I was just told that the first 90's will be set up as the First Addition. I haven't had time to look at what equipment is on the first addition trucks. If it's like other First Edition trucks it will have a bunch of popular options on it that would equal a pretty good deal for the truck you get. But not stripped down enough for me to buy one. I think the # they threw out was 60 for the first edition 90,
2020 Defender
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They have no shortage of people spending 60 for Discovery sports.I’m sure you’ll have a line out the door at 60
I don't have any aesthetic issues with it. The rear lights are a little strong, but I can get over that. The only concern I have about the permanent window stickers is whether or not it's a dramatic decrease in visibility. Then again, I LOVE those fucking saddle bags. Damn that's a nice feature right out of the factory. So, I'd end up covering the windows on that vehicle, anyway, because there's no way I'd buy it without that option package.
I find the options a bit baffling at the moment, but that's just a matter of the site being reorganized. I think it makes sense on paper; it's just not on paper...
One thing I find interesting is the ability to get "satin paint" without the drawbacks. They're just wrapping the normal paint in satin film. Job done. Your paint is protected, it may look cooler to you, and it can be replaced or removed at any time. Why the fuck don't the rest of them do it that way? No need for a fifteen thousand dollar paint option that's fucked the second a drop of sap hits it on a hot day when wraps are so common now.
The interior looks convenient and full of storage, and they're including a lot of the stuff you'd normally have to go upmarket for in the base models. Then again, that's increased the price of the base models.
From the perspective of inflation, the price is pretty close to what it was here before. I think it should have been cost cut a bit, but then again I haven't fully explored the options. I'm going to need a brochure for this thing, but it looks like a lot of choices are available.
Remember as well that the original Defender didn't come with front and rear lockers, any manner of traction aids, and no wizardry. This is objectively a vehicle with better traction characteristics out of the box. They can keep the old angles. If this stuff holds up, it doesn't need them to do what a Defender is actually meant to do; and that's function efficiently in the middle of nowhere doing work.
The Defender was never intended to be a toy. I don't care about rock-hopping angles or 40" tires so long as it does it's actual job properly.
The one decision that strikes me as very, very odd is keeping that tiny rear door. I'd have kitted it out like an LR3 and ensured plywood would actually lay flat in there. I honestly don't get the tiny door thing on a vehicle that's obviously one of the most rigid they've ever developed.
Cheers,
Kennith
I find the options a bit baffling at the moment, but that's just a matter of the site being reorganized. I think it makes sense on paper; it's just not on paper...
One thing I find interesting is the ability to get "satin paint" without the drawbacks. They're just wrapping the normal paint in satin film. Job done. Your paint is protected, it may look cooler to you, and it can be replaced or removed at any time. Why the fuck don't the rest of them do it that way? No need for a fifteen thousand dollar paint option that's fucked the second a drop of sap hits it on a hot day when wraps are so common now.
The interior looks convenient and full of storage, and they're including a lot of the stuff you'd normally have to go upmarket for in the base models. Then again, that's increased the price of the base models.
From the perspective of inflation, the price is pretty close to what it was here before. I think it should have been cost cut a bit, but then again I haven't fully explored the options. I'm going to need a brochure for this thing, but it looks like a lot of choices are available.
Remember as well that the original Defender didn't come with front and rear lockers, any manner of traction aids, and no wizardry. This is objectively a vehicle with better traction characteristics out of the box. They can keep the old angles. If this stuff holds up, it doesn't need them to do what a Defender is actually meant to do; and that's function efficiently in the middle of nowhere doing work.
The Defender was never intended to be a toy. I don't care about rock-hopping angles or 40" tires so long as it does it's actual job properly.
The one decision that strikes me as very, very odd is keeping that tiny rear door. I'd have kitted it out like an LR3 and ensured plywood would actually lay flat in there. I honestly don't get the tiny door thing on a vehicle that's obviously one of the most rigid they've ever developed.
Cheers,
Kennith
C&D's take:
www.caranddriver.com
C/D Joins Designers for a Walkaround of 2020 Land Rover Defender
The new SUV's designers tell us how they respected the traditional silhouette while making it "click" for the modern era.
C&D's take:
C/D Joins Designers for a Walkaround of 2020 Land Rover Defender
The new SUV's designers tell us how they respected the traditional silhouette while making it "click" for the modern era.
Oh. The body colored square on the rear windows is an option, according to that article. It comes with the 110, but can be deleted, and must be specified on the 90. That's what Car and Driver just said, anyway. That seems a bit complicated, but maybe they're not permanently attached.
Cheers,
Kennith
Quick-access side storage is great, as long as you don't use it in forested areas.
The wrapped ones are going to be great for the used market. No UV or abrasive wear to the paint, even years down the road.
It was though, at least partially. The leisure market emerged before and continued through Defender development.
The angles still matter. All the traction in the world wont get you through deep ruts, holes, small steep hills, etc if you're dragging, at least without damage.
LOL. I had to google white claw, and this was the first thing that came up: https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/l...y-reportedly-buys-7-500-worth-of-14435024.php
That’s great. Probably the ugliest damn part of the whole vehicle for me
Exactly. However, the very first laptops crashed and burned if not placed properly in an overhead airplane compartment. Maybe the electronics now are robust like most other stuff.
