How quickly it can go pear shaped....lack of articulation and indepenant all round does not help...
http://au.youtube. com/watch? v=GeYmDOzoibk
http://au.youtube. com/watch? v=GeYmDOzoibk
How not to reverse down a rutted hill...in a Pajero/Montero
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It may have been helpfull had he had a spotter to help with the reversing.......
nice sounding engine though......
nice sounding engine though......
He was doin fine....until the driver just locked the brakes. In that situation, it would have been better to blip the throttle in reverse to 'outrun' gravity pulling it over. Oh well. Most of us have been there, just hardly have rolled, sucks for the Pajero.
I used to have a '01 Montero like that one. It was VERY good off-road.
Lots of wheel travel, good ground clearance and everything is tucked up inside the "frame". (uni-body)
Sucks for that guy, he should have turned his wheels the other way.
Hope nobody got hurt.
Lots of wheel travel, good ground clearance and everything is tucked up inside the "frame". (uni-body)
Sucks for that guy, he should have turned his wheels the other way.
Hope nobody got hurt.
HOW! did that happen....????????????????????????????
not at all how things are done safely or properly and only good example or lesson that should be taken from this IS how quickly things can indeed turn bad in the type of arena where we here at the dweb love to play...but i do fail to see the tech here too.
not at all how things are done safely or properly and only good example or lesson that should be taken from this IS how quickly things can indeed turn bad in the type of arena where we here at the dweb love to play...but i do fail to see the tech here too.
azarmadillo said:
I have recovered trucks in worse places...if you have the correct equipment and enough of it thats not that tough a deal.
what happened here is actually pretty easy to prevent.
when ever you are climbing in ruts you need to pay attention to the position you are in when you stop, and adjust it before you stop if you are crossed up.
from where the video starts he had allready failed to summit the section and as he failed I would bet that he spun his tires and turned the front wheels causing the truck to cross up over the ruts. from this position the next motion backwards if it is taken slowly causes the the rear drivers side tire to drop into a deep rut causing the front passenger tire to raise and because of the extreme slope the video dosent show very well he rolls and from there gravity takes over.
In areas where the soil is soft any steep hill will after much travel develope ruts so knowing how to deal with them is a key technique to learn. driving straight up them is not the best method. The technique of choice is to drive very mild serpentine turns as climb by see-sawing the steering a very small amount. just as a skier turns while coming down a ski trail. this very small action will increase your traction and control by a dramatic amount. what else it does is prevent you from getting severely crossed up because you are alwasy turning.
If you start to loose momentum and it becomes clear you will not summit you then want to look for the best spot on the hill to change directions, I am not saying stop, stopping cause a dramatic weight shit and when you try to hold traction on a steeo slope you then open yourself up to sliding and thats where you get severly crossed up and risk rolling. when you change direction you want to be as striaght up and down the fall line of the hill as possible and you want to do it as smooth as possible by rolling off the power and rotating your body in your seat and start looking backwards down the hill. This is where the ruts will help you because when you are not under power the ruts will help guide your tires.
one last trick that can help alot is when you brake traction and start to spin to a stop. this is often where people turn the steering wheel looking for traction(as I bet this guy did) just as turning the wheel one way will get you heavily crossed up turning the wheel just a bit the other way will cause the tires to work right back into the ruts and this will put you in a great place to roll off the power and start your descent.
Hope this helps someone avoid what the Pajero went through.
echoing what Thom says, if you get in trouble going backward or forward the best thing to do is left off the break and go with momentum. Keep the wheel straight and 'gently' go with it. It's not an easy thing to do in the moment cuz it seems to go against what you should be doing. Takes practice.
In this case, spotter could of prevented this 100%.
In this case, spotter could of prevented this 100%.
OK-this part could be considered technical-[the recovery]-
that truck should pretty easily be able to get itself out of the post rollover situation but obviously the driver who performed the trick to get it there will have to step out -watch, and learn....................
note: a tie off -for safety might be helpful and kick out the windshield
[i am assuming its wasted] AND STRANGLE THE LIVING SHIT FIRST OUT OF YOUR FRIENDS WHO WERE STANDING AROUND WITH THIER FINGERS UP THEIR ASS -for good measure and to feel better about the whole event. The redneck suzuki jump of a prior thread i'll even have to admit was a much better handling off offroad driving skill and safety....[worth searching to view for those who have not seen]
that truck should pretty easily be able to get itself out of the post rollover situation but obviously the driver who performed the trick to get it there will have to step out -watch, and learn....................
note: a tie off -for safety might be helpful and kick out the windshield
[i am assuming its wasted] AND STRANGLE THE LIVING SHIT FIRST OUT OF YOUR FRIENDS WHO WERE STANDING AROUND WITH THIER FINGERS UP THEIR ASS -for good measure and to feel better about the whole event. The redneck suzuki jump of a prior thread i'll even have to admit was a much better handling off offroad driving skill and safety....[worth searching to view for those who have not seen]
It actually did take them 19 hours. But I agree, seems a long time to me.MUSKYMAN said:
Here's the full story:
http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=1280
yeah I read that...19 hours? with trees all over to hook up to?
might have taken them 12 hours to get to it in a tow truck...LOL
I once recovered a truck that had rolled down a hill and wedged against a tree, the hill was so steep that the truck was off the ground against the tree. We ended up using straps above the truck in the tree it was against to lift it up as another winch pulled it up the hill.
At the time I had a ramsey hydraulic winch off a garbage truck that with the PTO pump was rated at 20k with 1/2' cable. that sucker could pull The secret to these kind of recoveries is having more then one winch working on it. very often you need pull in 2 directions at once because you cant get to the perfect spot for a simple single line pull.
might have taken them 12 hours to get to it in a tow truck...LOL
I once recovered a truck that had rolled down a hill and wedged against a tree, the hill was so steep that the truck was off the ground against the tree. We ended up using straps above the truck in the tree it was against to lift it up as another winch pulled it up the hill.
At the time I had a ramsey hydraulic winch off a garbage truck that with the PTO pump was rated at 20k with 1/2' cable. that sucker could pull
The secret to these kind of recoveries is having more then one winch working on it. very often you need pull in 2 directions at once because you cant get to the perfect spot for a simple single line pull.only 19 hrs?
tow truck companies bill hourly on winching and off rd recoveries...
as a tow truck owner and former tow company owner let me say i'd bitched if one of my guys got that truck as fast as they did...
once insurance agrees or i get dum dum to sign my ticket-i can charge whatever basically -as my deal -and they'll pay storage too as i get lien against the truck...my tow bills alone have totalled many vehicles as insurance adds it in to damages and will only allow so much before it goes. As recoverys go- that did not impress me as a very tough one at all to say the least...i prob wouldve drove the truck out and still charged in full for the recovery........
using the guys he had helping in the first place not suggested...
tow truck companies bill hourly on winching and off rd recoveries...
as a tow truck owner and former tow company owner let me say i'd bitched if one of my guys got that truck as fast as they did...
once insurance agrees or i get dum dum to sign my ticket-i can charge whatever basically -as my deal -and they'll pay storage too as i get lien against the truck...my tow bills alone have totalled many vehicles as insurance adds it in to damages and will only allow so much before it goes. As recoverys go- that did not impress me as a very tough one at all to say the least...i prob wouldve drove the truck out and still charged in full for the recovery........
using the guys he had helping in the first place not suggested...
whenever I climb any steep hill, we always hooked a winchline from a vehicle at the top to the front of the vehicles going up. kept light tension on the line to prevent a roll over.
I never go first however.
I never go first however.
