2020 Defender

LRflip

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This is like watching all those celebrities that said they were going to move to Canada if Trump got elected.

I wonder how many of you guys (or your wives) are going to end up with one of these.

Surely there are going to be many instagram wannabe overlanders getting after it.

#best4x4xfar
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mgreenspan

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They’ve tested it at locations I can confidently drive my 12 year old Lexus GX with General Grabber HTS tires.

They had a chance to make a modern Defender the same as Jeep has a modern Wrangler. They failed(will fail) because of the attitudes of the Gerry McGoverns that work at the company. Well known for the grand slam success of the Freelander 1 and Range Rover Evoque. He has slowly morphed every vehicle the company has into the same thing. This was the last holdout and they’ve done it again by letting him influence or adopting the idea that blandness sells vehicles.

The interior, features and options, road driving experience, and quality will be great. There won’t be any real reason to buy this over any other vehicle besides a side opening back door and less of a steep rake on the window line.

I want a new car for myself and for my wife. I thought this might have a chance, but it is turning out to be a massive disappointment. I should be annoyed, angry, or sad but I don’t have any fucks to give about the new stuff the brand has been putting out there. The only one that still looks Roveresque is the RRS. I’d rather have an F-Pace over that.

One could simply replace the LR badge on the latest teaser image with a Kia badge and no one would question it being a Kia. Even when they unveil it with an awkward white colored roof.
 
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London (CNN Business) Jaguar Land Rover will build the next generation of its Defender in Slovakia, adding to worries over the future of the British car industry.

The automaker, which owned by India's Tata Motors (TTM), confirmed this week that production of the iconic Defender will resume at a plant in Slovakia that opened in October 2018. The previous version of the boxy SUV was made in England until 2016.

The production shift is the latest in a series of developments that have shaken the foundations of UK carmaking, some of them related to uncertainty about supply chains and access to European markets after Brexit.

Nissan is moving more car production out of the UK

Nissan is moving more car production out of the UK


Honda (HMC) announced in February that it would close its only plant in the Britain after three decades, wiping out 3,500 jobs and putting thousands more at risk. Nissan (NSANF) has scrapped plans to build its new X-Trail SUV in England, and relocated production of two luxury models out of Britain.

Jaguar Land Rover, the largest carmaker in the United Kingdom, had already announced plans in January to reduce its global workforce by 4,500. That's in addition to 1,500 people who left the company last year. German auto parts supplier Schaeffler (SCFLF) is closing two plants in Britain.

The new version of the Defender will be built in Slovakia.


The new version of the Defender will be built in Slovakia.


Global automakers are struggling to adapt to regulatory and technological changes that require huge new investments. But carmakers with operations in the United Kingdom have faced the additional challenge of three years of uncertainty over Brexit, an event that — should it ever happen — threatens to disrupt the supply chains and trading rules on which they depend.

Investment in the car industry halved in 2018, according to the UK Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders. According to data published this week by the industry group, UK car production declined by more than 14% in March, the 10th consecutive monthly decline.
Previous versions of the Defender, pictured here, were known for their boxy styling.


Previous versions of the Defender, pictured here, were known for their boxy styling.

Mike Hawes, CEO of the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, said that moving the Brexit deadline to the end of October had created a "new period of limbo" that would halt investment and cause expensive factory shutdowns.

The industry had been on track to produce 2 million cars a year by 2020, but that target is now "impossible" because Britain's reputation as stable and attractive business environment has been undermined by Brexit, Hawes added.

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Article Link: https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/01/business/jaguar-land-rover-defender/index.html
 

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This is like watching all those celebrities that said they were going to move to Canada if Trump got elected.

I wonder how many of you guys (or your wives) are going to end up with one of these.

Surely there are going to be many instagram wannabe overlanders getting after it.

Oh, it will sell. If you are a baller athlete, you get your wife a Range Rover, this one is for the side chick.
 

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well we can only hope that there are enough posers out ther who just HAVE to have one......on the odd chance that there will be some nice used real Defenders out there for sale at a reasonable price...........and then I woke up
 

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lol...........everything ( defender)I see anywhere near me is $35000 ish.............still too rich for my blood
Yeah of the 52 Defenders on cars.com quite a few were 100k or over. Anyway, if I didn't have a kid in college and were happier with my job I'd go offer that guy 15k in $100 bills.

That said looking at the Defenders on cars I don't understand why Land Rover thought it needed a do over. Modernize the thing and release it. Maybe they thought they couldn't compete that closely with the Wrangler. IDK, a well equipped Wrangler is right at 50k. Or maybe they didn't think there were enough options in the luxury SUV market.
 