It just seems the skill of off roading is being dumbed down even more so with this one. Turn this knob, look at a display fed by a camera, and enjoy the ride with no driver input needed.
Or not go off road at all and look how cool we are cruising around town.
New Defender continues the tradition of sharing the nearly same drivetrain and suspension as the Discovery. We just hoped it wouldn't this time..
https://jalopnik.com/what-i-found-when-i-crawled-under-the-2020-land-rover-d-1838080009
https://jalopnik.com/what-i-found-when-i-crawled-under-the-2020-land-rover-d-1838080009
I've driven through hundreds of miles of stuff in a front wheel drive sedan that many people call extreme trails requiring a lifted vehicle.
So, I disagree nearly entirely. Skill is required, and attentiveness, but not as much as you'd think.
Grab a cheap car, or a car you're very familiar with, and take it on a trail. I've wheeled my XJS convertible, from rocks, to beaches, to plenty of water, snow, and even mud; it'll ford a solid foot with no mods if you're careful. I'm about to sell a Mercedes S500 with more off pavement miles than most Rovers here, and it's in almost mint condition.
Approach angles are weighted too much. Breakover angle is equally important, and functions in concert. A vehicle is a system of interrelated physical aspects that interact with terrain; they are all related to one another. Traction is enough for most terrain, and even terrain that most would think impossible.
I have zero concerns with the new Defender's off-pavement capability. Not a single worry. All my concerns are related to other aspects of the design.
Cheers,
Kennith
Look at it this way. WE beta tested all of Land Rovers electronics and suspension over the past twenty five years.
As a manufacturer, they have more experience with this crap than any other on the planet; and an eye on people that use them hard and break them.
It seems every time something new comes out, people that buy it end up favoring it heavily.
I'd prefer things to be simple, but since that's impossible nowadays if you want to actually legally sell a car (or sell one at all), I'd rather have Land Rover building the bits than anyone else.
Push-button start pisses me off far more than any kind of fancy traction control system. It's also important to remember that it's not all ARB and Detroit out there. Companies exist that make aftermarket differentials and things for more advanced vehicles that are actually stupid simple. They're just expensive.
Something tells me Quaife, at the very least, will be attacking this vehicle with some diffs; and if they do, they might be able to bleed over to the D5. There's no way they won't if the Defender is even halfway successful. They're just as associated with the old vehicle in performance trim as rivets and alpine windows are. It'll probably end up three grand per pumpkin, but whatever. They'll figure something out, and they're not the only fancy game in town.
Cheers,
Kennith
I’m sure you’ll have a line out the door at 60
I think it might be tough to get one of these in the first model year if your name isn't already on a list somewhere.
It turned out looking much better than most thought it would; certainly marketable to all financially equipped demographics.
The design is a bit of an achievement, actually. That was not an easy job.
Cheers,
Kennith
You know what? I fucking like it; at least from a design and packaging perspective.
That interior is very nice. It looks incredibly useful with tons of storage and places to mount things cleanly, and any co-drivers I have would really enjoy the various potential grab handles. That's certainly something missing in the NAS DII, and I've never got around to adding one.
Capability will be more than sufficient, obviously. I've no idea about reliability, but it's probably going to be better than everything in their stable that's even a minute older, for what it's worth. It will be interesting to see how it holds up.
A remaining question is how much stuff that annoys me personally will be present. It looks like a lot of that shit is optional, so maybe... Just maybe Land Rover has built something I might actually want to buy. They seem to have left room for a steel bumper up there. Those body gaps aren't halfway up the fenders on this one; but they're high enough to get away with some decent protection and good winch access and visibility.
This is one I really want to test drive; and the salesman will be very glad it's got those handles when I do. It'll be a good time to take the D5 for a spin, as well. I'm thinking, for me, the 110 or 130 may be the best wheelbase choices depending on overall packaging. I think the wheelbases are the same, but I don't feel like scrolling up at the moment.
Cheers,
Kennith
That interior is very nice. It looks incredibly useful with tons of storage and places to mount things cleanly, and any co-drivers I have would really enjoy the various potential grab handles. That's certainly something missing in the NAS DII, and I've never got around to adding one.
Capability will be more than sufficient, obviously. I've no idea about reliability, but it's probably going to be better than everything in their stable that's even a minute older, for what it's worth. It will be interesting to see how it holds up.
A remaining question is how much stuff that annoys me personally will be present. It looks like a lot of that shit is optional, so maybe... Just maybe Land Rover has built something I might actually want to buy. They seem to have left room for a steel bumper up there. Those body gaps aren't halfway up the fenders on this one; but they're high enough to get away with some decent protection and good winch access and visibility.
This is one I really want to test drive; and the salesman will be very glad it's got those handles when I do. It'll be a good time to take the D5 for a spin, as well. I'm thinking, for me, the 110 or 130 may be the best wheelbase choices depending on overall packaging. I think the wheelbases are the same, but I don't feel like scrolling up at the moment.
Cheers,
Kennith
Not just that. There are straight lines to put one up there without having to make it look silly as hell. I foresee lots of large skid plates at the front, though.
Aftermarket bumpers will be very challenging on this. I believe there are auxiliary coolers up front that will need air flow, to say nothing of the various collision/blind spot sensors that aren’t going to function with a sheet of steel suddenly placed in front of them.