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gimebakmybulits

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Dec 11, 2013
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the defendant accepted responsibility for his unlawful conduct


What again......exactly was this "unlawful conduct"?? Oh, yeah that's right..he wasn't "truthful".

When you've got nothing else on them....but you really want to be a fucking cunt, you catch them in a "lie". Easiest fucking thing a Fed LEO can get someone on....
:patriot: You should be proud Scott.....You and the rest of the retards are going to get the kind of country you deserve if this kind of fuckery continues.
 

brian4d

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Dec 3, 2007
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Whatever it takes to impeach Trump. Now, just think about that and let it sink in.

Alas, I think we’re at a point we just want to make Trump look bad, sadly, it’s where we are right now. Or, if you really think about it, it’s where we are every time a stupid republican president takes office. As the ny post points out, the only good republican president is a dead republican president.
 

Blue

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Mar 26, 2004
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God damn, trying to carry on a discussion with you is like trying to reason with a child.
 

SGaynor

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Dec 6, 2006
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Cue the Trumpets saying Cohen acted all on his own...


New Mueller filing says Trump?s ex-lawyer Michael Cohen was in touch with a Russian seeking ?political synergy? with campaign


The special counsel?s office credited Cohen with significant cooperation ? including providing ?useful information concerning certain discrete Russia-related matters core to its investigation that he obtained by virtue of his regular contact? with Trump organization executives during the campaign, as well as ?relevant and useful information concerning his contacts with persons connected to the White House during the 2017?2018 time period.?

They revealed that Cohen told them of what seemed to be a previously unknown November 2015 contact from a Russian national, who claimed to be a ?trusted person? in the Russian Federation offering the campaign ?political synergy? and ?synergy on a government level.?
Cohen told investigators the person, who was not identified, repeatedly proposed a meeting between Trump and Russian President Vladi*mir Putin, saying that such a meeting could have a ?phenomenal? impact, ?not only in political but in a business dimension as well,? the special counsel?s office wrote.
 

brian4d

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Dec 3, 2007
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Cue the Trumpets saying Cohen acted all on his own...


New Mueller filing says Trump?s ex-lawyer Michael Cohen was in touch with a Russian seeking ?political synergy? with campaign


The special counsel?s office credited Cohen with significant cooperation ? including providing ?useful information concerning certain discrete Russia-related matters core to its investigation that he obtained by virtue of his regular contact? with Trump organization executives during the campaign, as well as ?relevant and useful information concerning his contacts with persons connected to the White House during the 2017?2018 time period.?

They revealed that Cohen told them of what seemed to be a previously unknown November 2015 contact from a Russian national, who claimed to be a ?trusted person? in the Russian Federation offering the campaign ?political synergy? and ?synergy on a government level.?
Cohen told investigators the person, who was not identified, repeatedly proposed a meeting between Trump and Russian President Vladi*mir Putin, saying that such a meeting could have a ?phenomenal? impact, ?not only in political but in a business dimension as well,? the special counsel?s office wrote.
Putin? That you?
 

ERover82

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This friction involving chuckles, trump lying, labeled childish, getting the country you deserve, etc is interesting. To his supporters, lying, collusion, being crude, and infidelity is irrelevant as long as he is implementing supported policies. To impose the traditional values that would have destroyed previous officials, leads to being labeled childish for not realizing that ends justify the means, or that leadership is messy and sometimes you need an asshole to get things done. What happens if America crucifies Trump? We?ll have collectively screwed up the most effective agent of conservative policy implementation in recent history. The democrats will get the genderfluid, Evoque driving, socialist snowflake they deserve, and the rest of us will watch as the country goes down in flames.
 

Blue

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Come sit on Uncle Joe's lap and tell him what you want for Christmas....maybe bounce a bit while you're on his lap, he likes it like that.
 

