Add this one to the list. Drain the swamp my ass.

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Nearly four years of the most powerful nation the world has ever seen trying to nail him for something, and they can't even pin him for jaywalking. Then, in the same breath they used to suggest he's a master of conspiracy, they call him stupid. This is Donald Trump we're talking about... If you can't get beyond reasonable doubt when it comes to that sleazy blowhard, perhaps he's no worse than a sleazy blowhard after all.
He didn't get beyond reasonable doubt - the proof is there and he (and Mulvaney) admitted it.

What Trump has done (which is masterful) is to have converted the GOP in to the Cult of Trump.

The GOP today believes that ANY disagreement with Trump is heresy. No matter how outlandish his actions - even ones that just a few years ago, every GOPer would have strung Obama up over. So, no matter what Trump does - in plain view - the GOP will not call him out. (GOP Reps and Senators say there's no "eyewitnesses" to Trump, yet they refuse to call Trump out for not allowing the known eyewitness to testify (Mulvaney, Bolton, Pompeo). If you can't see the doublespeak here...)

It's Demagoguery 101. And Trump has shown he's the professor teaching the class.

Case in point:

Since when in our Republic does a governor have to do whatever the President tells him to do in his own state? When does the President dictate who a governor will/will not nominate?

And why the fuck is a Congressman from FL telling the Governor of GA what to do?

A true conservative who adheres to the rule of law, the Constitution and the idea that the States have independence from the Federal government would call this shit out. But nope...

(Cue those who thought the Bundys were aok, and that the western states shouldn't have to listen to the feds about how to manage the federal land out there (states rights!), tell us that the governor needs to listen and do everything Trump says.)
 
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He didn't get beyond reasonable doubt - the proof is there and he (and Mulvaney) admitted it.

What Trump has done (which is masterful) is to have converted the GOP in to the Cult of Trump.

The GOP today believes that ANY disagreement with Trump is heresy. No matter how outlandish his actions - even ones that just a few years ago, every GOPer would have strung Obama up over. So, no matter what Trump does - in plain view - the GOP will not call him out. (GOP Reps and Senators say there's no "eyewitnesses" to Trump, yet they refuse to call Trump out for not allowing the known eyewitness to testify (Mulvaney, Bolton, Pompeo). If you can't see the doublespeak here...)

It's Demagoguery 101. And Trump has shown he's the professor teaching the class.

Case in point:

Since when in our Republic does a governor have to do whatever the President tells him to do in his own state? When does the President dictate who a governor will/will not nominate?

And why the fuck is a Congressman from FL telling the Governor of GA what to do?

A true conservative who adheres to the rule of law, the Constitution and the idea that the States have independence from the Federal government would call this shit out. But nope...

(Cue those who thought the Bundys were aok, and that the western states shouldn't have to listen to the feds about how to manage the federal land out there (states rights!), tell us that the governor needs to listen and do everything Trump says.)
I think it's more of a case involving the reality of our future if he's not elected again.

If he doesn't win, odds are one of the more wild liberals will, and the nation will change dramatically and very quickly. If I was in political office on the conservative side of things at the moment, I'd be carefully managing what I think should be done versus what clashes with his biggest talking points. Undermining Trump is almost tantamount to inviting an overnight change in national culture.

Right now, the SJW threat is more real than it's ever been; "cancel culture" is more real, and certainly the threat of incredibly onerous regulation of the sort that has many times sparked genuine revolution. I'm not saying that will happen, but the frustrations will be present. Pure democracy is at our doorstep, and I personally feel that is the worst form of government ever devised. Likewise, data collection is at an all time high and is becoming more consolidated via monopoly that it takes someone like Trump to really understand.

So, the question to me is: What do I think is most important right now?

We know I didn't vote for Trump so much as I voted for Russia, and I'd still do it. I still think it's the best way forward for the world. Is that even on the table anymore, though? Well, it didn't work out this time, but a second term president has a little more political freedom. That's not the only reason I'm behind him at this point, though.

What I'm standing behind is a big, orange, meat shield. Trump stands between me and pure democracy, which is my personal nightmare.

