2020 Defender

[discostew]

If it was something Land Rover wanted to do, if they wanted to innovate, they could build it in. All kinds of cars have remote starts installed that will also lock/unlock the doors. If the FOB you hold in your hand can perform these functions, certainly a FOB(or equivalent) can be hardwired in the car, that receives signal from your smartphone and unlocks the vehicle. The people that build this crap for a living should be like "oh yeah, we can do that".

Yeah Brett, we have all that. With a cell phone. Almost nothing like unlock signals or start signals are a hard wired connection anymore. Not just Land Rover, most if not all new cars. The shit has to be built in at the software level. There's already plenty of antennas on the car. Just software and security stuff.
In my opinion there's only one person on this board probably capable of doing that if he had time. And it's not me. I could not, won't even try

 

[discostew]

I thought we just had to re engineer all this because the car needing an account with AT&T was a deal breaker.

 

[DiscoHasBeen]

I thought we just had to re engineer all this because the car needing an account with AT&T was a deal breaker.

I think most of the real convenience functions preformed via a smartphone, like proximity lock/unlock, start, etc would be better accomplished through Bluetooth. Besides the downloading of firmware updates, updates of on board navigation and such not sure a vehicle needs to be sim connected. Even then most phones are capable of being used as a hot spot and most have unlimited data plans so why tie a car to any carrier. The one reason I see for a cell connection is ride sharing. For the ability to provide access to the vehicle and then secure it after the rental is done.

 

[discostew]

If you want to start your car or lock it from a distance your going to need to have a SIM card. The car will either need to be acting as a cell phone or a wifi network. Blue tooth is on board also and used to stream video and audio.
Everything you guys are talking about is onboard. Almost nobody uses any of it accept the Bluetooth stuff.
Some people use the app and can tell if there car is sitting and not being worked on. Recently had a lady call me out because her car was at McDonalds. But that's the gas station we use. So I had someone putting gas in her car cause she's to stupid to keep gas in her car, but smart enough to watch us with her app.

 

[ERover82]

What regular key? Smart keys aren’t waterproof... there is the key that unlocks the drivers door, but it doesn’t disarm the alarm or start the vehicle. I don’t think you can lock the key in the car without another remote.

AFAIK every new car still has a key. Some are separate, some slide out of the fob. Attach it to your body or hide it somewhere and proceed with your activity.

 

[discostew]

I bet that new Bronco does not have a key like that. Probably a smart key system just like Land Rovers. Since they owned us and engineered most of these systems. That and all the FOMOCO stickers and stampings in a lot of the parts in these cars. This what your looking for?

 

[DiscoHasBeen]

How a manufacturer does it IDK. The Mobokey uses Bluetooth to connect with the phone and preform the lock /unlock /start /stop etc functions.

 

[discostew]

How a manufacturer does it IDK. The Mobokey uses Bluetooth to connect with the phone and preform the lock /unlock /start /stop etc functions.

Well. Like I said. That could get hooked up to a car from the 90's. But it would more than likely cause all kinds of problems. They could hook something like that up in the old days because when you hit the lock button a fat wire that goes to all the door lock actuators gets battery voltage. In a new car there is no such wire. Its all serriel data. The master window/lock/mirror switch on the drivers door has 3 wires. Battery, Ground, and a LIN bus. thats it. You press any one of those buttons and the command comes out of that module on one wire. A message on a serriel data line.

 

[DiscoHasBeen]

Well. Like I said. That could get hooked up to a car from the 90's. But it would more than likely cause all kinds of problems. They could hook something like that up in the old days because when you hit the lock button a fat wire that goes to all the door lock actuators gets battery voltage. In a new car there is no such wire. Its all serriel data. The master window/lock/mirror switch on the drivers door has 3 wires. Battery, Ground, and a LIN bus. thats it. You press any one of those buttons and the command comes out of that module on one wire. A message on a serriel data line.

You need to what more of that video I posted. He installed it in a 2004 Accura and the wiring was extensive.

 

[discostew]

A 16 year old car. So an old car.

