INEOS Grenadier

Blue

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I love how my wife's car plays ear-piercing beeps and flashes all sorts of warning light as we pull into, or out of, the garage because we are obviously going to careen like madmen at 0.5 mph into the cabinets or the front wall of the garage. Or if I don't immediately put my seatbelt on the chime increases in intensity until you go insane and want to jam a screwdriver into you ear canals.

I was pleasantly surprised when I realized that replacing the rear bumper on my LR4 effectively killed the park distance control front & rear. I get one annoying beep on startup telling me it's not working and then I don't have to listen to shit. Back before I replaced the rear bumper I had to get warnings about every obstacle in front of me when I went to back out of a parking spot. I'm in reverse you moron, why do I care about a bush or car in front of me?
 
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Tugela

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I'm in reverse you moron, why do I care about a bush or car in front of me?

I used to wonder about this, too, as my LR3 does the same (thankfully a dash button allows me to disable parking sensor alerts, at least until I shut the engine off). My theory was that if you're not reversing straight back, there's a chance you could clip the front of the vehicle on something. The classic scenario: you're looking over your right shoulder as you reverse and hit something with the front left corner. That was my thought, then I just pushed the button to stop the beeping and at that point I didn't care enough to research it further.
 

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A serious LR4 engine job starts with removal of the body from the frame.
Wow! As mentioned my take is on older Rovers. Kinda reminds me though when we owned Blueboy Series IIa 109 that ECR restored and stuffed a 3.9 V8 in the engine bay. ECR designed it so to change out the clutch/ pressure plate the shop could easily hoist the engine out. And exactly what the the LR dealer did in OK when it was necessary.
Lifting the body off sounds extreme!
 

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I used to wonder about this, too, as my LR3 does the same (thankfully a dash button allows me to disable parking sensor alerts, at least until I shut the engine off). My theory was that if you're not reversing straight back, there's a chance you could clip the front of the vehicle on something. The classic scenario: you're looking over your right shoulder as you reverse and hit something with the front left corner. That was my thought, then I just pushed the button to stop the beeping and at that point I didn't care enough to research it further.
The wife's XC60 is the same, and I think that is why as well.
 

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This thread took a turn to the general conversation bucket. :)

Anyone else have a deposit down on this? I put my $450 down way back when and haven't decided what I am going to do. I am waiting for the drive event this May in Chicago and pricing before I make a final decision. As I posted earlier, it doesn't seem I wil gain enough capability over my Sequoia to go through with it. The major point of conention being size/third row seating that I have access to when I need it. Too bad there is not at least a jump seat option.

I wish I could take my wife out of her 2 door and into this to have one in the family, but that would be near impossible. Unfortunately, I am not big time enough to sell my 95 Disco and have this become the "toy" that we drive occasionally.
 

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How's that a factor? There are tiedown points and even entire L-track of sorts along the cargo compartment. You can find and fit any jump seats you want.
Interesting....Didn't really think an aftermarket option applied. I like it. Got any links of well-known ones that would apply? I have to check measurments, I was assuming any adult woud not have the necessary head room back there. When I spend time at the dunes I normally have to full the Sequioa to capacity for the short trip from the house into the dunes/beach then everyone hops out. If I could do jump seats that are easy in/out for that scenario, it would be cool.
 

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"The Grenadier currently comes in three trims. There’s a base Grenadier trim. And there are two special edition trims, the Trialmaster and the Fieldmaster. The Trialmaster is an extreme off-roading edition outfitted with features like front and rear locking differentials, BF Goodrich All-Terrain TA K02 tires and a raised air intake. The Fieldmaster is more of a luxury and tech trim with heated seats.
You may have noticed that Trialmaster and Fieldmaster are Belstaff jackets. That’s not coincidental. Jim Ratcliffe owns Belstaff. And the corresponding jacket is included when you order a special edition trim."

Not sure if this has been discussed, if so sorry. Thought some here might be interested.
 

Tugela

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That's a nice touch, but I'm not going to decide which version of the Grenadier to buy based on what kind of jacket comes with it. In fact, that won't enter into my calculus at all. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a cross-pollination of branding. Ineos has several hundred millions of pounds to recoup on this investment and lifestyle accessories have high profit margins.

Land Rover banked heavily on this strategy 10-15 years ago, selling everything from branded rugged cell phones to picnic hampers to kayaks. It's automotive marketing 101. Unsurprisingly, this was crap, but somebody paid $800 for it at the time:

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DiscoHasBeen

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What stood out to me was the word "extreme" and was that the authors or was it implied by the manufacturer. Because what they listed doesn't speak extreme to me. Now add a 3" lift, 33-35" tires, HD front bumper with winch, etc. That speaks extreme, not some half ass snorkel and a jacket. And this mook is wanting to honor the Defender badge. Seems he headed there, then took a u-turn towards the 2020 Defender.
 

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What stood out to me was the word "extreme" and was that the authors or was it implied by the manufacturer. Because what they listed doesn't speak extreme to me. Now add a 3" lift, 33-35" tires, HD front bumper with winch, etc. That speaks extreme, not some half ass snorkel and a jacket. And this mook is wanting to honor the Defender badge. Seems he headed there, then took a u-turn towards the 2020 Defender.

I saw one article with a throwaway line about how they will make a luxury version of the Grenadier, in addition to a stretched version with a third row. There was no sourcing for the claims though.
 

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Is that BMW shifter the final production form? I hope not. Such a simple item but also a key interactive piece of the driving experience. Seems a shame to overlook an opportunity for individuality and just leave what is clearly a BMW shifter in place. Or maybe it's not such a simple item to make your own and that's why it's there. Still, how cool would it be to have a black knob somewhat matching the t-case shifter.

The underside looks like everything is tucked away nicely, except the steering stabilizer. That will get crunched.

Did they let you fold down the rear seats? Curious to see what the interior is like with rear seats folded flat, or folded up, or whatever they do.

The rear doors seem pretty cool, but why not just make them 50/50? It's not like the 60/40 arrangement is providing a clear view to the rear. I like the idea of a rear overhead canopy providing shelter over the rear opening and the two doors providing some side shelter. The upper & lower tailgates on the LR4 are OK and the lower provides a nice work area, but trying to get into the back of the cargo area with the lower tailgate down is always a pain. Also odd that the 60/40 rear doors are opposite the 60/40 rear seat arrangement. Someone wasn't paying attention.

I'm looking forward to checking these things out myself here in AZ in a couple weeks. The area they chose is on the way up to Crown King and actually has some real off-road worthy trails....if they decide to let us on them.
 

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The shifter was discussed a lot in the various facebook forums I was following for a bit. It is here to stay.
 

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The rear doors seem pretty cool, but why not just make them 50/50? It's not like the 60/40 arrangement is providing a clear view to the rear. I like the idea of a rear overhead canopy providing shelter over the rear opening and the two doors providing some side shelter. The upper & lower tailgates on the LR4 are OK and the lower provides a nice work area, but trying to get into the back of the cargo area with the lower tailgate down is always a pain. Also odd that the 60/40 rear doors are opposite the 60/40 rear seat arrangement. Someone wasn't paying attention.
IIRC, the doors are 30/70. It is providing a reasonably clear view to the rear, and better than in a D1 with the rear door clearly designed for RHD.
Didn't do anything with the rear seats; the battery (or batteries) are in the seat bases.
The steering damper is higher than the diff (unlike RRC/D1), and behind the drag link - so I doubt it is too vulnerable.
 
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