If a modern liberal is elected, they absolutely will bow to pressure from the mob, because they'd need to in order to solidify their positions; and I don't approve of letting the mob dictate policy. Perhaps if anyone other than Trump was elected we wouldn't be here right now; his personality is not compatible with the new generations, after all.

The fact of the matter is, that's what I got. The world is what the world is, and as shitty as it is, I'd rather it stay this way for a while than get even crazier. The hate started the second he announced; people didn't wait for any of the events that are currently in the news. It started while he was still considered a dark horse looking for publicity; within hours.

Bringing him back in only delays the inevitable, but it does give more time to plan around it; or at least for me to pull back together well enough to find somewhere else to live. I genuinely refuse to live in a democracy. You may as well put a bullet in my head first, because people like me don't do well at all in that scenario. We're the first to be trampled.

I feel that many of these politicians are enduring the same thought process; perhaps not with as much disgust as myself, but nevertheless they're having to back a horse one way or another, because it's the only horse they've got with useful marketing. They just don't have the political freedom to type what I just did, so they spin their wheels.

That's my interpretation, anyway. To be fair, one could argue the swamp has certainly been draining.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

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Who is a "wild liberal?" Sanders is the most progressive and is certainly no more progressive than FDR. You know, the president who got us out of the great depression, created the middle class, gave us Social Security....

We have moved so far to the right that politicians in the middle somehow seem progressive.

Stop buying into the MSM bull.
 

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Who is a "wild liberal?" Sanders is the most progressive and is certainly no more progressive than FDR. You know, the president who got us out of the great depression, created the middle class, gave us Social Security....

We have moved so far to the right that politicians in the middle somehow seem progressive.

Stop buying into the MSM bull.
LOL, you are obviously delusional and poorly educated. FYI FDR’s “New Deal” prolonged the depression.......
 

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Who is a "wild liberal?" Sanders is the most progressive and is certainly no more progressive than FDR. You know, the president who got us out of the great depression, created the middle class, gave us Social Security....

We have moved so far to the right that politicians in the middle somehow seem progressive.

Stop buying into the MSM bull.
I don't buy into anything except reason; which is a dead persuasion now, and I haven't mentioned whether or not I did or didn't like FDR's decision making process. For the record, I didn't... Or don't. Whatever.

There are plenty of wild liberals out there, and many are on the verge of power. We'd be swapping your antichrist for mine.

If you think this country is being directed by the right wing these days, you have a systematic malfunction in your social analysis programming. We're being driven by the madness of public sensationalism propagated by automated programming developed by terminally altruistic fools.

As for the media in general, I'm not at all interested in what they have to say. They're all a bunch of fucking liars.

I know what I want. I know how it can be achieved, and I also know what is guaranteed to prevent it. You don't have to agree with what I want. I don't care what you want. You're persuasions are not my concern. My method achieves what I want in the most reasonably possible manner.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

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So your contention is that Sanders is the polar opposite of a Nazi and the anti-christ? Well there hoes any sort of potential at having a rational conversation with you.
 

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Right now, the SJW threat is more real than it's ever been; "cancel culture" is more real, and certainly the threat of incredibly onerous regulation of the sort that has many times sparked genuine revolution. I'm not saying that will happen, but the frustrations will be present. Pure democracy is at our doorstep, and I personally feel that is the worst form of government ever devised. Likewise, data collection is at an all time high and is becoming more consolidated via monopoly that it takes someone like Trump to really understand.

So, the question to me is: What do I think is most important right now?
The SJWs are an issue - and they should be checked. But Twitter (and the coasts) aren't the entire US. Not to mention, they aren't in power.

And, even if someone did get the presidency who believed in the SJW bullshit? They can't pass laws on their own, and there are a LOT of Democrats in Congress who aren't far left. In fact, remember what Pelosi told AOC? Sit down, shut up...your Twitter followers don't pass bills in the House.

A flailing narcissist who is corrupting everyone, and everything, he comes into contact with? He needs to go.

Again - do you think no other Republican would have the same agenda? Why only Trump?
 