SGaynor

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Here ya go Brian. A nice summary.

https://www.axios.com/trump-russia-mueller-investigation-37608752-bef7-4b25-a7dd-89e3032bec7e.html

  • We now know several Russian officials reached out to a half-dozen Republicans very close to Trump and his campaign, including his eldest son, his closest adviser, his lawyer and his campaign manager. We now know they took the meetings, often enthusiastically, during and after the campaign.
  • We now know Russia offered in those chats campaign assistance ? ?synergy,? they called it. We now know no one around Trump alerted the FBI of this effort to subvert our elections.
  • We now know that 12 Russian intelligence officers were indicted for hacking the DNC and systematically releasing material for the purpose of hurting the Clinton campaign via WikiLeaks.
  • We know that Trump associates Roger Stone and Jerome Corsi attempted ? successfully, in some instances ? to get in touch with WikiLeaks and that they are under investigation for whether they had advance knowledge about the email dumps.
  • We now know Donald Trump Jr. and others took a meeting with Russians promising dirt on Hillary Clinton. We now know Don Jr., when approached with the promise of dirt, wrote: ?If it?s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.?
  • We now know Trump was negotiating a Trump property in Moscow during the presidential campaign ? and hid this from the public and lied about it. We now know Mueller believes, based on his court filing, the ?Moscow Project was a lucrative business opportunity that sought, and likely required, the assistance of the Russian government.?
  • We now know every arm of the U.S. intelligence community concluded Russia sought to systematically influence the election outcome. We now know this was an unanimous conclusion, save one dissent: Trump.
  • We now know Trump officials continued talking with the Russians during the post-election transition. We now know Jared Kushner and Jeff Sessions failed to initially disclose any contacts with Russians on their government forms.
  • We now know Jared Kushner suggested a secret backchannel with the Russians, which had it happened, would have been free of U.S. eavesdropping.
  • We now know Trump soured on FBI director James Comey, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and White House counsel Don McGahn in part over their handling of the probe.
  • We now know Paul Manafort, who ran the Trump campaign in the summer of 2016, lied about his Russia contacts, was indicted and is going to jail.
  • We now know Flynn lied about his Russian contacts, was fired and pleaded guilty, after agreeing to become a key witness in the investigation.
  • We now know Cohen lied about his Russian contacts, was indicted and then flipped to become a key witness against Trump.
 

brian4d

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Dec 3, 2007
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Here ya go Brian. A nice summary.

https://www.axios.com/trump-russia-mueller-investigation-37608752-bef7-4b25-a7dd-89e3032bec7e.html

  • We now know several Russian officials reached out to a half-dozen Republicans very close to Trump and his campaign, including his eldest son, his closest adviser, his lawyer and his campaign manager. We now know they took the meetings, often enthusiastically, during and after the campaign.
  • We now know Russia offered in those chats campaign assistance ? ?synergy,? they called it. We now know no one around Trump alerted the FBI of this effort to subvert our elections.
  • We now know that 12 Russian intelligence officers were indicted for hacking the DNC and systematically releasing material for the purpose of hurting the Clinton campaign via WikiLeaks.
  • We know that Trump associates Roger Stone and Jerome Corsi attempted ? successfully, in some instances ? to get in touch with WikiLeaks and that they are under investigation for whether they had advance knowledge about the email dumps.
  • We now know Donald Trump Jr. and others took a meeting with Russians promising dirt on Hillary Clinton. We now know Don Jr., when approached with the promise of dirt, wrote: ?If it?s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.?
  • We now know Trump was negotiating a Trump property in Moscow during the presidential campaign ? and hid this from the public and lied about it. We now know Mueller believes, based on his court filing, the ?Moscow Project was a lucrative business opportunity that sought, and likely required, the assistance of the Russian government.?
  • We now know every arm of the U.S. intelligence community concluded Russia sought to systematically influence the election outcome. We now know this was an unanimous conclusion, save one dissent: Trump.
  • We now know Trump officials continued talking with the Russians during the post-election transition. We now know Jared Kushner and Jeff Sessions failed to initially disclose any contacts with Russians on their government forms.
  • We now know Jared Kushner suggested a secret backchannel with the Russians, which had it happened, would have been free of U.S. eavesdropping.
  • We now know Trump soured on FBI director James Comey, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and White House counsel Don McGahn in part over their handling of the probe.
  • We now know Paul Manafort, who ran the Trump campaign in the summer of 2016, lied about his Russia contacts, was indicted and is going to jail.
  • We now know Flynn lied about his Russian contacts, was fired and pleaded guilty, after agreeing to become a key witness in the investigation.
  • We now know Cohen lied about his Russian contacts, was indicted and then flipped to become a key witness against Trump.
Yawn. you may want to revisit this. Andrew McCabe and the rest of the FBI didn't think Flynn lied. In fact they urged him to interview without representation, and the fool complied. that's right, ALWAYS trust the Government Scott. I know you do. You hold them all very close. Kinda weird and bizare at the same time. Robot like.
 

