Looking at a 2013 LR4 - main areas of concern?

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My wife says grey isn't a color, but she's full of shit. It's one of the best on LR3/4. Always thought green/red/blue etc looked goofy on them. Black/grey/silver/white is where it's at. I remember picking up my LR3 in Palm Desert years ago. Drove it back to OR and along the way the transmission shit the bed and the air suspension started acting up. Trial by fire. The large cargo area made a perfect sleeping area for rest stops though.
 
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Higher than I wanted to go, but they knew what they had (unusually low mileage, rear locker, LUX package, good maintenance history, no major issues, etc.). They wouldn't drop a dollar off their asking price and the PPI confirmed they had a nice truck on their lot. They said they had multiple other people interested in this truck and at first they weren't even going to hold it for me over the weekend so I could get out there to pick it up. I had just paid for the PPI and I threw a fucking fit when they said that to me so they came around. The LR San Diego service manager wanted to buy it if I backed out.
 
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Thanks, that helps to have a reference. It's pretty tough to find a good one. Looking at a 2013 HSE LUX with HD package at LR Nashville. They also want a premium for it $24K with 87K miles. KBB is 20K average. Might give up and look at the newer RRS or D5.
 

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It’s definitely a nice feature to have but for comparison my friend has a 4 with locker and same tires as my 3. There’s really not noticeable difference at all in how they get through the same obstacles though I’m sure it’s a bit smoother behind the wheel
 

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I mean, it's brakes-based traction control - so of course, if you are planning to keep wheels in the air for hours, a locker will save the brakes. Don Happel from NCLR drove the Rubicon in his 07 LR3 - don't know what additional goodies his truck had.

Other than that...
 

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Thanks, that helps to have a reference. It's pretty tough to find a good one. Looking at a 2013 HSE LUX with HD package at LR Nashville. They also want a premium for it $24K with 87K miles. KBB is 20K average. Might give up and look at the newer RRS or D5.
You won't be dissapointed if you go with a newer sport. That next platform is holding up better in my opinion. The biggest problem I see with the D5 is water leaking in at the windshield causing all the electrical issues. Modules on the floor get wet.
 

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I realize I’ll probably never notice rear locked or not but it’s nice to know it’s there. I’m also thinking about resale value in case I move to something else before I destroy it.
 

discostew

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I mean, it's brakes-based traction control - so of course, if you are planning to keep wheels in the air for hours, a locker will save the brakes. Don Happel from NCLR drove the Rubicon in his 07 LR3 - don't know what additional goodies his truck had.

Other than that...
Brakes are the last thing the traction control uses to keep traction. It's probably the first response that the driver feels in the seat of his pants but, by that time the timing has been retarded, trans has been upshifted. The truck is constantly monitoring the yaw rate and steering wheel position and has decided that the driver is a fuck up when it starts acting. I would consider it an extension of stability enhancement and terrain response.
 

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Brakes are the last thing the traction control uses to keep traction. It's probably the first response that the driver feels in the seat of his pants but, by that time the timing has been retarded, trans has been upshifted. The truck is constantly monitoring the yaw rate and steering wheel position and has decided that the driver is a fuck up when it starts acting. I would consider it an extension of stability enhancement and terrain response.
Seriously?
What about the steering wheel straight and zero yaw rate?
Are you confusing it with stability control?
LR4 Manual said:
Traction control
PRINCIPLE OF OPERATION
In conditions where one or more wheels has a tendency to spin, Electronic Traction Control (ETC) works with the Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) system to improve mobility. If a wheel is spinning, ETC automatically brakes that wheel until it regains grip. This braking activity causes the engine power to be transferred to the remaining wheels. Some noise may be generated when the brakes are applied.
 

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Seriously?
What about the steering wheel straight and zero yaw rate?
Are you confusing it with stability control?
No I'm not confusing all the systems. Just saying all those functions and then some are controlled by terrain response. ABS is in charge of wheel slip, I'll give you that. But in my opinion ABS is no longer king of this domain. Just a lowly subordinate monitoring wheel slip and applying a brake or two if the driver really sucks at this.
 

discostew

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the systems we run now in the transverse mounted models has gotten pretty high tech. Same as Bronco Sport I think. The give away for me was when Ford said it has dual tourque motors in the rear diff.
That system can stop driving any wheel and drive from one wheel if it only has traction at one wheel. That's pretty unique and when the surface is slick it's awesome.
That systems traction control will apply brakes to achieve that, buts that's just because another system wanted it.
 

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Stew, you are wrong.
Transverse-mount motors and Bronco Sport are irrelevant.
Traction control uses brakes to control wheelspin. That's the only thing that mattered here.
Stability control uses traction control to rein in yaw oscillations, that's fine. But it likely doesn't even wake up in slow cross-axled crawl conditions.
 

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I'm more concerned with finding a vehicle that has a proper service history vs a rear locker. I'm finding most have zero records of proper oil change history. They take it to the dealer for warranty coverage and that's it.

You really lucked out Blue.
 
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Blue

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I searched for a good 2 months, don’t give up. I found a 2012 RR with a stupidly over the top service history but I wanted to stay with the Disco. The keys I looked for were the incremental big services (15k, 30k, 45k, 60k) done on time or early if miles were really low.