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Well, the Discovery 5 and new Defender are back on the list of potential purchases.

The 2019 Ram may well be neutered by that twelve inch screen required to get bucket seats and a center console, which can't just be dropped in after, as some of the controls are buried in the screen. It can't be removed, as many other settings for the vehicle are there, as well.

The Tacoma and 4Runner are dog shit, and they've pissed me off so bad I'm not interested in a Land Cruiser (the 200 is an excuse-mobile, anyway). Mercedes broke the G... Essentially, there are no good off-pavement vehicles available today, and everyone has forgotten how to build a sport utility vehicle. Subaru is now dropping the H6 engine I liked, as well.

You can say Jeep all you want, but they drive like shit. Every wheelbase they've ever chosen has been wrong.

So, if it's a choice of shit sandwiches, I may as well consider the Rover option. I don't want a Prospector if I have to have that stupid screen that looks like a tablet was JB welded to the center stack. It genuinely defeats the entire vehicle.

Interestingly, the new Navigator is holding it's own in the list. It has potential as an off-pavement vehicle, as they didn't over-complicate anything mechanical.

Cheers,

Kennith
 
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XCELLER8

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Well, the Discovery 5 and new Defender are back on the list of potential purchases.

The 2019 Ram may well be neutered by that twelve inch screen required to get bucket seats and a center console, which can't just be dropped in after, as some of the controls are buried in the screen. It can't be removed, as many other settings for the vehicle are there, as well.

The Tacoma and 4Runner are dog shit, and they've pissed me off so bad I'm not interested in a Land Cruiser (the 200 is an excuse-mobile, anyway). Mercedes broke the G... Essentially, there are no good off-pavement vehicles available today, and everyone has forgotten how to build a sport utility vehicle. Subaru is now dropping the H6 engine I liked, as well.

You can say Jeep all you want, but they drive like shit. Every wheelbase they've ever chosen has been wrong.

So, if it's a choice of shit sandwiches, I may as well consider the Rover option. I don't want a Prospector if I have to have that stupid screen that looks like a tablet was JB welded to the center stack. It genuinely defeats the entire vehicle.

Interestingly, the new Navigator is holding it's own in the list. It has potential as an off-pavement vehicle, as they didn't over-complicate anything mechanical.

Cheers,

Kennith
you could always wait for the new Broncco.....and see how they'll botch that......
 

kennith

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you could always wait for the new Broncco.....and see how they'll botch that......

I don't actually think they will unless they use a transmission with more than six gears, but I've no idea what sort of size we're talking about. It may well be an excellent off pavement vehicle, but that body matters. If they don't manage available space well inside, keep visibility high, and make sure openings are wide, it could end up being very frustrating in actual use.

Ford doesn't manufacture technology at the level required to fuck it up too bad, so I think it'll be one of the better vehicles.

I suspect Land Rover has been struggling with some of that in regard to the defender. It's not so easy to make that small box so big on the inside these days, and it may be due to some regulation of which I'm not aware, but visibility is increasingly compromised by styling. I don't like having to rely on cameras when I'm fucking surrounded by windows. Makes me feel like I'm in a bath tub, and it's just plain dangerous and inconvenient.

Even now I believe that should have been a joint project between Land Rover and Ford. Everyone would have won.

Cheers,

Kennith
 
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XCELLER8

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I don't actually think they will unless they use a transmission with more than six gears, but I've no idea what sort of size we're talking about. It may well be an excellent off pavement vehicle, but that body matters. If they don't manage available space well inside, keep visibility high, and make sure openings are wide, it could end up being very frustrating in actual use.

Ford doesn't manufacture technology at the level required to fuck it up too bad, so I think it'll be one of the better vehicles.

I suspect Land Rover has been struggling with some of that in regard to the defender. It's not so easy to make that small box so big on the inside these days, and it may be due to some regulation of which I'm not aware, but visibility is increasingly compromised by styling. I don't like having to rely on cameras when I'm fucking surrounded by windows. Makes me feel like I'm in a bath tub, and it's just plain dangerous and inconvenient.

Even now I believe that should have been a joint project between Land Rover and Ford. Everyone would have won.

Cheers,

Kennith
might as well be a joint project >>>>>>>>>>> all the Ford stylists aparrently moonlight at Rover.....the new discoverys look way too much like explorers and the Flex ......looks a lot like a RR at a distance...lol, and hey..the original Broncco was more like a Rover than anything else