2020 Defender

[discostew]

When new no doubt. And I would hope so. However how will they fair 25 years from now?

By that time the original owner has moved on. I don’t think you’ll have to wait 25 years. 15 years is more like it.
Even when it’s new it’s a struggle to keep all that shit working. Heated and cooled masage seats? 2 different radar systems/ side object and adaptive cruse. A stereo camera up behind the rear view mirror. Stereo so it has depth perception.
I can get you a decade of joy out of a new one. After that it gets expensive to keep all those systems up and going. It doesn’t all quit working on the same day so it becomes a piece of shit over time.

 

[discostew]

Not a recall but they had/have a problem with the hardtop models that halted deliveries. I'm not sure if they have that sorted out. And then the chip problem almost all dealers are having. The mechanic at work took his truck to the local Ford dealership to get the front end aligned. While he was waiting he walked around the lot and he said the newest vehicle he could find was a 2019.

I have no idea how that angry emoji got on here. I didn’t even know that was a thing

 

[DiscoHasBeen]

I have no idea how that angry emoji got on here. I didn’t even know that was a thing

I'm not going to get caught up in your BS again. I'll leave you with this.

1-877-SAMHSA7​

Call....
One more thing. I'd have to assume the only reason the site owner allows you to stay is you're a tech, so you add value. That offset's your maniacal desire to run off other board members.

 

[Blueboy]

Get in a ten year old Audi... Or look at a ten year old iPhone. The future is not good for today’s crop of vehicles.

That’s the most frustrating thing to me about the modern car. Tech has the fastest depreciation and aging curve of anything out there. Something built five years ago looks hilariously dated. (And likely is about to be unsupported by software!) And increasingly, it’s where manufacturers are focusing their time and resources. The life cycle of vehicles will soon mimic that of cellphones.

I had hope for the Grenadier. The philosophy seemed sound… I still hold some (not all) of it. We’ll see. The details don’t seem to match the advertised philosophy though.

Maybe the Bronco will save us all…

My ski car is a 2004 A4 Avant Quattro with close to 100k miles. The best part is no iPad screen or the other bs offered “needed” by the market today. Just a kick ass car that does snow well.

 

[Blueboy]

By that time the original owner has moved on. I don’t think you’ll have to wait 25 years. 15 years is more like it.
Even when it’s new it’s a struggle to keep all that shit working. Heated and cooled masage seats? 2 different radar systems/ side object and adaptive cruse. A stereo camera up behind the rear view mirror. Stereo so it has depth perception.
I can get you a decade of joy out of a new one. After that it gets expensive to keep all those systems up and going. It doesn’t all quit working on the same day so it becomes a piece of shit over time.

Exactly! Just not my cup of tea. And of course I’m not for sure the target market. Although that basic 90 is worth looking into - maybe
That and driving a basic Rover is very rewarding. One actually drives.

 

[discostew]

I'm not going to get caught up in your BS again.

It looks like you might.

 

[ukoffroad]

Even the simplest model will be orders of magnitude more complicated than my DII or even an LR4. Techs will need to be much more tech savvy to keep them going, and that level of complication lends itself to the product being devalued more quickly. The phone analogy holds up well here. And the D90 is longer than my DII.

 

[discostew]

Even the simplest model will be orders of magnitude more complicated than my DII or even an LR4. Techs will need to be much more tech savvy to keep them going, and that level of complication lends itself to the product being devalued more quickly. The phone analogy holds up well here. And the D90 is longer than my DII.

wheelbase as listed by JLR is 101.9 in on the Defender 90 and 100.00 on the Disco2. overall length is 185.6 in on the Disco2 and 181.0 on the Defender 90.

 

[Blueboy]

wheelbase as listed by JLR is 101.9 in on the Defender 90 and 100.00 on the Disco2. overall length is 185.6 in on the Disco2 and 181.0 on the Defender 90.

Which is really similar to the D1 only with 2 vs 4 doors.
D1:
WB - 100”
Overall Length - 178.7”

 

[DiscoHasBeen]

Even the simplest model will be orders of magnitude more complicated than my DII or even an LR4.

Dude the new compact tractor your neighbor owns is more complicated than your DII. We had a skid steer with a brush grinder delivered that almost immediately threw a code. Service tech called and out comes the scan tool.

