2020 Defender
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Diesel will do that. That's how I feel about the wife's Evoque with the 2.2 diesel we have in the UK. We average something like 23 mph for our usage and are mid 30s on the mpg.
My D90 with a 300 Tdi and an auxiliary 10 gallon fuel tank gives me a range of over 400 miles. Toss a five gallon Jerry can on the roof rack and I can go 500 miles between fuel stops. Yes diesel will definitely spoil you - and stick in low range, second gear and just sit back and steer while the engine just putts along along at 1500 rpm - pure bliss on a trail ride.
I think it's the DEF. It can be such a pain in the ass. Some trucks go thru a ton of it, some do ok. The DEF injector gets shitted up and stores def quality faults. City driving is bad for them, it clogs up the particulate filter. You can clear them out with a forced regeneration and monitor the soot levels dropping. I think people who do a lot of open road driving at 70 plus mph do the best, that seems to be the ideal.
I think at least half of the diesels sold in LA were bought back under lemon law. They just aren’t suited for city (or slow speed off road) driving for extended periods
I never had a problem with over 36,000 miles on my D5 diesel but I had a pretty good mix of city and highway driving. Several long trips to upstate New York, Florida and regular runs to North Georgia. It was about a 3000 mile round trip every time we drove to New York. The D5 would go through a 2.5 gallon jug of DEF in about 5000 miles
Enthusiasts of the brand wanted the Grenadier. A successor designed as such seemed absolutely obvious to many. Instead, they were given a Discovery 5.5 with Defender-esc styling gimmicks. It uses many of the same suspension components and geometry as a D5, isn't relatively (for 2020) simple, isn't easy to repair, doesn't have an interesting design, doesn't appeal to utility use, offers no real soft-top, is difficult to modify, and the wheel sizes are misplaced for what is supposed to be among the world's most utilitarian vehicular offerings. It's a massive fucking fail, and a decent LR5, if that's your thing. Defender was the last ember of hope for brand enthusiasts. They look to the 2021 Wrangler, Bronco, 70-series (5-star ANCAP), Jimny, etc as proof that JLR is just lame.
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100% how I feel. JLR seriously let me down, but they’ve been doing that for years. Really, they’ve been diluting the brand since the release of the Range Rover Sport and the Defender is just the long term result.
All car companies seem to be diluting their brands. Remember when BMW had the simple 3, 5, and 7 series? Plus a specialty car like the 8 Series or M1 or whatever. My wife is in the market for a new car or SUV and we started looking at BMWs and we both finally said FUCK IT after trying to discern the difference between the 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 series in car and station wagon and SUV form. I understand that they are trying to sell a car to absolutely everyone but talk about muddying the waters. Here's BMW's current "offerings".....I mean....what the serious fuck?
2021 BMW Model List & Pricing
Sports Activity Vehicles
BMW X1
BMW 3 Series Sedan
BMW 2 Series Coupe
BMW 2 Series Convertible
2021 BMW Model List & Pricing
Sports Activity Vehicles
BMW X1
- BMW X1 xDrive28i (Starts at $37,400)
- BMW X1 sDrive28i (Starts at $35,400)
- BMW X2 xDrive28i (Starts at $38,600)
- BMW X2 M35i (Starts at $46,450)
- BMW X2 sDrive28i (Starts at $36,600)
- BMW X3 xDrive30e (Starts at $49,600)
- BMW X3 xDrive30i (Starts at $45,000)
- BMW X3 M40i (Starts at $56,600)
- BMW X3 sDrive30i (Starts at $43,000)
- BMW X3 M (Starts at $69,900)
- BMW X4 xDrive30i (Starts at $51,600)
- BMW X4 M40i (Starts at $61,700)
- BMW X4 M (Starts at $73,400)
- BMW X5 xDrive40i (Starts at $61,700)
- BMW X5 M50i (Starts at $82,800)
- BMW X5 xDrive45e (Starts at $65,400)
- BMW X5 sDrive40i (Starts at $59,400)
- BMW X5 M (Starts at $105,100)
- BMW X6 xDrive40i (Starts at $67,350)
- BMW X6 M50i (Starts at $86,250)
- BMW X6 sDrive40i (Starts at $65,050)
- BMW X6 M (Starts at $108,600)
