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SCSL

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If so, that's an expensive hobby.

One of these days I'll pick up a 130, but I'll be finding one overseas somewhere.

Cheers,

Kennith
I have a buddy selling a 130. Let me know if you want me to connect you with him.
 

luckyjoe

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To me it's not just about loss of value. Look, if one's idea of off-road is a desert trail, or a gravel lane, then more power to you. But that's not me, and then it becomes why would you want to do that to such a beautiful truck.

I completely understand. I have a Series 109 for off-road, but the RRC has much longer legs in the highway department, and obviously more comfort. I just have not been willing to subject my RRC's original paint to pinstriping and trail rash.

However, if I were to get a new defender, it woud basically be to use it up over the next 15+ years, so I wouldn't be at all concerned with resale.
 

jymmiejamz

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I guess that highlights the difference in people's idea of what "off-road" is. Here, the way I wheel, two things are going to happen. One is inevitable. Trying to negotiate an obstacle I'm going to run tree limbs down the side of my rig. That's going to happen every time I go out. We are going to end up on a little used trail that will have overhanging limbs in the way. The other is that sooner or later I'm going to whack something. That's why the best trail rig I've owned was an old CJ. Mechanically I had been over every inch of it but to look at it you'd think "kinda a POS". But when I slid down a slick hill and couldn't make the turn at the bottom, thus hitting a tree, it was just something that needed dealt with and not "OMFG".

I think it has more to do with driving style than anything. There are plenty of people who just can't accept that they are going to make it up a certain obstacle and are always bashing their trucks. Oddly that always seems to be guys in black d2 s with 35's... I've wheeled my D90 all over the country on all kinds of trails which has left it with plenty of pin stripes, dents, and dings. I don't think that is detrimental to its value as it will always be a NAS D90.
 

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I think it has more to do with driving style than anything. There are plenty of people who just can't accept that they are going to make it up a certain obstacle and are always bashing their trucks.

There are two types of trails that hold no interest for me. A trail that I know no matter what I do I won't make it, and a trail I know I will.

Look, all I'm saying is there are better choices than this for a trail rig. Personally I'm not taking this thing down anything worse than a muddy lane. If you'd choose to take it out and nick it up more power to you. That said, and just being frank, that reeks of more money than sense.
 

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bri

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The thing will do fine on trails either way. What happens with terrain response may be odd to us, but people have been enjoying those features on pickups and other SUVs since they aped Land Rover's technology. Electronic lockers are fine. I'd almost rather have one than an air locker, honestly.

If the vehicle will function without those systems, there's not really an issue; rather like a DII without traction control. It's a wonderful system when it works, but when it doesn't you're still not stuck on the side of the road, and it's still a monster in the right hands.

It's funny how Land Rover is constantly picked on, when they're the origin of so much crazy technology and styling. They're now leading trends from styling right down to performance. That's an interesting development.

For me, the Defender is going to come down to what layouts they offer eventually. I'm sure it will be fine for most of what I'd do with it, but it's got some competition with the Jeep Gladiator (so long as it doesn't drive like anything Jeep has now), the Ridgeline, and AEV stuff off the rack, for me. I'm still not sure what the hell I want.

Land Rover could be producing a good middle ground here, but may reveal something that's actually got the brawn to back up the brains. Looks like we're finally going to find out soon.

Cheers,

Kennith

New defender and gladiator don't seem to be competing. One is a truck and is about 33k USD and one is 50k USD. But it is amazing how much idiocy people dump into their jeeps.

A jeep has nylon webbing to limit the door, FFS. Its a poser POS. I won't even rent a Wrangler type. They lost my love when they dumped the inline 6.

I don't buy new vehicles so I'll likely be dead before I own a new defender.

I think it is pretty cool though, if it had access height, I might make the leap if I won the lottery.

EDIT: Oh crap it has access height. That's cool. I need a lottery ticket. Why 65k for 90 and 50k for 110?
 
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bri

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There are two types of trails that hold no interest for me. A trail that I know no matter what I do I won't make it, and a trail I know I will.

Look, all I'm saying is there are better choices than this for a trail rig. Personally I'm not taking this thing down anything worse than a muddy lane. If you'd choose to take it out and nick it up more power to you. That said, and just being frank, that reeks of more money than sense.

Mud is about the only thing that I purposefully avoid these days. ;-)
 
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bri

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Have you priced out a 110 on-line? You won't get into one for anything close to 50k.

It the way that they have them options. Looks like the 110 X has the most tricked out suspension stuff and to get it, you have to get a pile of goodies that come along with fro > 100K Yikes.
 

umbertob

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It the way that they have them options. Looks like the 110 X has the most tricked out suspension stuff and to get it, you have to get a pile of goodies that come along with fro > 100K Yikes.

You can build a 110 with EAS, 18" steel wheels, all the off-road goodies they offer currently - a front winch should be a factory option but doesn't appear to be available yet - and a few other basic packs (cold weather pack, rubber mats) for less than $55k. Example:


It's when you start picking leather everything, the bigger engine, electronic gizmos and fancy paints and wheels that things get expensive quickly.
 
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umbertob

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Emergency Braking may save a distracted driver's butt on a highway and my guess is that technology will eventually become commonplace on every vehicle, like ABS. I assume you will be able to turn off some of those gizmos, especially the ones of the potentially annoying variety like Lane Keep Assist, Traffic Sign Recognition and Adaptive Speed limiter. On the other hand, as gimmicky as they sound on paper, some new features such as those built into the 3D Surround camera (ClearSight, aka the "transparent hood" camera view) could actually turn out to be useful off road.
 
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mgreenspan

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Getting out of your vehicle and scouting the trail on foot is pretty cheap to add as an option.

My issue is I can’t add specific options, only expensive packages. VW and Jeep have good option packages. And Toyota seems to have them grouped nicely at least. LR, not so much.
 

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Rollercoaster Pack
Combines all the features of Off-road Pack, Advanced Off-road pack, and Driver Assist Pack. Sit back and enjoy your Defender without all the inconveniences of actually driving. Brought to you by "The Best 4x4 By Far. Because you're to stupid to do it."
 
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bri

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You can build a 110 with EAS, 18" steel wheels, all the off-road goodies they offer currently - a front winch should be a factory option but doesn't appear to be available yet - and a few other basic packs (cold weather pack, rubber mats) for less than $55k. Example:


It's when you start picking leather everything, the bigger engine, electronic gizmos and fancy paints and wheels that things get expensive quickly.

It was the Defender X that bumps the price to 80k.
 

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Emergency Braking may save a distracted driver's butt on a highway and my guess is that technology will eventually become commonplace on every vehicle, like ABS. I assume you will be able to turn off some of those gizmos, especially the ones of the potentially annoying variety like Lane Keep Assist, Traffic Sign Recognition and Adaptive Speed limiter. On the other hand, as gimmicky as they sound on paper, some new features such as those built into the 3D Surround camera (ClearSight, aka the "transparent hood" camera view) could actually turn out to be useful off road.
All well and good, yet, not as Standard Equipment which drives the price up.
If you “need” this crap to drive, fine - make it optional for those of us who actually do know how to drive and don’t want/need it. And more than likely fail after it is out of warranty. Just my opinion and nothing against your comment.
 
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