Glock vs Sig

[kennith]

Agreed that feel is different vs. arguing about comparable reliability. I think the latter was in question originally. Shoot, I love my XD (Springfield) when it comes to grip comfort. I would still take a Glock over it. I think a Gen 4 Glock offers more stockwise in terms of backstrap adjustments, but let's face it, sight alignment and sight picture does not change from handguns to rifles but personal preferences do. I love my TRP (Springfield), but those grips chew the sht out of your hand after a few hundred rounds. That new Sig that is getting fielded felt great tho; haven't fired one yet...

It's funny how preferences differ. I don't really like the feel of a 1911 or XD. I've got a 1911 from Fusion, but I don't really mess with it. I should probably sell the thing, as it's got a decent amount of cash tied up in it.

Bore axis is something that I think isn't mentioned often enough. It can make or break a cartridge on certain platforms for some people.

Most pistols are reliable enough nowadays, and they're getting even better. I think it's the manufacturers having to contend with thousands of independent reviews and torture tests on the net. They can't buy everyone off anymore.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[Ballah06]

I hated the Beretta I was issued, and thought they were just poorly-made firearms. Then I got my paws on a civilian unit when I was teaching a pistol class...

That thing was slick. I'd agree that it's one that comes close to a P226. Those Legion grips, though... Holy shit.

After ordering, I spent the entire wait wondering if I'd wasted the money, because it's a price hike over the normal model. The money was not wasted.

For the Sig fans out there, it's well worth finding one to pick up if at all possible. I couldn't, so I just rolled the dice.

Cheers,

Kennith

Haha, those issued Berettas were like cinderblocks that shot stuffs... I just hate switching between platforms, not just for the $ but rather being used to manipulations, etc. i do like those Sig 320s tho. Like i said before, never fired one but loved way it felt. Just finger fucked one at Bass Pro and of course given their prices, a good modded one was around 900 irc.

 

[rovercanus]

Just get a Beretta M9 and change out the grips. The Hogue aluminium grips though pricey make a world of difference.
It's even better if you add a short reach trigger. I hate plastic on my firearms.

 

[Ballah06]

Just get a Beretta M9 and change out the grips. The Hogue aluminium grips though pricey make a world of difference.
It's even better if you add a short reach trigger. I hate plastic on my firearms.

Never buying a Beretta. They can keep their stuff. I'd put up a Glock against a Beretta any day. Plus, a Full size Beretta isnt practical for everyday carry. Fk that external safety too. If i am carrying something, it better not have any snags as in safeties. I know what condition the gun is in and even if i chose to carry it in 3, all i have to do is rack the slide, which is pretty easy, instead of messing w the ambidextrious safety on a Beretta or any safety on any gun period. Just clear the holster and shoot.

 

[kennith]

I wish someone would try something new, though. I was thinking about

Just get a Beretta M9 and change out the grips. The Hogue aluminium grips though pricey make a world of difference.
It's even better if you add a short reach trigger. I hate plastic on my firearms.

You'd probably like it in extreme cold or heat. That's where polymer grip sort of comes into it's own.

Never buying a Beretta. They can keep their stuff. I'd put up a Glock against a Beretta any day. Plus, a Full size Beretta isnt practical for everyday carry. Fk that external safety too. If i am carrying something, it better not have any snags as in safeties. I know what condition the gun is in and even if i chose to carry it in 3, all i have to do is rack the slide, which is pretty easy, instead of messing w the ambidextrious safety on a Beretta or any safety on any gun period. Just clear the holster and shoot.

Beretta, Glock, Sig, Brand X 1911, M&P...

It doesn't matter. They all exist in the same size categories, and they all put lead down range reliably. Gain proficiency on all platforms, and each of them will punch a hole off a draw as fast as the others. Every last one of them will out-shoot nearly any marksman in a vice, and most that claim otherwise.

So, what does it come down to, then? User interface.

They exist in different forms for specialization in different environments. That doesn't really matter so much in the end, but it is indeed a factor. Beyond that, you're looking at caliber options and how their experience is affected by the design, bore axis, and mass. So, it's coming down to preference when you get to brass tacks.