- BMW X7 xDrive40i (Starts at $74,900)
- BMW X7 M50i (Starts at $99,800)
- ALPINA XB7 (Starts at $141,300)
- BMW Z4 sDrive30i (Starts at $49,700)
- BMW Z4 M40i (Starts at $63,700)
BMW 3 Series Sedan
- BMW 330i xDrive Sedan (Starts at $43,250)
- BMW M340i xDrive Sedan (Starts at $56,700)
- BMW 330e xDrive Sedan (Starts at $46,550)
- BMW 330i Sedan (Starts at $41,250)
- BMW M340i Sedan (Starts at $54,700)
- BMW 330e Sedan (Starts at $44,550)
- BMW 530i xDrive Sedan (Starts at $56,500)
- BMW 530e xDrive Sedan (Starts at $59,500)
- BMW 540i xDrive Sedan (Starts at $61,750)
- BMW M550i xDrive Sedan (Starts at $76,800)
- BMW 530i Sedan (Starts at $54,200)
- BMW 530e Sedan (Starts at $57,200)
- BMW 540i Sedan (Starts at $59,450)
- BMW 740i xDrive Sedan (Starts at $89,800)
- BMW 745e xDrive (Starts at $95,900)
- BMW 750i xDrive Sedan (Starts at $103,000)
- BMW M760i xDrive Sedan (Starts at $157,800)
- ALPINA B7 xDrive (Starts at $143,200)
- BMW 740i Sedan (Starts at $86,800)
- BMW BMW i3 (Starts at $44,450)
- BMW BMW i3s (Starts at $47,650)
- BMW BMW i3 with Range Extender (Starts at $48,300)
- BMW BMW i3s with Range Extender (Starts at $51,500)
- BMW M2 Competition Coupe (Starts at $58,900)
- BMW M2 CS (Starts at $83,600)
- BMW M3 Coupe (Starts at $69,900)
- BMW M3 Competition Coupe (Starts at $72,800)
- BMW M4 Coupe (Starts at $71,800)
- BMW M4 Competition Coupe (Starts at $74,700)
- BMW M4 Convertible (Starts at $77,650)
BMW M5 Sedan (Starts at $103,500)- BMW M8 Coupe (Starts at $133,000)
- BMW M8 Competition Coupe (Starts at $146,000)
- BMW M8 Gran Coupe (Starts at $130,000)
- BMW M8 Convertible (Starts at $142,500)
- BMW M8 Competition Convertible (Starts at $155,500)
BMW 2 Series Coupe
- BMW 230i xDrive Coupe (Starts at $37,900)
- BMW M240i xDrive Coupe (Starts at $48,350)
- BMW 230i Coupe (Starts at $35,900)
- BMW M240i Coupe (Starts at $46,350)
- BMW 228i xDrive Gran Coupe (Starts at $37,700)
- BMW M235i xDrive Gran Coupe (Starts at $45,500)
- BMW 430i xDrive Coupe (Starts at $47,600)
- BMW M440i xDrive Coupe (Starts at $58,500)
- BMW 430i Coupe (Starts at $45,600)
- BMW 840i xDrive Coupe (Starts at $90,900)
- BMW M850i xDrive Coupe (Starts at $111,900)
- BMW 840i Coupe (Starts at $88,000)
- BMW 840i xDrive Gran Coupe (Starts at $87,900)
- BMW M850i xDrive Gran Coupe (Starts at $108,900)
- BMW 840i Gran Coupe (Starts at $85,000)
BMW 2 Series Convertible
- BMW 230i xDrive Convertible (Starts at $43,100)
- BMW M240i xDrive Convertible (Starts at $52,400)
- BMW 230i Convertible (Starts at $41,100)
- BMW M240i Convertible (Starts at $50,400)
- BMW 430i xDrive Convertible (Starts at $53,100)
- BMW 440i xDrive Convertible (Starts at $64,000)
- BMW 430i Convertible (Starts at $53,100)
- BMW 440i Convertible (Starts at $64,000)
- BMW 840i xDrive Convertible (Starts at $100,300)
- BMW M850i xDrive Convertible (Starts at $121,400)
- BMW 840i Convertible (Starts at $97,400)
There always have been some that will not accept model changes however over the years feel the Range Rover has evolved nicely from the early Classic.
Don’t think I could say the same for the Defender.
Lol, 26 years later and still nobody wants a P38 Stew. Early solid axle LRs have shot up in value. I'll be surprised if the Freelander and newer vehicles ever become valued.
I’m just saying it sounds the same. I’m pretty sure nobody cares at Rover.
i like my P38.
found myself searching online for another one the other day.
they don't seem to have the overheating issues the D2s have and while some have issues with the EAS it's actually a pretty simple system to trouble shoot and fix as needed.
i did buy mine off a DiscoWeb member who had done some good work on it, so that may explain the lack of issues i've had.
The idea to use composite rear radius arms to improve live-axle NVH was neat. Unfortunately, they never seem to have all components working properly at the same time, and the design was about as domesticated as it gets. Been tempted by a few Rhinos, but quickly snapped out of the trance.
Hum. After 26 years and a “road” trip to Europe for 5 years still presentable here in PA.
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