Glock vs Sig

Ballah06

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Is there anywhere you can still find a Gen 1? I can only find 3 and 4.


You can, if you look hard, but i honestly do not see the point. Gen 3 is a better platform IMO. I think Dan was saying it just to raise some pulses on here. Also if you have not shot both or either, do that; i'd say then you will not regret making your own judgment call. I personally do not like Sigs, as I mentioned before, but that's just my opinion. They are also bulkier and cost more. Even pricier places locally by us, like SSG tactical may have some used guns; worth checking if you want to save a few bucks.

Used gun wise, if you are contemplating getting one here are a few things to check for:
Matching numbers, test fire date and docs to include seller's id if private sale
Obvious damage (talking cracks in slide, receiver, bulges/rings in barrel, etc. vs. minor cosmetic stuff)
Worn out pin holes (repeated detailed dis/ass)
Presence of aftermarket parts
Dry fire, function check
Check recoil spring to ensure its proper and works (if doesnt go into full battery you d need to replace the spring assembly)
Make sure extractor is present and works; cycle rounds thru it if possible (dummy or live)
Check for damage on the breech face (hot loads)
 

bigred

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You can, if you look hard, but i honestly do not see the point. Gen 3 is a better platform IMO. I think Dan was saying it just to raise some pulses on here. Also if you have not shot both or either, do that; i'd say then you will not regret making your own judgment call. I personally do not like Sigs, as I mentioned before, but that's just my opinion. They are also bulkier and cost more. Even pricier places locally by us, like SSG tactical may have some used guns; worth checking if you want to save a few bucks.

Yeah I've been to SSG. N0 used glocks. . Used P 229 but its a.45.
 

brian4d

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Would used not make you nervous at all?
I'm leaning towards Gen 3. I'm not left handed, and prefer the grip texture of the 3.
And.. Anyone got a good source for deals? (besides the bottom of the river under the bridge by the hood.)

I personally would spend the bit of extra money and buy new, that's just me. It also depends what you're using it for. I would consider a used G19 for a Camping or outdoor sidearm. I would not consider a used glock if it were for home defense. On the same note, I would not trust ANY new semi-automatic handgun for home defense until I've run 300+ rounds though it but that's just me, no manufacture is perfect but Glock does have a damn solid record.

With a new glock you'll get the original box, manual and factory 9mm casing that was used for testing at the factory. May not seem like a lot but I thought it was kind of cool.
 

Ballah06

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Yeah I've been to SSG. N0 used glocks. . Used P 229 but its a.45.

You can also look at guntrader sites. Like Brian said though I'd also rather buy new and avoid potential issues, etc. after all we are talking about $100 plus or minus at best.
Where do you shoot locally? The Range in Stafford, FR&GC, Clark Bros.?
 

brian4d

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Great vid here on the luger 9mm round and it's capability.

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mike97d1

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I personally would spend the bit of extra money and buy new, that's just me. It also depends what you're using it for. I would consider a used G19 for a Camping or outdoor sidearm. I would not consider a used glock if it were for home defense. On the same note, I would not trust ANY new semi-automatic handgun for home defense until I've run 300+ rounds though it but that's just me, no manufacture is perfect but Glock does have a damn solid record.

With a new glock you'll get the original box, manual and factory 9mm casing that was used for testing at the factory. May not seem like a lot but I thought it was kind of cool.

I agree with everything here. And I think 3rd Gen is better than Gen 1. If I were getting a 19 I would try to find a 3rd Gen RTF frame, but I think of things from a self-defense stand point.

I was just saying that if the extra money was an issue I would get a used one if that was all I could get, but you should be able to get a new G19 for $500 + tax (I paid $500 for my G27 and $525 for G17C).

And yes, for a self-defense gun, I would run several hundred rounds through it first and 100 rounds of the ammo I'm going to carry in it before I trust my life to it.

That said my G27 has 135gr Hollow Points from Double Tap Ammo, and XS 24/7 Big Dot sights. If the shit hits the fan, the gun is ready, just hope I am.
 

brian4d

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I agree with everything here. And I think 3rd Gen is better than Gen 1. If I were getting a 19 I would try to find a 3rd Gen RTF frame, but I think of things from a self-defense stand point.

I was just saying that if the extra money was an issue I would get a used one if that was all I could get, but you should be able to get a new G19 for $500 + tax (I paid $500 for my G27 and $525 for G17C).

And yes, for a self-defense gun, I would run several hundred rounds through it first and 100 rounds of the ammo I'm going to carry in it before I trust my life to it.

That said my G27 has 135gr Hollow Points from Double Tap Ammo, and XS 24/7 Big Dot sights. If the shit hits the fan, the gun is ready, just hope I am.

Yessss sir. This for home protection:

http://www.hornady.com/store/9mm-Luger-115-gr-ZMAX

But at $1 a bullet your break-in would be $100! But hell, who can put a price on your life or your families life?
 