 

[luckyjoe]

Dude the new compact tractor your neighbor owns is more complicated than your DII. We had a skid steer with a brush grinder delivered that almost immediately threw a code. Service tech called and out comes the scan tool.

Stihl even plugs their chainsaws into laptops.

 

[Lake_Bueller]

Which is really similar to the D1 only with 2 vs 4 doors.
D1:
WB - 100”
Overall Length - 178.7”

I may need to give some more thought to the D90. I was concerned about the size. But if it's close to the D1 in capacity, it might be a good fit. I'd probably remove the rear seats anyways. I can't remember the last time I had more than 2 people in any of my Discos

 

[pinkytoe69]

Stihl even plugs their chainsaws into laptops.

You can Wi-Fi into a BBQ grill now too.

 

[Tugela]

I may need to give some more thought to the D90. I was concerned about the size. But if it's close to the D1 in capacity, it might be a good fit. I'd probably remove the rear seats anyways. I can't remember the last time I had more than 2 people in any of my Discos

Having driven a new D110, it was obvious how much less interior volume there was compared to my LR3. The new D90 has similar dimensions to the D1 in some respects, but the vehicle height and rear cargo door are both smaller than the D1. The D1 has a surprising amount of volume - even though its length is compact, its height creates a lot of room. I'd be curious to see what kind of flexibility the D90 would have with the rear seats removed. Could you sleep inside it? I can sleep in my D1, although it's snug. The LR3 is palatial.

 

[pinkytoe69]

Having driven a new D110, it was obvious how much less interior volume there was compared to my LR3... The LR3 is palatial.

What about compared to a classic 110?

Those are long, but don't seem very palatial on the inside either

 

[MM3846]

Having driven a new D110, it was obvious how much less interior volume there was compared to my LR3. The new D90 has similar dimensions to the D1 in some respects, but the vehicle height and rear cargo door are both smaller than the D1. The D1 has a surprising amount of volume - even though its length is compact, its height creates a lot of room. I'd be curious to see what kind of flexibility the D90 would have with the rear seats removed. Could you sleep inside it? I can sleep in my D1, although it's snug. The LR3 is palatial.

It’s because the doors on a D1 are barely 2” thick.

 

[Blueboy]

It’s because the doors on a D1 are barely 2” thick.

At the top slightly more than 2” yet the bottom is much more. However guessing the rear door on the 90 / 110 is larger.

 

[MM3846]

At the top slightly more than 2” yet the bottom is much more. However guessing the rear door on the 90 / 110 is larger.

I was talking more so about the door doors, but yea. The body structure on the old trucks is pretty thin, gives you a lot of space inside until a crash.

 

[Blueboy]

Having driven a new D110, it was obvious how much less interior volume there was compared to my LR3. The new D90 has similar dimensions to the D1 in some respects, but the vehicle height and rear cargo door are both smaller than the D1. The D1 has a surprising amount of volume - even though its length is compact, its height creates a lot of room. I'd be curious to see what kind of flexibility the D90 would have with the rear seats removed. Could you sleep inside it? I can sleep in my D1, although it's snug. The LR3 is palatial.

I removed the rear side mounted seats in my ‘95 D90. It gave more room yet the Labs just didn’t like riding back there. And with them in the back there was no place to put anything. It was a nice Rover yet the ‘67 NADA 109 IIa that replaced it was much more user friendly especially on trips. The D1 and especially the RRC LWB really fit the bill now. I am though going to at least look at a new D90.

 

[Tugela]

What about compared to a classic 110?

Those are long, but don't seem very palatial on the inside either

Here are the specs on the interior space of the original Defender 110, taken from the excellent resource "The Land Rover Experience" - which, if you don't have a copy, is well worth buying.

• Interior height: 47.7" for the hard top (46.3" for the station wagon)
• Door aperture height: 42.7"
• Interior width: 56.3"
• Loadspace length: 74.8"

And the D1:

• Door aperture height: 41.5"
• Door aperture width: 60.6" (interior width 42.5" between the wheel arches)
• Loadspace length: 34.25" rear seats up, 52.1" rear seats down
• Luggage capacity: 45.8 cubic feet rear seats up, 69.8 cubic feet rear seats down

I haven't looked at the corresponding stats on the new Defenders and don't plan to since I'm not seriously considering one, but here is the baseline if someone else wants to do the comparison.