Dutch Oven Selection

Ballah06

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Got a question to those who own or have used theirs; any particular brands that you found worth buying? I know there was a dutch oven recipe thread on here a while back, but I am looking for advice an actual hardware. See quite a few cast iron/enamel, etc. types out there, but figured I would ask here first.
 

DougG

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LeCrueset is probably the best, but very expensive. I actually bought a Martha's Stewart enameled cast iron Dutch oven three years ago from Macy's for $80 and it has been great. An equivelent LeCrueset would be $300+. Wooden spoons, and silicone tipped tongs should be used so you don't scratch the bottom.
 

Ballah06

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LeCrueset is probbly the best but very expensive. I actually bought a Martha's Stewart enameled cast iron Dutch oven three years ago from Macy's for $80 and it has been great. An equivelent LeCrueset would be $300+. Wooden spoons, and silicon tipped tongs should be used so you don't scratch the bottom.

Yeah, I have seen those in Bed, Bath and Beyond, as well as online, but after reading a few negative reviews (of course have to be taken with a grain of salt), I am a bit leery of the quality and especially their return/exchange policy as discussed on Amazon.
 

az_max

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Cabela's branded dutch oven. But I've never used it. (bargain cave open box item)
 

kk88rrc

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Home use or campfire?

I have LeCrueset for home and some old hand me down cast iron like a Lodge for campfire. The only main difference I see are in the lids. Something like a Lodge will allow you to place coals on top more efficiently.

The enameled cookware can take the abuse of metal utensils just don't cut something in there.
 

Tugela

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Wife bought the Martha Stewart version. It's effing huge. You practically need a crane to get it on and off the stove. The enamel on the handles have chipped a little but otherwise she's been happy with it. We've had it for 2+ years. I prefer to spend the real money on kitchen cutlery so I don't have a strong opinion on the dutch oven. Whatever Kennith uses is probably pretty good.
 

Ballah06

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Home use or campfire?

I have LeCrueset for home and some old hand me down cast iron like a Lodge for campfire. The only main difference I see are in the lids. Something like a Lodge will allow you to place coals on top more efficiently.

The enameled cookware can take the abuse of metal utensils just don't cut something in there.

Home use dutch oven ( should have clarified earlier). I plan to use wooden or plastic utensils.
 

Mike_Rupp

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Home use dutch oven ( should have clarified earlier). I plan to use wooden or plastic utensils.

I have a Le Creuset cast iron dutch oven. I love the thing. I love to braise, so it gets a lot of use. It's definitely not cheap, but I've had it for ten years or so and it's still in great shape. It's definitely one of those things that you can pass down to the kids.

There are certain things I don't mind spending money on and this one qualifies. On the other hand, I see no sense in spending $100+ for a teflon coated pan. I don't care who makes it, the coating doesn't last forever. I spend $40 at Target for a Tfal pan every few years.
 

discograham

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I would consider cast aluminum instead of cast iron. They are more expensive, but lighter and you don't have to worry about cleaning with soap and water or seasoning it. It still naturally gets seasoned as you use it, you just don't have to worry about it getting rusty.

Like this:

http://www.nrs.com/product/1543/gsi...product_1543&gclid=CMiFz6rO7bsCFbIDOgodBhEA-w

No idea about this brand or store, just using the link for the picture.
 

DougG

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I have a Le Creuset cast iron dutch oven. I love the thing. I love to braise, so it gets a lot of use. It's definitely not cheap, but I've had it for ten years or so and it's still in great shape. It's definitely one of those things that you can pass down to the kids.

There are certain things I don't mind spending money on and this one qualifies. On the other hand, I see no sense in spending $100+ for a teflon coated pan. I don't care who makes it, the coating doesn't last forever. I spend $40 at Target for a Tfal pan every few years.

Good advice on the Teflon pans. I bought an All-Clad Teflon, and It lasted three years. I think it was $150 or $ 175. Tossed it and bought a Calphalon, and I've had it for three years and still holding up. I think it was $50. Teflon pans are disposable.
 

az_max

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Good advice on the Teflon pans. I bought an All-Clad Teflon, and It lasted three years. I think it was $150 or $ 175. Tossed it and bought a Calphalon, and I've had it for three years and still holding up. I think it was $50. Teflon pans are disposable.

I have exactly one teflon pot/pan, and that's for pancakes or cheese dishes. The rest of my cookware is stainless with aluminum bases.
 

kennith

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A dutch oven has a very specific purpose.

It is meant to transfer heat from it's entire internal surface area in as even a manner as possible, as well as radiate heat from it's lid, for long periods of time, while being exposed to a localized (sometimes slowly diminishing) source of heat throughout the process.

The device, therefore, must be heavy. It's mass is directly related to it's performance. This can be affected by any combination of material density and volume. Cast iron is commonly chosen for this reason.

A dutch oven may be constructed of materials other than iron, but the mass must be similar to that of an equivalent cast iron unit. This is one reason why aluminum ovens are frowned upon.

As far as I am aware, no aluminum dutch oven is manufactured to equal the mass of a cast iron oven given an identical fluid capacity. Aluminum is not as dense, so the volume of material must increase dramatically.

