Hell's Revenge Ride Videos

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Got back from a trip to Moab, UT last week. Since I brought my dirt bikes and RZR I only was able to get to one trail in my Discovery as I spent time with those as well. Thought I would share some videos...

Hot Tub - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6i0p-d1qb0

Hell's Gate - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mueKZiGGnhs

Little Climb - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY1PKK_2rEA

Tip Over Challenge - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAOMgxgo95U

Before I hit this trail we were just driving on dirt roads and something very interesting happened. The battery shifted in the tray and the positive terminal cable got wedged under a flange on the radiator. It wore through the cable and sent a positive charge to an oil cooler pipe. The thing heated up and ignited - the stainless braiding was literally glowing like a hot poker and it was flaring flames at the connections. Some fast thinking by a friend of mine had him slowly cool the line with water bottles so it didn't completely explode and flame up. Had new lines over-nighted, fixed it, then hit Hell's Revenge the next day.

Tom
 
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There was some pucker going on. However, riding around on top of the fins when they turned when it was hard to see where the path was vs sudden death was probably the worst.

I switched over to my RZR for the last 2 miles of it and it was so much easier to drive than the Discovery with the full visibility. I can see why so many folks were there in side by sides versus trucks. They actually let people just rent and drive right out. Of course, they do all the bypasses for anything hairy on the guided tour.
 
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RVR OVR said:
Before I hit this trail we were just driving on dirt roads and something very interesting happened. The battery shifted in the tray and the positive terminal cable got wedged under a flange on the radiator. It wore through the cable and sent a positive charge to an oil cooler pipe. The thing heated up and ignited - the stainless braiding was literally glowing like a hot poker and it was flaring flames at the connections. Some fast thinking by a friend of mine had him slowly cool the line with water bottles so it didn't completely explode and flame up. Had new lines over-nighted, fixed it, then hit Hell's Revenge the next day.
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That's a classic old-school DWeb-style story if there ever was one.
 
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ukoffroad said:
Hells Gate looked a bit puckery.
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I think the lack of lockers or traction control combined with low travel suspension probably didn't help things any. Basically he was trying to push himself up that ledge with 1 wheel. I've seen videos of LR3's walking up that same section without spinning a wheel on street tires.

Not saying it's not a scary section. I've also seen videos of keeps going end of end down that section. Just saying it would have been a lot less scary with an equipped truck.
 
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Buddy said:
I think the lack of lockers or traction control combined with low travel suspension probably didn't help things any. Basically he was trying to push himself up that ledge with 1 wheel. I've seen videos of LR3's walking up that same section without spinning a wheel on street tires.

Not saying it's not a scary section. I've also seen videos of keeps going end of end down that section. Just saying it would have been a lot less scary with an equipped truck.
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I have a Detroit rear and Tru Trac in front. Both the rears were definitely spinning, but as you could see the, Tru Trac was not doing shit, or at least looked like it was not doing shit. I don't think the passenger side front was moving when it should. Feathering the brakes, etc didn't seem to help. This happened throughout the trail ride on other obstacles as well. Definitely not thrilled with that choice. My last Diisco had better success, maybe there is an issue with the setup or the one I had installed.

The bottom line on my little trip up the gate was I was not far enough over on the drivers side on that section. I also think I was aired down too low so my tire folded and didn't apply enough pressure to keep me perched where I needed to be to ride up so I slipped down in that crevice. Bottom line is I needed a rock flea to help me get the traction to go.

I watched plenty of videos of stock or locked vehicles going up, and stock or locked vehicles rolling down or needing a winch. Seems line selection is really the key instead of anything else.

Tom
 
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RVR OVR said:
I have a Detroit rear and Tru Trac in front. Both the rears were definitely spinning, but as you could see the, Tru Trac was not doing shit, or at least looked like it was not doing shit. I don't think the passenger side front was moving when it should. Feathering the brakes, etc didn't seem to help. This happened throughout the trail ride on other obstacles as well. Definitely not thrilled with that choice. My last Diisco had better success, maybe there is an issue with the setup or the one I had installed.
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Tru Trac's really are not great in the rocks. I've had them in several trucks and have run both a TT/DT combo like your's (actually have this in my chop top now) and also a TT/TT combo. The TT's work great with both wheels on the ground. But as soon as you lift one they become pretty useless. Brake modulation can help a little but you need to hit it just right. I've seen where traction control can help this a lot since it will only brake the spinning wheel. But for what you were doing an air locker would work a lot better.

I have two air lockers in my last truck and loved them. My current build will be running a full time locker in the rear and air locker in the front.
 
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Just like how Some Detroits are virtually silent and some are super loud, the same is true with Tru Tracs. Mine seems to "lock" up better than some of the other ones out there. I've had several times where just the slightest tap on the brake pedal would make the difference between getting over a ledge or not.
 
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Buddy said:
Tru Trac's really are not great in the rocks. I've had them in several trucks and have run both a TT/DT combo like your's (actually have this in my chop top now) and also a TT/TT combo. The TT's work great with both wheels on the ground. But as soon as you lift one they become pretty useless.
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TT front/rear, no problem going over the Crack.
 
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Scott, this dude goes wheeling for a living.
And he's insanely good at it.
... It just occurred to me that he's commenting on the transfer case mount - on the day before, I ripped ALL four mounts on Pritchett, and he allowed me to work in his garage until 2am.
 
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Mike_Rupp said:
I'll never forget Marc Olivares spotting me on Tip Over Challenge saying "this is going to put you in a funky lean". He wasn't kidding.
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I remember one of those times at least, was it 2005? With Musky? Someone broke CV on there.
 
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RVR OVR said:
I have a Detroit rear and Tru Trac in front. Both the rears were definitely spinning, but as you could see the, Tru Trac was not doing shit, or at least looked like it was not doing shit. I don't think the passenger side front was moving when it should. Feathering the brakes, etc didn't seem to help. This happened throughout the trail ride on other obstacles as well. Definitely not thrilled with that choice. My last Diisco had better success, maybe there is an issue with the setup or the one I had installed.

The bottom line on my little trip up the gate was I was not far enough over on the drivers side on that section. I also think I was aired down too low so my tire folded and didn't apply enough pressure to keep me perched where I needed to be to ride up so I slipped down in that crevice. Bottom line is I needed a rock flea to help me get the traction to go.

I watched plenty of videos of stock or locked vehicles going up, and stock or locked vehicles rolling down or needing a winch. Seems line selection is really the key instead of anything else.

Tom
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Correct at 1:00 you were WAY left. I've seen people roll there. The whole goal is to keep the vehicle level left to right, if you do, it is pretty easy, you will still lift the front.


Watching vehicles do it before your first attempt helps. DO NOT attempt with ABS active.


Airing down is over rated, do it for sure, but you do not need to be running 10 psi. More like 25.


I know he did not do it for long, but standing on sliders is a silly thing to do.
 
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