Ballah06

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Keep in mind also, with the used Glock, you can always either send it in for them to look over or take it by any of the events, like matches held by GSSF, for an on-site armorer parts replacement/review. It's not all that complicated; if the gun passes a close inspection and then works on the range, why not trust it? Either way, unless you get a smoking deal on one, why go through possible hassle for around $100?
 

Tugela

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Either way, unless you get a smoking deal on one, why go through possible hassle for around $100?

Comrade, you are forgetting one of the fundamental laws of Discoweb: cheapfuckitude knows no bounds. Logic be damned: if it's suspension, roof racks, hack job bumpers, or burritos, somebody on here is always going to look to save a few bucks even if they pay more in the long run. Sometimes there are genuine deals to be had, sometimes it's a recipe for disaster.

This is in no way intended to reflect on the original poster, just editorializing on a general theme I've observed over the years.
 

brian4d

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Comrade, you are forgetting one of the fundamental laws of Discoweb: cheapfuckitude knows no bounds. Logic be damned: if it's suspension, roof racks, hack job bumpers, or burritos, somebody on here is always going to look to save a few bucks even if they pay more in the long run. Sometimes there are genuine deals to be had, sometimes it's a recipe for disaster.

This is in no way intended to reflect on the original poster, just editorializing on a general theme I've observed over the years.

Cheap bastards be damned, when I pull the trigger it sure as hell better fire!
 

stu454

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I'm not a GlockBoy by any stretch of the imagination. I will say that I honestly wouldn't sweat a used Glock in 9mm. It should be fine as long as there are no obvious defects (e.g. cracked frames, bore corrosion, a crack in the barrel).

The trick is finding a used one. Here around Atlanta, you just don't see them in 9mm. Cop trade-in .40's are out there, though.
 

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get a glock and be done with it. if you don't like one over the other, the glock will far outlast others and is a good, easy, accurate gun what you need it for most likely. if you like one over the other, get it. for me and the things i do, it's glock. bomb proof
 

kennith

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bomb proof

I've seen one break and had one break myself; admittedly due to unusual circumstances, and nothing you'd normally encounter in use, but they aren't immune to damage. Any polymer pistol would have broken. They just happened to be Glocks.

Anything can fail if put through enough punishment.

These are tough pistols, but much like the AK, they won't live up to the legend that's been built around them if one pushes them to that point.

They are still good bush pistols, though; perhaps some of the best. Very popular, for many of the reasons people quote, and would certainly fit the requested bill in this thread.

I'm glad you mentioned the accuracy (precision, really), because it's surprisingly good. Still, most pistols are precise enough for most people. I've only found one that was less precise than me, and it was defective. Every other pistol I've handled could out-shoot anything I'm capable of.

I'll also note that while it's not the brightest in the world, the control design of the Glock weapon light is perhaps the best I've ever used. An X300 is superior from a light perspective, but that Glock unit is simply a far better design.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

mike97d1

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I'm glad you mentioned the accuracy (precision, really), because it's surprisingly good. Still, most pistols are precise enough for most people. I've only found one that was less precise than me, and it was defective. Every other pistol I've handled could out-shoot anything I'm capable of.


I'm not saying that this pertains to you, cause obviously I don't know you, but most pistols are very accurate. People that complain about the accuracy of their pistol are usually the problem and not the gun. The shooters trigger pull and sight picture are usually to blame. "Shooting Missology" and "Fighting Pistol" by James Yeager of Tactical Response are good videos to watch.
 

brian4d

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I'll also note that while it's not the brightest in the world, the control design of the Glock weapon light is perhaps the best I've ever used. An X300 is superior from a light perspective, but that Glock unit is simply a far better design.

Cheers,

Kennith

Kennith, I thought about the GLOCK brand light and laser but price and using the rail are limiting factors for me. The innerspring laser sight and no light may be the direction I go. Were you able to holster (or find a holster) that will work with the rail occupied?
 

Ballah06

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Kennith, I thought about the GLOCK brand light and laser but price and using the rail are limiting factors for me. The innerspring laser sight and no light may be the direction I go. Were you able to holster (or find a holster) that will work with the rail occupied?

Have not used my laser/light combo on a G19 with the holster, but a quick Google reveals a few options. Of course the specific version one may want, based on retention, draw, etc. preferences may have to be looked for a bit harder.

http://www.amazon.com/Tactical-light-laser-holster-level/dp/B00C2S9QZS

http://www.gunholstersunlimited.com...gle_shopping&gclid=CPO-zInOm8QCFcsjgQodu1cAgw
 

1920SF

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Kennith, I thought about the GLOCK brand light and laser but price and using the rail are limiting factors for me. The innerspring laser sight and no light may be the direction I go. Were you able to holster (or find a holster) that will work with the rail occupied?

Increasingly I'm seeing them on the market for the surefire lights-which is what I went with since I've trusted them for many other applications and Glock does great pistols but I was skeptical of their lights.

Another option is making your own if you want kydex. Trial and error, but it's yours to modify as you see fit. That's what I'm using at the moment, older shot but you get the point.


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