Aluminum Chev 350 in DI.... can it be done?

CBiDrive

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My DI has 150k on it and I was staring to shop around for a new or used 4.6. My friend is willing to sell me a 350 with trans and wire harness with 50k miles on it for $2000. Has any one done this is it possible.

I realize the the purists will throw up in their mouths a little but it would be a sweet conversion
 

stu454

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Getting the D1 ecu to talk with the new engine would be the biggest obstacle I would think.

It would be cool, though.
 

robertf

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putting a 350 in anything these days makes as much sense as putting in a flat head ford, but since the thread says aluminum 350 and you are talking about an included wiring harness and ecm you hopefully mean ls1. If so, that is ok, but stop calling it a 350. If you don't mean ls1, you are overpaying and living in the past.

its doable. there isn't much communicating between the truck and the engines wiring harness other than a blinky light on the dash and a wire that makes the starter turn.
 
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4.3 v6 is a better motor for the swap. It has plenty of power, can be mated to a turbo 400 just the same, is about 4" shorter so you can stuff in a much thicker radiator to solve the cooling issues you will have with the LS, and because it doesn't have nearly as much power as the LS you won't have to worry about upgrading the axles at the same time.
 

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maxyedor said:
4.3 v6 is a better motor for the swap. It has plenty of power, can be mated to a turbo 400 just the same, is about 4" shorter so you can stuff in a much thicker radiator to solve the cooling issues you will have with the LS, and because it doesn't have nearly as much power as the LS you won't have to worry about upgrading the axles at the same time.
but then he would have to change the sticker to on the back "V6i"
Not worth it IMO.
 

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Nothing wrong with putting a chevy in it. What the heck it already has a Buick in it. I would go with the V6. Hook it up to the stock ZF.
I ride around in my brother inlaws 350 powered Range Rover all the time. After you easily just bolt the block in useing the adapters you buy. You have to remember that everthing else will have to be custom made or bought at a hod rod shop and it wont be cheap. Remember its Cheap Easy or Good pick 2. It really has to be something you just want to do.
I think by the time you spend 2000$ on the motor you will easily have 4K$ when your done I would rather just put a new 4.6 in it. It would be a lot easier.
 
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jrose609

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I have a complete 4.0 with all the trimmings you could put in there. Its in great shape and would be a hell of a lot easier and cheaper than dropping in a 350.
 
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You can mount the 350 to the Rover ZF via an adapter.

$2k is too much for the motor, though. Small block Chevy's are dirt cheap.

You could dump $2k into your 4.0 and have just as much power as a clunker small Chevy. Obviously the LS1 is a different animal, but most of the small Chevy's were under 250hp.
 

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I got the details on the motor today. It is a LS6 with 42k on it and trans. Motor is spec'd at just over 300hp. If I do not get it my friend wants to put it in his Vette. I think that I need to pull the trigger on this deal and figure out the details before install. If it does not seem feesable I will sell it to my friend
 
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do it. i would probably just put a 4.3 vortec V6 in it, which i've seen done in a DI. the guy got his own adapter made and only has a couple sensors to mess with. it was nice.
 

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CBiDrive said:
I got the details on the motor today. It is a LS6 with 42k on it and trans. Motor is spec'd at just over 300hp. If I do not get it my friend wants to put it in his Vette. I think that I need to pull the trigger on this deal and figure out the details before install. If it does not seem feesable I will sell it to my friend


$2000 for that is a really good deal! Do it!

the fuel systems are a little goofy on the vette engines. There is an external pressure regulator and return line that is near the fuel tank. You'll have to do some fuel line modifications, but you'll probably need to swap pumps anyway. Good thing d1 pumps have the same form factor as almost everything else so finding a higher rated one should be easy.

I've been through a few gen 3 harnesses and they can be a little intimidating for novices, but there are lots of companies that will prune them and remove things like downstream o2 sensors if thats what your after. There is a guy in san antonio that is really good, Ill get his info if you want.

I would try to keep the gm transmission and adapt it to the lt230 rather than mess with adapting the zf to the ls block. I don't know what off the shelf options are out there for that. Gen 3 block bellhousing patterns use the top hole that gm stopped using around 58 or 59, and have one of the other holes missing. if that australian guys adapter doesn't account for this I wouldn't use it, not to mention adapting the zf's trans valve linkage to an electronic throttle controlled engine tain't gonna happen.
 

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Here are a few tidbits:
- A Buick 350 is likely to bolt directly on in place of a Rover V8. However, the last one went off assembly line in 1980, so it would not be a legal swap. I'd still consider doing it, along with entire Rover EFI setup. It would take a lot of tweaking, but it might work. A cast-iron Buick V8 is a beautiful thing.
- A Buick 3.8V6 might bolt on as well. This is a gray area, for all of those were used in front-wheel-drive applications. Many Buick boats of late years came with 3.8 with a supercharger on top of them - that'll put it far ahead of the Rover V8.
- Another option for a swap: Ford 4.0V6. Surprisingly, it has better low-end torque than Rover V8 of the same displacement. The AWD Aerostar I once owned (same curb weight as the Disco) felt faster off the line, and more powerful on the highway, than the Disco.
- Max: about Turbo 400. It's a great and indestructible transmission, but it has 3 gears, no lockup torque converter, and is a huge power hog. Like Chrysler's 727, it sucks about 45 horsepower on average. In big jeeps and trucks, it had a low-rpm (~1500-ish) stall torque converter - which has mixed consequences on driveability. Namely, my jeep's turning 3k rpm at highway speeds because the TC is completely locked up, you'll hit the steering wheel if your foot slips off the gas pedal because of engine braking, and you're looking at 10mpg regardless of the type of driving.
In any case, I would not mate a 4.3V6 Chevy with a TH400.
 

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CBiDrive said:
I got the details on the motor today. It is a LS6 with 42k on it and trans. Motor is spec'd at just over 300hp. If I do not get it my friend wants to put it in his Vette. I think that I need to pull the trigger on this deal and figure out the details before install. If it does not seem feesable I will sell it to my friend

Where did the "spec" just over 300hp number come from? Even if that's rwhp from a Mustang dyno, I would have it checked out before bying it. That's pretty low for a stock LS6.

Just for a loose comparison, my (sold) LS2 GTO put down 365rwhp bone stock on a Dynojet. (then made a little better on nitrous 5 min later, lol)
 
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sven

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- A Buick 3.8V6 might bolt on as well. This is a gray area, for all of those were used in front-wheel-drive applications. Many Buick boats of late years came with 3.8 with a supercharger on top of them - that'll put it far ahead of the Rover V8.

Didnt this engine also come in RWDs like the GN, olds cutlass, etc?