 

[jymmiejamz]

AFAIK every new car still has a key. Some are separate, some slide out of the fob. Attach it to your body or hide it somewhere and proceed with your activity.
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I think there’s a miscommunication or misunderstanding here. Let’s take the scenario where you’re going to the beach to go swimming and not bringing a bag to leave your keys in. The smart key does in fact have a detachable key blade in it, but it only locks and unlocks the drivers door. Would you be leaving the smart key in the vehicle and locking the drivers door manually (assuming single point entry is enabled). The smart key isn’t waterproof, so you can’t take it swimming.If you lock it manually with the key blade the alarm won’t be armed and if someone broke into the car, they would be able to start it since the key is still inside.

With the activity key, you lock the smart key inside the vehicle and it is disabled by the activity key. If someone breaks into the car, it won’t start. You basically just park the car, put the key in the trunk, and lock it with the activity key.

 

[DiscoHasBeen]

A 16 year old car. So an old car.

Yeah, with door locks, an alarm, chipped key. So I guess I'm missing your point. Before you reply you might want to skip forward to to 3:35 mark. I'm pretty handy with that sort of stuff but it'd go to a professional installer if it were mine. That said the guy is to be commended. He really researched his wiring and how the device is installed and even added a couple of things. Like a switch to completely kill the system and revert to key started.

 

[DiscoHasBeen]

AFAIK every new car still has a key. Some are separate, some slide out of the fob. Attach it to your body or hide it somewhere and proceed with your activity.
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My wife's highlander doesn't have a key. Only a fob.

 

[discostew]

Ok I looked at the video at about 3 min. He's talking about tapping into the door lock relay. New cars don't have a relay and those big wires going to all the door locks. New cars send out the door lock signal on a can network. So it's much different.

I guess I'm just kind of confused about why we would hack all this shit into a vehicle that already has all these features.

 

[discostew]

My wife's highlander doesn't have a key. Only a fob.

There usually is a key blank someplace. If the battery goes dead you need to manually turn a lock.

 

[DiscoHasBeen]

There usually is a key blank someplace. If the battery goes dead you need to manually turn a lock.

Holly fuck I guess there is. Going on a mission to find it.

 

[discostew]

Holly fuck I guess there is. Going on a mission to find it.

Toyota Highlander Owners Manual: Using the mechanical key (vehicles with a smart key system) - Key information - Operation of each component

www.tohighlander.com

 

[DiscoHasBeen]

Ok I looked at the video at about 3 min. He's talking about tapping into the door lock relay. New cars don't have a relay and those big wires going to all the door locks. New cars send out the door lock signal on a can network. So it's much different.

I guess I'm just kind of confused about why we would hack all this shit into a vehicle that already has all these features.

Convenience. When you are walking out of a store in the middle of winter with arms full of bags who wouldn't want a vehicle the unlocked the doors and started the car when you got within a certain distance? So you are saying the new LR's have this. That one can walk up to it and it will unlock and start based on nothing more than you near it and a phone in your pocket?

 

[DiscoHasBeen]

Toyota Highlander Owners Manual: Using the mechanical key (vehicles with a smart key system) - Key information - Operation of each component

www.tohighlander.com

It's the wife's DD so never really cared. My bad.

 

[discostew]

Convenience. When you are walking out of a store in the middle of winter with arms full of bags who wouldn't want a vehicle the unlocked the doors and started the car when you got within a certain distance? So you are saying the new LR's have this. That one can walk up to it and it will unlock and start based on nothing more than you near it and a phone in your pocket?

yes that's right. The key in your pocket will unlock the door. All you have to do is grab the door handle. It unlocks as soon as your hand breaks the plane between the door handle and the door. If your hands are full you can use the gesture tailgate and the gate will unlock AND open for you.

so how is that system different? Other than not actually opening the tailgate for you when your hands are full? It's not just going to start anything for you just because your nearby. I see that as a problem. So if your working on the car, changing the oil, or hands in the belt. Your wife walks up to the car and it starts just because? That would suck.