I've seen Glocks in the bush, as well as Sigs. My go-to side arm for that environment is historically a 7.5" SAA. It's cheating comparing that to a semi-auto, but the point is that's where preference drops off and practicality/performance comes into play. When I've carried here in the States, I tend to prefer .32 auto mouse guns.

It's not really my thing, though. I just can't be bothered. Too many rules, and there's a legitimate concern I'd just forget and bring one where it's not allowed.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[rovercanus]

You'd probably like it in extreme cold or heat. That's where polymer grip sort of comes into it's own.

The reason I say change the grips is that the biggest complaint I hear about the M9 is how fat the grip is. The Hogue's slim it down quite a bit.
As far as not being able to operate a safety, you can convert it to a G model deletes the safety and keeps the decocker.
I said it before, there's nothing wrong with plastic pistols, i just don't like them.
And Kennith, I have a couple of 32 ACP pistols a Beretta 3032 Tomcat and an 81FS. The Tomcat is a great pocket gun for when I can't open carry which truthfully, isn't very often.

 

[kennith]

The reason I say change the grips is that the biggest complaint I hear about the M9 is how fat the grip is. The Hogue's slim it down quite a bit.
As far as not being able to operate a safety, you can convert it to a G model deletes the safety and keeps the decocker.
I said it before, there's nothing wrong with plastic pistols, i just don't like them.
And Kennith, I have a couple of 32 ACP pistols a Beretta 3032 Tomcat and an 81FS. The Tomcat is a great pocket gun for when I can't open carry which truthfully, isn't very often.

That is certainly true. I recall it being blocky as hell, but the civilian model wasn't bad. I honestly can't remember if the grips were different, but they must have been. It felt like a completely different firearm from every perspective.

I don't have a Tomcat, but if I do end up buying something else, it'll probably be the one I choose. I like that tip-up barrel for .32, given the rimmed cartridge.

I do like the polymer Glock uses, but I don't like the shape. The magazines are the cat's ass, but they do fatten it up a bit. Most of my favored firearms are all metal or metal and wood. I can see why polymer is popular for concealed carry and those times when you're not wearing a dedicated gun belt, but that's not really my thing.

Other manufacturers seem to choose materials that feel a bit cheap. They don't break, but the do feel cheap to me. That's the part that Glock nailed, in my opinion, but Glock was historically a polymer development company. He was making hair dryers and inventing new polymers before ever getting into firearms. The Glock 17 isn't just a reference to the capacity; it was the 17th product he manufactured, if I recall correctly.

So, naturally he'd have the best plastic. I liken Glocks to Porsches. If asked, I can't tell you anything wrong with them... I still don't like them, though. Even the strange grip angle is a matter of preference, and so is feeling like you're driving a bath tub bolted to a go cart.

I have no rational, objective reason to dislike them, but that just doesn't change my opinion. I wouldn't complain if issued one, but then again, I wouldn't complain about being issued any weapon. At least I didn't have to buy it. For that reason, I can understand why so many cops use them. If the discount is deep enough, why not? They work.

I need to go down to the gun shop this week if I can make it and find out what I can get out of my 1911. I never shoot the thing. Might sell the Glock, as well. If anyone wants one, I suppose I could put it up here for a few hundred. That 1911 would be a heck of a lot more, though.

Haven't shot any of my other semi-autos since I got that Sig. No sense keeping them around. Should probably ditch the compatible Sub-2000, as well. No use for that if I don't have a Glock anymore.

Cheers,

Kennith

Edit: Looks like it's time to spray out the old keyboard. I'm missing characters again... LOL

 

[SGaynor]

i do like those Sig 320s tho. Like i said before, never fired one but loved way it felt. Just finger fucked one at Bass Pro and of course given their prices, a good modded one was around 900 irc.

I got the one above from Palmetto State for $570 (+ the FFL transfer at my gun shop); it has the night sights (without them it was $520). That's the general price I've seen on line, and what my shop quoted me (if they got them in (they had the non-night sight version), which they didn't know if they would - hence my buying and shipping).

I bought it after looking at other Sigs and H&Ks. That one just fit in my hand like it belonged there. Shoots great (I've put about 300 rounds through it so far).