04 CDL install questions

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awatkins

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kennith said:
I cleaned what was left of the foam gasket off entirely, using Googone, and when I wash it with spirits, I'll sand it down a bit and prime and paint the whole thing. I bought a can each of the Rustoleum industrial flat gray primer and flat black topcoat for this purpose.

I also picked up a roll of the rubberized gasket material with cork in it, of approximately the same thickness as the crushed foam gasket, perhaps a bit thicker. I'll cut a matching gasket out of this stuff and apply it to the the new plate with high temp black silicone tomorrow.

I think you're wasting a lot of effort on the gasket. The original "gasket" is really very close to being a length of foam weatherstrip which you can buy at lowes. I just ran a strip all the way around and overlapped it a little where the ends met. Also, the plate is very flexible so a gasket material that is relatively rigid and thin is not appropriate. You want a thick soft gasket that can fill gaps.

Also, you didn't ask this question but in putting the plate back on consider doing so with sheet metal screws instead of rivets. It also works just fine to put the plate back on on top rather than underneath. Makes future work a lot easier.

Also regarding the bracket mounting "bolts" next to the CDL nipple, my recollection is that there are two studs there so all you supply are two 8mm nuts. Am I wrong?

Finally, I wrote quite a long posting of tips right after I did this exact same thing a few months ago, so you might want to search for that.
 
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kennith

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awatkins said:
I think you're wasting a lot of effort on the gasket. The original "gasket" is really very close to being a length of foam weatherstrip which you can buy at lowes. I just ran a strip all the way around and overlapped it a little where the ends met. Also, the plate is very flexible so a gasket material that is relatively rigid and thin is not appropriate. You want a thick soft gasket that can fill gaps.

Also, you didn't ask this question but in putting the plate back on consider doing so with sheet metal screws instead of rivets. It also works just fine to put the plate back on on top rather than underneath. Makes future work a lot easier.

Also regarding the bracket mounting "bolts" next to the CDL nipple, my recollection is that there are two studs there so all you supply are two 8mm nuts. Am I wrong?

Finally, I wrote quite a long posting of tips right after I did this exact same thing a few months ago, so you might want to search for that.

Yeah, I am considering the benefits and drawbacks of putting it in on top rather than underneath. I may do that. I thought about it the other day, but haven't really considered it much since then. I like the rivets better than the screws, though, even if I have to drill them out. If I ever change the hardware, I'll weld some nuts on the back side for easy access.

I had also considered that gasket, and whether the material would work properly, considering the relative flexibility of the metal plate. I think it will do fine, given the high number of rivets securing it, but I'll look more carefully before I actually install it, and I have a softer, thicker gasket material just in case. I'd love for the rubberized cork to work.

I've since cleaned the painted surface, and applied Dynamat over the top section, leaving the area around the gasket free of it. I also taped off the mating surfaces underneath and sprayed a layer of undercoating on it.

Tap that puppy with a screwdriver now and it sounds like you are hitting wood.:D

I'll be doing the rest of the tunnel sheet metal shortly, covering it with Dynamat Xtreme and Extremeliner. This area is a HUGE source of heat and noise in a Disco, and I mean to minimize it. If I can find the time, I'll pull the front seats and carpet and do the whole front end. I'm sick of the A/C sucking so bad in the Disco, while it's trying to fight all that heat. This will help a lot, and with a layer of Xtreme everywhere, plus a layer of Extremeliner over the firewall and floor, I'll be doing away with quite a bit of it. I can't do the back just yet, but I will, oh, I will. I've still got to put some brackets back there, and it may require welding.

As for the issue of opening it up and having a problem, I did not manage to avoid it. I need the hardware for the range selection cable, or the entire cable assembly. Nobody seems to have it. I'm going to call another company today that deals in used parts and see what I can find. This is what happens when you move several times after doing a job on your car that you should keep the hardware for. I knew I didn't have it, I don't know why I thought I might have left it on the cable. That would make sense.

You can never have enough labeled, portable, and lockable hardware cabinets! Next time I move, I'm not losing any of this stuff.

I know, I know, I could rig it. I'm NOT doing that, under any circumstances whatsoever. I'm not going through all this careful work just to rig something that's really the whole point of the job.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

kennith

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flyfisher11 said:
Kennith,

You have two options for the N lockout solenoid (Rave calls it interlock solenoid). You can either remove it completely or remove it, grind off the tip and reinstall it. I would just remove it completely. There is a raised cap with IIRC 4 bolts. Just unplug the solenoid, remove the cap, remove the solenoid, put some gasket sealant back on the cover and reinstall it. No special anything required.

