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Speaking of a single new program in the stimulus bill:
Speaking of a single new program in the stimulus bill:
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Socialist healthcare is on it's way folks. Micheal Moore should be proud! I'm so glad Tom Daschle was still successful in shoving this crap down our throats. Osama Obama sure was right, it's gonna get worse before it's gets better. But hey, everybody who elected this piece of crap, hope your're happy now. :banghead:
I think it is interesting that these people are supposed to be our Reps, yet they have to try to sneak things past us.
Yes, they are representing us well: 66% of the American people do not want this bill.
I'm sure you will be happy when your doctor has to weigh getting penalized by the Feds for giving you some quick and effective treatment in the office, as opposed to first referring you to several specialists, getting funding approval, and then calling you up a month later to schedule you in for the 20 minute procedure he could have done the first time you visited.
Yes, they are representing us well: 66% of the American people do not want this bill.
I'm sure you will be happy when your doctor has to weigh getting penalized by the Feds for giving you some quick and effective treatment in the office, as opposed to first referring you to several specialists, getting funding approval, and then calling you up a month later to schedule you in for the 20 minute procedure he could have done the first time you visited.
You can be assured that the governments "improvement" of healthcare IT will be leveraged for:
New name for the stimulus bill - Kill the Elderly bill
Heritage Foundation - While the Senate's language is broad and vague, the House language provides further clarity. The House committee report states that "those [items] that are found to be less effective and in some cases, more expensive, will no longer be prescribed."[3]
New name for the stimulus bill - Kill the Elderly bill
No, it has not. Yet. It still has to go back to committee after the Senate version has passed. Hopefully, there is a slim chance that some of this SHIT in this Pig Package will get trimmed down. Especially socialized medicine provisions.
XnitehawkCC said:
After 15 days I'm going to have to say yes, happy. Thanks for asking. Come back next week and we'll have this convo again. Excellent spelling btw. A true nitehawk you are. Or is it ex-nitehawk? Kewl.
Interesting timing on this thread. Yesterday I participated in a meeting with my HR Rep and she was explaining to me how things "may" be when I retire. One powerful comment that she made directly correlates with the quote above and that is, "people do not spend enough time to research and vote on the things that matter the most." I thought to myself afterwards that people voted in our current POTUS because of poll metrics / media input / feel good speeches / etc....and because of this; we will be paying dearly to survive in retirement.
With all of the uncertainty; it goes to show that each person must be responsible for their own care and be able to adapt to these changes. Yes, I understand that due to certain societal behaviors or accepted norms; not everyone can work hard, save money, and plan ahead for their retirements....but those who can, need to understand that the Gov't does not have our best interests in mind.
Blue said:
This speaks directly to one of the two main reasons to not have socialized health care -- no one would want to be a doctor. The Govt. will have to start recruiting, choosing those out of the best and brightest and drafting them even. At least, that is what happens in almost all other socialized health care situations.
The other reason is that we loose freedom. Of all the things to loose your freedom of choice on -- healthcare.... go figure.
Irony: Isn't Roe v. Wade all about being able to have complete privacy, freedom of choice and all that with regards to health care? Roe v. Wade should actually make socialized health care unconstitutional.
Well gee, now that you ask, I can't find it!
Honestly.
I saw the number 64% and 66% in two different polls over the last 3 days. One was reported on Drudge, the other was reported on the radio, and I saw a local news cast last night that used a graphic with one of those two numbers on it. At first, I didn't believe it, but did a double-take and confirmed what I was seeing -- it was something like 64% opposed to the current stimulus package. Then the other numbers were something like 14% in favor, with the remaining being unsure. But now I can't find it, which makes me think it was one of those numbers that was generated from a specific question in the poll.
The poll results I am seeing now show a strange result: 56% in favor of "an economic stimulus plan" or "in favor of taking action on the economy" or something along those lines. So, again, I promise I saw those numbers, but what I see today may indicate that those results are buried in the specific polls someplace.
I guess I was wrong, till I can prove otherwise -- sorry.
On the other hand, I'm a teacher, I'm surrounded by people who are still getting together after work to celebrate the election -- NONE of them are in favor of this bill. They are in favor of some economic stimulus plan, but not this.
Honestly.
I saw the number 64% and 66% in two different polls over the last 3 days. One was reported on Drudge, the other was reported on the radio, and I saw a local news cast last night that used a graphic with one of those two numbers on it. At first, I didn't believe it, but did a double-take and confirmed what I was seeing -- it was something like 64% opposed to the current stimulus package. Then the other numbers were something like 14% in favor, with the remaining being unsure. But now I can't find it, which makes me think it was one of those numbers that was generated from a specific question in the poll.
The poll results I am seeing now show a strange result: 56% in favor of "an economic stimulus plan" or "in favor of taking action on the economy" or something along those lines. So, again, I promise I saw those numbers, but what I see today may indicate that those results are buried in the specific polls someplace.
I guess I was wrong, till I can prove otherwise -- sorry.
On the other hand, I'm a teacher, I'm surrounded by people who are still getting together after work to celebrate the election -- NONE of them are in favor of this bill. They are in favor of some economic stimulus plan, but not this.
RBBailey said:
Well, there will still be people that would want to be doctors....it's just that the best & the brightest will take a pass on the career choice. Call me crazy, but when my life is on the line I want the best & the brightest working on me.
This might be what I was seeing. I thought I had seen the headline correctly, but maybe they were just reporting this from Rasmussen in regards to what people think of the plan as it is now:
62% More tax cuts and less government spending
14% More government spending and less tax cuts
20% Pass pretty much as it is today
5% Not sure
62% More tax cuts and less government spending
14% More government spending and less tax cuts
20% Pass pretty much as it is today
5% Not sure
Depends on how you ask the question:Blue said:
"Would you be in favor of a program that would create or save 5 million American jobs?"
"Would you be in favor of a program that will substitute government bureaucrats for doctors, and possibly deny treatment to your or your loved ones if the bean-counting cocksuckers thought it was too expensive?"
"Would you be in favor of a program that would help hardworking Americans keep their homes, and protect them from foreclosures by Wall Street?"
"Would you be in favor of a program that takes your hard-earned dollars, and gives it to some stupid fuckstick who makes minimum wage and bought a million dollar house?"
50-50 on that poll.