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DiscoHasBeen

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yes that's right. The key in your pocket will unlock the door. All you have to do is grab the door handle. It unlocks as soon as your hand breaks the plane between the door handle and the door. If your hands are full you can use the gesture tailgate and the gate will unlock AND open for you.

so how is that system different? Other than not actually opening the tailgate for you when your hands are full? It's not just going to start anything for you just because your nearby. I see that as a problem. So if your working on the car, changing the oil, or hands in the belt. Your wife walks up to the car and it starts just because? That would suck.
That would entail nothing more than a system disable button. Convenience to the customer should rule dude, not an inconvenience to maintenance.
 

discostew

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It's actually safety to maintenance, So that rules. Normally the hood being open will inhibit start. But I have hood latches depressed a lot to lock cars so they go to sleep faster. If you like all that shit wired into your car, go for it.

But again, it's going to have to be an older car. I don't care what they tell you, it's not going to be able to produce lock messages on your body can bus.
 
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DiscoHasBeen

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We're getting lost in the weeds here. I couldn't care less about a third party system. Manufacturers should have had smartphone control long ago IMO. Seems like they are getting around to it.
 

umbertob

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All you have to do is grab the door handle. It unlocks as soon as your hand breaks the plane between the door handle and the door.

Interestingly, on the new Defender you need to physically push the button on each door to unlock it. Simply sliding your hand around the handle and pulling it doesn't unlock the door anymore. My guess is that was done for security reasons, as the fobs of LR4s and other Land Rovers with the same technology were apparently very easy - too easy - for a thief to clone from a distance with the proper scanning tools.
 
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discostew

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I was not aware of that. I know that the newer cars with deployable handles you have to push the button to get the handle to deploy. That was the answer to some of that your talking about. So that the vehicle has to triangulate the keys position around the car. I believe it.
 

rover rob

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Yeah Brett, we have all that. With a cell phone. Almost nothing like unlock signals or start signals are a hard wired connection anymore. Not just Land Rover, most if not all new cars. The shit has to be built in at the software level. There's already plenty of antennas on the car. Just software and security stuff.
In my opinion there's only one person on this board probably capable of doing that if he had time. And it's not me. I could not, won't even try
Robert f I would assume
 

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I think there’s a miscommunication or misunderstanding here. Let’s take the scenario where you’re going to the beach to go swimming and not bringing a bag to leave your keys in. The smart key does in fact have a detachable key blade in it, but it only locks and unlocks the drivers door. Would you be leaving the smart key in the vehicle and locking the drivers door manually (assuming single point entry is enabled). The smart key isn’t waterproof, so you can’t take it swimming.If you lock it manually with the key blade the alarm won’t be armed and if someone broke into the car, they would be able to start it since the key is still inside.

With the activity key, you lock the smart key inside the vehicle and it is disabled by the activity key. If someone breaks into the car, it won’t start. You basically just park the car, put the key in the trunk, and lock it with the activity key.

Yes, leave fob, take key blade. Being physically locked will be good enough to deter most thieves from a quick grab. If they're willing to break a window, the alarm isn't going to stop it. Ultimately, being physically locked and having comprehensive coverage, the risk is minimal.
 

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Nope. Yesterday we thought we could order 3 or 4. So as long as all weren't spoken for I could order mine. But then today they reversed position and said none for the states till January, like order it in Jan and get it in march
 

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Nope. Yesterday we thought we could order 3 or 4. So as long as all weren't spoken for I could order mine. But then today they reversed position and said none for the states till January, like order it in Jan and get it in march

Back in may, I told you that Co Springs LR said order then and get a vehicle end of 2021. I have yet to see one on the road here in CO.

I am way over the new defender. It certainly would not be worth the risk of a first model year vehicle. Its going to be a huge flop.
 

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Back in may, I told you that Co Springs LR said order then and get a vehicle end of 2021. I have yet to see one on the road here in CO.

I am way over the new defender. It certainly would not be worth the risk of a first model year vehicle. Its going to be a huge flop.
I'm not sure what changed. Yesterday they said we could order them. Today we waited for 3:00 and then we would be told how many we could order. We expected 3. But found out none. As far as the 110's go. We have an unsold one right now
 

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Back in may, I told you that Co Springs LR said order then and get a vehicle end of 2021. I have yet to see one on the road here in CO.

I am way over the new defender. It certainly would not be worth the risk of a first model year vehicle. Its going to be a huge flop.

I've seen one on the road in Wyoming.

Other than that, the only one I've seen was at JLR Salt Lake City.
 

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I don't know about low numbers. About 25K Defender 110s have been manufactured up to now (going by the last 6 digits of the VIN, which should be sequential), and if you consider the factory in Slovakia was basically shut down throughout April and May, they've really only been making them for about 6 months. Someone somewhere is buying them.
 
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discostew

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I don't know about low numbers. About 25K Defender 110s have been manufactured up to now (going by the last 6 digits of the VIN, which should be sequential), and if you consider the factory in Slovakia was basically shut down throughout April and May, they've really only been making them for about 6 months. Someone somewhere is buying them.
yeah someone is buying them. Pretty sure we can't get them here in the states because there is a ton of orders in europe.
 
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