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That's my interpretation, anyway. To be fair, one could argue the swamp has certainly been draining.
Oh, and Trump draining the swamp? Now that's funny. Doral just magically gets picked for the G7?

How many of his secretaries were found violating ethics rules, disclosures, and just the law?

How many "trademarks" did Ivanka get from China right after Trump took the White House? Or Kushner's sudden bank loan to bail out his boondoggle real estate purchase - days after meeting with said bank CEO at the White House.

Then there's this nugget that just happened:

North Dakota company that Trump touted gets $400 million border wall contract
A company that President Trump urged military officials to hire for border wall construction has been awarded a $400 million contract to build a span of new barrier across an Arizona wildlife refuge, according to a Defense Department announcement Monday.

Trump has repeatedly pushed for Fisher to get a wall-building contract, urging officials with the Army Corps of Engineers to pick the firm — only to be told that Fisher’s bids did not meet standards. Trump’s entreaties on behalf of the company have concerned some officials who are unaccustomed to a president getting personally involved in the intricacies of government contracting.

Trump has been enamored with Tommy Fisher, the company’s chief executive, who has made multiple appearances on Fox News to promote his firm and insists that it would do a better job than those the government had already chosen. The company’s attorneys did not immediately respond to requests for comment late Monday.
 

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Oh, and Trump draining the swamp? Now that's funny. Doral just magically gets picked for the G7?

How many of his secretaries were found violating ethics rules, disclosures, and just the law?

How many "trademarks" did Ivanka get from China right after Trump took the White House? Or Kushner's sudden bank loan to bail out his boondoggle real estate purchase - days after meeting with said bank CEO at the White House.

Then there's this nugget that just happened:

North Dakota company that Trump touted gets $400 million border wall contract
A company that President Trump urged military officials to hire for border wall construction has been awarded a $400 million contract to build a span of new barrier across an Arizona wildlife refuge, according to a Defense Department announcement Monday.

Trump has repeatedly pushed for Fisher to get a wall-building contract, urging officials with the Army Corps of Engineers to pick the firm — only to be told that Fisher’s bids did not meet standards. Trump’s entreaties on behalf of the company have concerned some officials who are unaccustomed to a president getting personally involved in the intricacies of government contracting.

Trump has been enamored with Tommy Fisher, the company’s chief executive, who has made multiple appearances on Fox News to promote his firm and insists that it would do a better job than those the government had already chosen. The company’s attorneys did not immediately respond to requests for comment late Monday.
Looking at Washington, however, how many politicians have been shed or buried during his term? I genuinely don't know the answer, but from what I've observed quite a few careers have been ended or damaged; more so than usual, anyway. A lot of inner workings have been revealed, as well.

That's my only point, there. Let's say Trump is proven guilty, charged, convicted, and properly impeached; would the swamp not be further drained by his downfall and the downfall of those around him? Draining is draining, in the end. I think he manages to fulfill that promise either way.

"The SJWs are an issue - and they should be checked. But Twitter (and the coasts) aren't the entire US. Not to mention, they aren't in power.

And, even if someone did get the presidency who believed in the SJW bullshit? They can't pass laws on their own, and there are a LOT of Democrats in Congress who aren't far left. In fact, remember what Pelosi told AOC? Sit down, shut up...your Twitter followers don't pass bills in the House.

A flailing narcissist who is corrupting everyone, and everything, he comes into contact with? He needs to go.

Again - do you think no other Republican would have the same agenda? Why only Trump?"

I don't know how to do more than one quote here, so I just did that instead.

If it's examined in another way, both Trump and Obama have managed to shoehorn agendas into the public space, as well as get all manner of things done behind the circus. I think we've seen plenty of evidence that a driven President can actually make things happen, whether everyone approves or not.

My concern with the SJW issue is it's wide-spread nature, the attacks on every front, the censoring of art, literature, and otherwise mediums of entertainment, the gutting of free speech... This stuff is more than just people complaining on Twitter, and regardless of the reality of the Trump fiasco, "guilty until proven innocent" is the new norm.