SGaynor

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Dec 6, 2006
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Yawn. you may want to revisit this. Andrew McCabe and the rest of the FBI didn't think Flynn lied. In fact they urged him to interview without representation, and the fool complied. that's right, ALWAYS trust the Government Scott. I know you do. You hold them all very close. Kinda weird and bizare at the same time. Robot like.
Jesus. Do you read what you write?

The FBI wanted to interview someone without their lawyer present (Shocker!!! :eek:), and that means he didn't lie...Yet, he pleaded guilty to just that.

Oh, and Trump said he fired Flynn for lying to the FBI. I guess the Great Cheeto was actually wrong then???

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies. It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/937007006526959618?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 2, 2017</a></blockquote>
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You are a very confused man.:drool:

But go ahead...keep insisting that Trump, Trump Jr, and NO ONE on the Trump team ever met with Russian agents. At least you're consistent in that - you've said from the beginning that no one on Trump's team met with Russians.
 

ukoffroad

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Jan 13, 2010
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I do not think there is any acceptable level of proof for the hardcore Trump fans at this point. So many people around him pleading guilty to things, and he is magically immune to it all.
 

brian4d

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Dec 3, 2007
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High Point, NC
I do not think there is any acceptable level of proof for the hardcore Trump fans at this point. So many people around him pleading guilty to things, and he is magically immune to it all.
Guilty of everything but big bad Russian Collusion. Now, what crime?

There is an acceptable level of ignorance surrounding this issue but I assure you it's not on the Trump side.
 

Blue

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Mar 26, 2004
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I do not think there is any acceptable level of proof for the hardcore Trump fans at this point. So many people around him pleading guilty to things, and he is magically immune to it all.
In all seriousness, what do you think he is guilty of? Do you actually think he secretly conspired with the Russians to rig our election in his favor somehow? Or did he ask them for help smearing Hillary or something similar so he could win? Did he (Trump), or his agents, promise Putin favors if Putin got him elected?

I'm not a hardcore Trump fan by any means....I voted for him and I support a lot of his policies, but I'm not some diehard Trump-is-always-right guy at all. I've tried to look at his whole Russian Collusion issue objectively and I just can't see what the whole uproar is all about.

Did Donny-boy meat with the Russian chick to try to get dirt on old Hillary? Sure he did, anyone would have had that meeting. Was it illegal? I really don't think so, unless there is some obscure campaign law amongst thousands of pages of federal rules & regulations that I'm blissfully unaware of.

Did Trump and his boys meet with Russians before he was a candidate and probably even while he was a candidate? Yes, it looks like they did. What was the purpose of the meetings? By all accounts the purpose was exploring development of a Trump Tower in Russia and the plans were eventually terminated. Was that illegal? Of course not.

Or was the Trump Tower meetings just a cover for nefarious scheming to overthrow Hillary's campaign? I doubt it...what could Russian & Trump collusion really do to affect the election? I think Hillary's baggage, particularly the illegal private server and email debacle, had the logical negative effect and she lost the election despite being magically exonerated by the feds. I think everything else since then (e.g. Mueller probe) is just smoke & mirrors to get back at that asshole Trump for actually winning.