Cheers,

Mike

I've got some high temp silicone left. I'll see about doing that. I wouldn't like to run into this issue. I absolutely HATE being stuck in low range. What a day-killer. All that sweat on the trail, and while everyone else is singing by the campfire, I'm over there under the truck, being burned by the cats. MY DI linkage was missing a few critical parts, and the ones it did have were strangely out of spec. I thought it would be OK... It wasn't. I lived with it for a long time, and it was finicky, but it worked. When the 04 linkage came out, I decided I'd buy one when I had the cash. So rather than getting in there and really messing with it, I ordered an 04 linkage from EE. The problem is, if you have installed a DI linkage before, you have lots of hardware to locate again. And after moving a few times in a bit of a rush, you aren't going to be able to locate it.:rofl:

Cheers,

Kennith
 

kennith

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I figured it out. The cast extension faces the front of the truck, not the back.

High range is indicated on the lever by two holes in the base that line up with each other, if this is the same as the 01 shifter, which I expect it is. So, I rotated it so that in this position, the lever is tilted toward the seats, not the dashboard.

Low range on the transfer case, is turning the nipple clockwise. When the cable bracket is installed as in the pictures I've seen, this means the cable must be pushed by the lever in order to cause a clockwise rotation of the nipple.

Since the shift knob is labeled, I know that locking the differential is accomplished by moving the lever to the left. With the aluminum extension facing the front of the vehicle, moving the lever to the left pushes the cable, and thus will cause a clockwise rotation of the CDL nipple, and thus lock the center differential.

Therefore, it must face forward, not backward, as I and others thought.

It seems bloody simple when written like this, but as dyslexic as I am, it drove me nuts figuring it out. I'd play with the lever, note some things, and look over at the transfer case, and get mixed up along the way. I'll have to go over this post again tomorrow to make sure I'm not thinking about it backwards.

I know it's easy, and I've got the brain for it, I just get things backwards all the time. And as this is dragging on while I search for the hardware I need, I want to make sure I don't forget. If I write a note anywhere else, I'll lose it. I don't see myself losing Dweb anytime soon.:rofl:

Cheers,

Kennith
 

kennith

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Panzer, I wish I'd have had that picture sooner.:rofl:

For most people, it's not an issue, they are directly replacing the factory unit. I replaced this thing so long ago, though, I couldn't remember how any of it should be oriented. Cables can be tricky like that, there isn't just one way.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

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kennith said:
Panzer, I wish I'd have had that picture sooner.:rofl:

For most people, it's not an issue, they are directly replacing the factory unit. I replaced this thing so long ago, though, I couldn't remember how any of it should be oriented. Cables can be tricky like that, there isn't just one way.

Cheers,

Kennith

Sorry dude, I did actually register a long time ago, how ever I spend a lot of time on so many other forums it was difficult to squeeze in another, looks like im commited now ;)

"if" you need it, I did a full write up on my webpage REF the 04 linkage install .
 

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kennith said:
I replaced this thing so long ago, though, I couldn't remember how any of it should be oriented. Cables can be tricky like that, there isn't just one way.

man, you should have just called me. You gotta use the support available to you.
I didn't catch this thread until I saw the urban username.

oh, the card, I went with some NVIDIA Quadro something card. It works very well with the dual monitor setup.
 

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well I can tell by your reply you have an issue with them, You say "several", which ones exactly, as most of them are of my car, one from a member of another forum (with permission) and the rest were googled.

So which ones ?

I don't make a habit of "stealing" pictures, the write up is there to help others, not for my benefit.........I have done it.......and as you can see I take a lot of photos for everything I do
 

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Nice to meet you as well.....please goes a long way these days as well...........

As I said, I "googled" for images, I had no idea you or anyone else had anything to do with expedition exchange until I just worked it out, and if I had known "who's" they were, I would have asked the same as I did for the other guys picture........who I believe is also a member here.

I will remove your pictures no problem, and myself from the "freindly" forum.......
 
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Ho

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Urban Panzer said:
Nice to meet you as well.....please goes a long way these days as well...........

As I said, I "googled" for images, I had no idea you or anyone else had anything to do with expedition exchange until I just worked it out, and if I had known "who's" they were, I would have asked the same as I did for the other guys picture........who I believe is also a member here.

I will remove your pictures no problem, and myself from the "freindly" forum.......


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