If the next President is into that sort of thing, or stands upon a platform that is based in social justice (pretending to be into that sort of thing), the vocal majority will steer that President's actions. It seems the DOD is about the last hold-out, in this regard; but they're giving way. Much of liberal Washington is already on one knee; which is little different than a conservative kowtowing to Trump, to my mind; they're just prepping to suck off the mob instead of the President.

It's not just national issues; it's state issues, as well. They're not all following the playbook, and as this stuff pushes on, it gets worse.

I get the feeling the nation was going to flip it's wig no matter who was elected, and that the year 2020 is going to really, really suck. We're on a course that may not be correctable, so far as social issues are concerned; and right now, in my opinion, they're the most dangerous issues within our borders.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

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I don't know how to do more than one quote here, so I just did that instead.

If it's examined in another way, both Trump and Obama have managed to shoehorn agendas into the public space, as well as get all manner of things done behind the circus. I think we've seen plenty of evidence that a driven President can actually make things happen, whether everyone approves or not.

My concern with the SJW issue is it's wide-spread nature, the attacks on every front, the censoring of art, literature, and otherwise mediums of entertainment, the gutting of free speech... This stuff is more than just people complaining on Twitter, and regardless of the reality of the Trump fiasco, "guilty until proven innocent" is the new norm.

If the next President is into that sort of thing, or stands upon a platform that is based in social justice (pretending to be into that sort of thing), the vocal majority will steer that President's actions. It seems the DOD is about the last hold-out, in this regard; but they're giving way. Much of liberal Washington is already on one knee; which is little different than a conservative kowtowing to Trump, to my mind; they're just prepping to suck off the mob instead of the President.

It's not just national issues; it's state issues, as well. They're not all following the playbook, and as this stuff pushes on, it gets worse.

I get the feeling the nation was going to flip it's wig no matter who was elected, and that the year 2020 is going to really, really suck. We're on a course that may not be correctable, so far as social issues are concerned; and right now, in my opinion, they're the most dangerous issues within our borders.

Cheers,

Kennith
You can just hit the reply on multiple posts - it puts that post in your response as a quote. It's the new and improved DWeb-site.

I think the SJW thing is way overblown. Real, yes, but still a very small (but vocal) minority. And the push back from the "average" American is growing. Even among the Dems, this is true - it's the reason Biden and Buttigeg are rising/at the top of the polls, and Warren is sinking.

(One can argue, and I do, that Trump got support because the far left was making all the crazy talk, and still are. If the Dems nominate a Warren or Sanders, it's over. Bill Maher had a great rant on this - stop trying to court the Dem base/far left because they never going to vote for Trump; they need to focus on the middle people who don't like Trump, but don't want socialism either. Putting out every item on the far left wish list is just going to alienate those voters).

While a President can make changes, the really big ones require Congress. Just look at Obama and Trump's first terms. They both were president and controlled both houses of Congress. They each got just one thing through - Obama got Obamacare and Trump the tax cuts. That was all they could muster.

(That was directly due to the existence of the filibuster in the Senate. If either party decides they want to do away with that, it might change that calculus, but I doubt it - it takes so much political capital to push through one of those things)

I agree...2020 is going to suck. And 2021 will be worse. ;)
 

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Trevor Noah? Really? Yeah, let's listen to that guy. Nice try, doesn't touch creeper Joe's hairy white legs in the sun.
He just complied all of Trumps quotes on wanting to fuck his daughter.

"Yeah, she's really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren't happily married and, ya know, her father... ," Trump said.

But I guess you don't find that creepy at all....

Makes sense.
 

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He just complied all of Trumps quotes on wanting to fuck his daughter.

"Yeah, she's really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren't happily married and, ya know, her father... ," Trump said.

But I guess you don't find that creepy at all....

Makes sense.
You must never listen to Howard Stern. You DEF. would not understand Stern, you're brain couldn't processes his humor.
 

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You must never listen to Howard Stern. You DEF. would not understand Stern, you're brain couldn't processes his humor.
A) That quote was from an interview Trump did with Rolling Stone.
B) Bitch, please. I was listening to Stern long before you figured out how to wipe your ass.