Do you think AAA knows about Rovers?

Blue

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Land Rover Discovery, the poster child for AAA roadside assistance.
 

Tugela

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The couple times I've had my truck towed to the local Rover specialist shop the AAA driver already knew where it was and asked me if that's where I wanted him to take it.
 

discostew

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As long as it's not a BMW L322 then that's great. If it's a BMW Range then he just screwed you. But really what does a AAA driver need to know about any one brand. Jumper cables and flat tires. Same on all cars.
 

ACR

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I'm not sure if AAA is different then BCAA here in BC Canada, but here all Drivers are Red Seal Fully Certified Technicians. They will not hire you to drive the tow truck if you are not a Technician so they are far from dummies. USA may be different, I wouldn't know
 

Tugela

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They are second to the Freelander in being a piece of shit.

So a P38 is less shitty than a BMW L322? I don't have enough data or personal experience to have an opinion on this statement, but I'll contemplate it. I drove a BMW L322 briefly (thankfully not as the owner) and I liked it, but didn't spend enough time in it to appreciate long-term ownership, which likely entailed $3,000 visits to the dealer.
 

discostew

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So a P38 is less shitty than a BMW L322? I don't have enough data or personal experience to have an opinion on this statement, but I'll contemplate it. I drove a BMW L322 briefly (thankfully not as the owner) and I liked it, but didn't spend enough time in it to appreciate long-term ownership, which likely entailed $3,000 visits to the dealer.

The Quick answer is yes. The P38 is better than a BMW Range.
 

discostew

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First clue for me was $1000 nav modules taking a shit if you disconnect the battery before nav went to sleep. So you disconnect the battery before the LED on the thing went out and you need to add a $1000 to your estimate. Then there's the steering column that causes the key to not turn. Usually you have to argue with some asshole that it's NOT the ign. switch, it's a steering column. Then after that you find out the steering column you could buy for $1600 ten years ago is now a $7800 part. Probably cause there's only a handful of them left. Or the valley pan that the seal gets sucked in if you use a vacuum lift to fill the cooling system. Of course I can't forget the shitty front drive shaft splines that strip out on the pinion splines. Then the water that leaks down into the audio stack in the left rear quarter panel. And the crazy expensive alternator that is in the cooling system. The trans sector shaft snaps right the fuck off if god forbid you have to take the linkage off that. Then the blower motor on the thing will make guys quit when they gotta do one of those. The front struts are prone to failing and bringing the front of the truck down to the bump stops. The MOST ring on the thing gets interrupted by whatever module filled up with water that week. The brake light circuit is some kind of strange shit too. The timing chain tensioner like to take a shit and that job sucks too.you can put the flywheel on in the wrong position and cause all kind of timing faults( that job usually come from a trans shop). Then you have all the usual suspects for parasitic draws on the thing that I used to remember by the amperage reading on the draw what it was. The cooling fan was like 800ma, the headlight wipers was over an amp, the amplifier was a known parasitic load. And if you replace that on an 05 and try to program it regular old way you made a really nice paper weight out of your brand new amp. In 05 only you had to get that calibration file e mailed to you from Technical Assistance. I'm sure I could keep going but got to get back to work.

So you don't know what I want from them? I want nothing from a BMW Range Rover.
 

jim-00-4.6

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First clue for me was $1000 nav modules taking a shit if you disconnect the battery before nav went to sleep. So you disconnect the battery before the LED on the thing went out and you need to add a $1000 to your estimate. Then there's the steering column that causes the key to not turn. Usually you have to argue with some asshole that it's NOT the ign. switch, it's a steering column. Then after that you find out the steering column you could buy for $1600 ten years ago is now a $7800 part. Probably cause there's only a handful of them left. Or the valley pan that the seal gets sucked in if you use a vacuum lift to fill the cooling system. Of course I can't forget the shitty front drive shaft splines that strip out on the pinion splines. Then the water that leaks down into the audio stack in the left rear quarter panel. And the crazy expensive alternator that is in the cooling system. The trans sector shaft snaps right the fuck off if god forbid you have to take the linkage off that. Then the blower motor on the thing will make guys quit when they gotta do one of those. The front struts are prone to failing and bringing the front of the truck down to the bump stops. The MOST ring on the thing gets interrupted by whatever module filled up with water that week. The brake light circuit is some kind of strange shit too. The timing chain tensioner like to take a shit and that job sucks too.you can put the flywheel on in the wrong position and cause all kind of timing faults( that job usually come from a trans shop). Then you have all the usual suspects for parasitic draws on the thing that I used to remember by the amperage reading on the draw what it was. The cooling fan was like 800ma, the headlight wipers was over an amp, the amplifier was a known parasitic load. And if you replace that on an 05 and try to program it regular old way you made a really nice paper weight out of your brand new amp. In 05 only you had to get that calibration file e mailed to you from Technical Assistance. I'm sure I could keep going but got to get back to work.

So you don't know what I want from them? I want nothing from a BMW Range Rover.
I had a 2000 P38 first, then added a 2005 L322 to the fleet.
I had the steering column stop going in & out, and the CD player stopped working.
Replaced the alternator twice. NOT with factory parts.

I put about 125,000 miles on each of them, and they both entered my family with around 40K miles.

I really liked both cars.
And both of them were nervous-making.
What's going to fail next? How much will that cost?
Beautiful cars.
Typical unreliable british vehicles.

If I hadn't needed them to work, I'd still have both of them.
But, you know, I'm THAT fucking guy.
The one who buys a vehicle to actually drive every day, & expects it to work.
 

jhmover

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The couple times I've had my truck towed to the local Rover specialist shop the AAA driver already knew where it was and asked me if that's where I wanted him to take it.

Yeah I blew a transmission line, told the driver to take it to the dealer in San Rafael. He ignored me and took me to a little specialist shop with an English dude who owned it. I'm sure I got off way cheaper than the dealer.
 

bri

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So a P38 is less shitty than a BMW L322? I don't have enough data or personal experience to have an opinion on this statement, but I'll contemplate it. I drove a BMW L322 briefly (thankfully not as the owner) and I liked it, but didn't spend enough time in it to appreciate long-term ownership, which likely entailed $3,000 visits to the dealer.

My P38 rocks. Had it for 11+ years now I think. I had about 3k worth of work on it when I got it. Only maintenance since.
 

pdxrovermech

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I have a customer who has clocked 270k miles on his 2000 P38. All on the same engine block. Yeah over the years we've done one top end job, blend motors, blower motors, radiator, fuse block, HVAC controls, removed air suspension, etc... But all that work is still cheaper than a new car. I know its a rarity, but it's kinda cool to see nice P38s running around.
 

discostew

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I have always liked the P38 myself. I think the classics did a little better offroad. Just something about the way that truck drove with it's straight axles on air suspension. I don't like them as much once they get steel springs. I would have to have a GEMS truck though.