Looking at a 2013 LR4 - main areas of concern?
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Coils, injectors, timing chain and components same I would guess. Water pump same, sensors and solinoids probably the same. Not 100% sure about the supercharger nose cone, I'm guessing same. For sure all the ancelaries are the same, p/s pump, a/c compressor, alternator is same I would think.
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Im pretty sure I read (I think it was on DWeb even?) it was cheaper to make all V8 blocks and tub-stop them, than have separate runs of V6 &V8.
Given the relatively low production run I guess I can see that. I keep thinking back to the old GM 4.3 V6 which was the 5.7 V8 with two cylinders hacked off. Obviously much higher production runs on those.
Sorry to derail - let us know what route you went with the one in SLC
Sorry to derail - let us know what route you went with the one in SLC
Look at the GM engine sizes from like 2001. V8's were 4.4 and 4 cyl engines were 2.2. That's just more of the same shit. It was all 4 cylinders in a bank, all holes the same size. That was to save money for sure.
Someone please school me on the LR4’s “HD package”. Is there truly an HD Package or option? I’m still talking about 2013 and previous (V8 model).
Is there anything more to HD package than rear locker and full size spare?
Do they ALL have locking center diff and low range?
Asking because I think I may have to give up on finding one with a rear locker. I don’t care about the spare - I’ll be getting five 18” aftermarket wheels anyway.
Is offroad ability still good with traction control and no rear locker? I had an ARB rear in my ‘96 Disco and it made all the difference in the world. On my D2 with traction control I’ve never really missed a rear locker.
Is there anything more to HD package than rear locker and full size spare?
Do they ALL have locking center diff and low range?
Asking because I think I may have to give up on finding one with a rear locker. I don’t care about the spare - I’ll be getting five 18” aftermarket wheels anyway.
Is offroad ability still good with traction control and no rear locker? I had an ARB rear in my ‘96 Disco and it made all the difference in the world. On my D2 with traction control I’ve never really missed a rear locker.
If you think the TC is good in a D2 it’s a whole different level in the 4. I wheeled with a 4 that has same tires as me but did have the rear locker. He may have had a bit of an easier time than me but it wasn’t too obvious if it was. If you’re going to be doing some serious off roading it would be preferred but a non locker is plenty capable.
IIRC all had low range until the V6 became an option but someone else can confirm that.
IIRC all had low range until the V6 became an option but someone else can confirm that.
I won’t be doing any serious rock crawling in this LR4. But I do encounter a lot of loose sand, gravel, rocks, ruts, etc. when I’m getting to my camping spots. The D2 has always worked fine. I put an ARB compressor in the back of my D2 when I first bought it with plans to install a rear ARB locker but I never felt the need to after actually wheeling it. I’ve heard that the traction in the stock LR4 is pretty damn good.
Bill, for whatever it's worth.
Traction control in an LR4 is insanely good compared to things of old - mine had no problem walking up cross-axled stuff that I'd think twice before attempting in my D1. So a rear locker, while nice, would not be a factor in my purchase decision. Neither is full-size spare - rims are aplenty and cheap.
Plastic crossover coolant pipes MUST be replaced for a 2013, nearly regardless of mileage. They just crumble. It is not difficult to replace, but a lot of work.
IIRC, it was done on my LR4 around 95-100kmi mark.
Timing chains - I'm listening to my LR4's engine whenever I am driving it or whenever my wife fires it up on her way to work. Don't remember the exact mileage - my guess is 117kmi - but I owned it since 17kmi, and never had more than 5kmi between the oil changes.
EAS - still on original airbags and Hitachi compressor (it's an early 2010). Had a couple of small issues, so I carry a spare pump and hoses in the truck.
LCA bushings - the replacement bushings seem to last 2 years/20kmi max. A shitty design coupled with shittier quality.
But... going up a 6% slope with 6 adults / full complement of ski gear at 8k ft - 80mph in the 6th gear, and 16 mpg overall. I almost drove it over the Imogene Pass in high range - only noticed that the gears are lower than I thought they should be and engine RPM a little higher.
Traction control in an LR4 is insanely good compared to things of old - mine had no problem walking up cross-axled stuff that I'd think twice before attempting in my D1. So a rear locker, while nice, would not be a factor in my purchase decision. Neither is full-size spare - rims are aplenty and cheap.
Plastic crossover coolant pipes MUST be replaced for a 2013, nearly regardless of mileage. They just crumble. It is not difficult to replace, but a lot of work.
IIRC, it was done on my LR4 around 95-100kmi mark.
Timing chains - I'm listening to my LR4's engine whenever I am driving it or whenever my wife fires it up on her way to work. Don't remember the exact mileage - my guess is 117kmi - but I owned it since 17kmi, and never had more than 5kmi between the oil changes.
EAS - still on original airbags and Hitachi compressor (it's an early 2010). Had a couple of small issues, so I carry a spare pump and hoses in the truck.
LCA bushings - the replacement bushings seem to last 2 years/20kmi max. A shitty design coupled with shittier quality.
But... going up a 6% slope with 6 adults / full complement of ski gear at 8k ft - 80mph in the 6th gear, and 16 mpg overall. I almost drove it over the Imogene Pass in high range - only noticed that the gears are lower than I thought they should be and engine RPM a little higher.
I think in '13 they all would have had the locking center diff. At some point they offered a 1 speed transfer case. So that would make a difference. I think your right about having the locking diff is all that makes it heavy duty. Possibly heavy duty cooling, not 100 %sure about that one.
Great info guys, thank you. Yes, the new & improved (LOL) LR4 in 2014 came out with the single-speed transfer case because who needs low-range anyway?
Coolant pipes are first on the list if/when I pick one up. My indy mechanic already gave me the heads-up on that one.
I assume LCA bushings means Lower Control Arm?
The LR4 I'm looking at is a few miles away at the North Scottsdale dealership. 82,300 miles and they are asking $21,647. I'm going to go test drive and see what I think...I've never actually driven one. I'll see what I can get them down to in price.
Coolant pipes are first on the list if/when I pick one up. My indy mechanic already gave me the heads-up on that one.
I assume LCA bushings means Lower Control Arm?
The LR4 I'm looking at is a few miles away at the North Scottsdale dealership. 82,300 miles and they are asking $21,647. I'm going to go test drive and see what I think...I've never actually driven one. I'll see what I can get them down to in price.
I thought HD LR4s (up to 2013) were those with locking rear diff - locking center was standard on all of them, but I may be mistaken. Also, (I think) all LR4s before 2014 came with dual-range transfer cases.
Yes on LCA.
Stew - that V8 block with 6 pistons... just wow.
Yes on LCA.
Stew - that V8 block with 6 pistons... just wow.
fwiw, my way for checking if a truck has timing chain tensioner/guide noise is to get the engine warm, shut it off for about a minute, and restart. Once it returns to idle you will hear a rattle from the front of the engine. If you open the oil cap (engine will run poorly) the noise should be louder.
My favorite way to piss off those customer types you got a look at is to bring up with one of my techs that this mans car is doing the same thing yours was doing. You remember what you did to that, will you take care of this one for me. See the whole point of that conversation was to point out that us dirties back here can afford to drive what your fucking driving. Then if the ass hat takes the bait and says" he's got a car like this one?" I'll say yes he does but his is a couple years newer than this one. They really really don't like that shit. I mean it pisses them off more than it should. My top producer made well over 130 large last year. But that fucker can bust a move.