Kneeling NFL players

aliastel

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Way to disrespect the country that has afforded you with the ability to kneel during the national anthem. Fuckin pieces of shit.

Guess you've forgotten about the First Amendment and events like the Boston Tea Party and Boston Massacre which led to the Fathers demanding the First Amendment. The right to peacefully protest is given to all Americans. That's why we are different here.
 
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So your protesting the flag and national anthem which stand for the very rights you are protesting? That's like protesting gun control by shooting someone.
 

aliastel

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So your protesting the flag and national anthem which stand for the very rights you are protesting? That's like protesting gun control by shooting someone.

That's my very point. The Founding Fathers expressly wanted us to be able to protest our own government and country to keep it in check when we personally feel as citizens that it is in error. I consider kneeling a pretty peaceful way of protesting.
 

seventyfive

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Like I posted, every player and staff should've stood at the 50 yard line and stood at attention. They played right into trumps hands. Takes the attention off him and if it creates some more division he could care less. In fact it helps solidify his reelection.

I interpret the NFL's reaction as a fuck you to trump not the flag...but they fucked up because they collectively have the critical thinking skills, regarding anything but reading an offensive line, of a 3 year old.
 

aliastel

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If we're going to allow things like burning the President of the United States in effigy. Or flying Nazi flags which so many of our servicemen died to defeat, then this is pretty mild.
 

aliastel

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You're probably rite. I forget that these are my ignorant, concussed neanderthals.

That's the greatest thing about this great country of ours, we all get to exercise our freedoms, even those we don't agree with, even electing a draft-dodging, silver spoon sucking, orange orangutan as POTUS. God Bless America! There's something we can all agree with!
 

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The players coming out for the national anthem as I understand it, was started as a payed exercise in advertising for the US military about 10 years ago.
 

fishEH

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Guess you've forgotten about the First Amendment and events like the Boston Tea Party and Boston Massacre which led to the Fathers demanding the First Amendment. The right to peacefully protest is given to all Americans. That's why we are different here.

They don't have first amendment rights while being paid by their employer.
My employer certainly wouldn't allow politcal protest on comany time. Hell, I'm actually not allowed to sit while out in the public eye.
 

aliastel

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They don't have first amendment rights while being paid by their employer.
My employer certainly wouldn't allow politcal protest on comany time. Hell, I'm actually not allowed to sit while out in the public eye.

That's up to employer. Freedom man, freedom. . .
 

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They don't have first amendment rights while being paid by their employer.
They most certainly have their First Amendment rights on or off the job.

It's a different subject entirely whether it is ethical to use a very public forum provided by their employer to express their political views, and most employers would disapprove. But NFL's like Hollywood.

I honestly can't grasp the significance of the whole thing. Is it patriotic to sing a national anthem before the game? Yes it is. Would it be unpatriotic not to sing it? No, it wouldn't be. It is just much a recent tradition as "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Would I consider a good taste to stand up during the anthem? Yes I would. But if somebody doesn't - I don't know the reasons and I couldn't care less.
 

seventyfive

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They don't have first amendment rights while being paid by their employer.
My employer certainly wouldn't allow politcal protest on comany time. Hell, I'm actually not allowed to sit while out in the public eye.

You still have the choice as long as you accept accountability. You always have a choice If my employer told me I can not sit down I would tell my employer to go fuck them self. I didn't earn two combat ribbons so employers can act like tyrants.
 

fishEH

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Let me rephrase. One ALWAYS has a choice and their First Amendment Rights. If you do it while on the job your employer has the right to enforce discipline up to and including termination.
I work in public works and when we're out on a job(side of the road type exposure) sitting is not allowed, and for good reason. I get paid decent money so if I'm required to stand then so be it. It does not pose a risk to my health or life and it certainly doesn't violate my rights. Requiring football players to stand during the national anthem is no different.

And thank you for your service, Mike.