One desirable aspect of cooking with dutch ovens, cauldrons, and large skillets concerns the "bits about bottom and edges" that are hopefully excavated when the contents are agitated before serving.

In order for these to be produced during the cooking process, the vessel must be old (or incredibly well-used), and seasoning must be present. It is lucky that dutch ovens season rather quickly with use, but don't forget that seasoning isn't only about surface coating.

This is where the line is drawn between ceramic coated and bare cast iron dutch ovens. Steel vessels are not immune from the concept, as evidenced by woks and large cauldrons or pots that may be used to serve stews to many guests. The best wok is an old wok, and this is likewise true regarding large cauldrons and pots.

Ask any gumbo or oriental cuisine enthusiast to show you his cookware, and you will see how important this is.

On one side sits a very convenient, easily cleaned device that accomplishes the task. On the other, sits a device capable of providing those last bits of flavor associated with this manner of cooking; but will require care and the acceptance of something that is not thoroughly cleaned between uses.

The user must decide what he is willing to lose: Convenience and apparent sanitation, or flavors that some may not even associate with the vessel itself. The cooking skill and care of the user is an important facet of the decision process, as well.

I own Teflon pans as well, because I can be lazy when cooking for myself. I happen to know I will be receiving a folding electric griddle thing as a Christmas present shortly, and I'm sure as hell looking forward to it.

Fast and easy is quite often better for a single male. Fuck, I've been known to microwave bacon.:rofl:

Still, there's nothing like slowly cooking bacon in a well-seasoned skillet, carefully removing most of the fluid, and cooking eggs directly after in the remaining mess.

I run into people that hate that. Those people are pussies. :)

It will be owned for decades, so cost is irrelevant. If you can't afford what you want, save money until you can. You've got time.

I prefer to find things that have been operated for many years by servants, who were likely to have used the item often enough to avoid thorough cleaning.

My favorite skillet is well over a century old, incredibly dense, and very high quality.

Good places to look are antique stores, the walls in the home of a senior citizen, auctions, scouting establishments, very old traditional local restaurants, the estate sales of wealthy individuals with a strong family history, and (if you should have a family with a similarly strong history) an attic.

Everything I've purchased new has been manufactured by lodge; and I am careful to purchase the most heavy product (bring a scale), and inspect it thoroughly. You'll be stuck with it forever, so be sure to buy the best on the shelf. Lodge makes quality products, but cast iron isn't expected to be as dense today as in the past, so be sure to get the best you can.

I prefer bare cast iron, but I was raised in an environment that might not be expected given my manner of language, and remained unexposed to such innovations as ceramic coating until later in life.

Le Creuset is a good option for those who would prefer a ceramic coated dutch oven. There is nothing wrong with this choice. It depends upon what you want out of cookware.

Cheers,

Kennith
 
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Ballah06

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Damn it all. I did it again...

I've been trying to avoid such long-windedness.

Cheers,

Kennith

Kennith,

Thank you for the lengthy write up. I completely agree on the weight aspect, as well as flavor captured in the old cookware. Hence why I asked, since I do not really want to get something that will do the job half-way so to speak. My family has an old dutch oven, cast iron and really heavy, that has been around for quite some time, however it is not in my possession, so I am looking at acquiring something somewhat similar. I am all for the cookware that produces the best possible product, although of course, at times we all may use something that is quicker and easier to clean. As far as looking for Teflon specific stuff, I stopped that years ago. I have stuck with Calphalon brand for quite some time, from knives to pots/pans and for something widely available and reasonably priced, I have to say that I am pleased with the performance. I'll keep looking at the ovens in the meantime to see what I can find. My primary focus is to use it for braising, at least initially.
 

Mike_Rupp

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Kennith, my use of a teflon pan has nothing to do with laziness. Like the rest of my kitchen gear, it has a specific purpose. I use it almost exclusively for omelettes. Making an omelette is almost exactly the opposite of most cooking. You don't want to brown anything. An omelette shouldn't have any brown on it whatsoever, IMHO.

And yes, one of the great joys in life is to cook scrambled eggs in a cast iron skillet in bacon grease.
 

Some Dude

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Yep. I've had my enameled Lodge for 5 or 6 years. It's holding up well and the price was right.

I've got a cheap Kelty for camping, but lugging a dutch along on a camping trip is a royal pain in the ass. It mostly gets used on the back patio.
 

rnewman

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I scored 2 Le Creuset dutch ovens at a local yard sale for $5.00 each 3 years ago. I have been asked too many time if my wife knows that I took them camping. To date I have not found anything I can cook with them, and the clean up is super easy. As for skillets.....Griswold cast is the way to go.
Just my input......
 

mjbrox

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i have the kind from Bed Bath and Beyond.

THe enamel came off after 4 years of hard use. I brought it back to a different store in a different state, no box, no receipt and replaced it on the spot with no questions.
 

Ballah06

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i have the kind from Bed Bath and Beyond.

THe enamel came off after 4 years of hard use. I brought it back to a different store in a different state, no box, no receipt and replaced it on the spot with no questions.

I have recently learned that BB&B's return/exchage policy is awesome; your testimony supports that. Reminds me of one at Jos Bank.