Navy Pilots Spot UFO's

pinkytoe69

Well-known member
Jan 14, 2012
1,689
182
minnesota
Given the sheer size of the universe, lack of something else would be far more peculiar than existence of something else.
 

kennith

Well-known member
Apr 22, 2004
10,891
172
North Carolina
I can invent no logical cause for an extraterrestrial visit to this planet during our own tenure as it's guardians.

There is nothing on this planet a matured, space-faring society requires; nothing worth dealing with us over, anyway... At least not if you're bright enough to know better.

What I can imagine is a college kid buzzing the locals. If anything has stopped by this planet to say hello, I contend it was drunk and flying pappy's space Porsche; which explains how they manage to navigate the interstellar medium for light years only to crash in fucking corn fields and forests. In that way I completely agree with one of Douglas Adams's contentions. If it happened, it was a prank.

The older extraterrestrials would know better than to fuck with the civilization that spends half it's time imagining ways to destroy anyone who visits, and the other half of it's time destroying itself. It's not as if we can't knock something out of orbit; we're quite capable of that. We just rarely do it. It's expensive and tends to ruffle feathers.

In contrast with Adams's other contention, Earth is not mostly harmless. We can reach out and touch anything parked in our lawn very easily, and this whole planet is populated by what may as well be Klingon-Ferengi hybrids: You know... Humans: A species who has spent more money and time developing weapons that leave the atmosphere than any of our most war-like imaginings.

We don't even like each other, for crying out loud. Nobody's stupid enough to land here and expect anything shy of immediate resistance.

Cheers,

Kennith
 
  • Like
Reactions: JohnB

pinkytoe69

Well-known member
Jan 14, 2012
1,689
182
minnesota
I can invent no logical cause for an extraterrestrial visit to this planet during our own tenure as it's guardians.

There is nothing on this planet a matured, space-faring society requires; nothing worth dealing with us over, anyway...

Do the other planets in our solar system, or general neighborhood, have goodies they would want?

Maybe we're one of those odd stops on Route 66 😄
 

kennith

Well-known member
Apr 22, 2004
10,891
172
North Carolina
Do the other planets in our solar system, or general neighborhood, have goodies they would want?

Maybe we're one of those odd stops on Route 66 😄

It's a good thought, but unfortunately that is not likely the case. Consider this:

If we had access to the vastness of space's resources, every element we know would become essentially valueless.

We can't really look at it with our normal science fiction perspective; no matter how technically accurate.

That's what killed "The Last Jedi". Ships of that mass and capability can require no reasonably exhaustible fuel supply. It's as silly as a Nimitz-class carrier stopping by Tuvalu to fuel up. The entire premise of the movie was bogus from the start.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

brian4d

Well-known member
Dec 3, 2007
6,499
67
High Point, NC
I can invent no logical cause for an extraterrestrial visit to this planet during our own tenure as it's guardians.

There is nothing on this planet a matured, space-faring society requires; nothing worth dealing with us over, anyway... At least not if you're bright enough to know better.

What I can imagine is a college kid buzzing the locals. If anything has stopped by this planet to say hello, I contend it was drunk and flying pappy's space Porsche; which explains how they manage to navigate the interstellar medium for light years only to crash in fucking corn fields and forests. In that way I completely agree with one of Douglas Adams's contentions. If it happened, it was a prank.

The older extraterrestrials would know better than to fuck with the civilization that spends half it's time imagining ways to destroy anyone who visits, and the other half of it's time destroying itself. It's not as if we can't knock something out of orbit; we're quite capable of that. We just rarely do it. It's expensive and tends to ruffle feathers.

In contrast with Adams's other contention, Earth is not mostly harmless. We can reach out and touch anything parked in our lawn very easily, and this whole planet is populated by what may as well be Klingon-Ferengi hybrids: You know... Humans: A species who has spent more money and time developing weapons that leave the atmosphere than any of our most war-like imaginings.

We don't even like each other, for crying out loud. Nobody's stupid enough to land here and expect anything shy of immediate resistance.

Cheers,

Kennith


No buying this. Knowledge is power. If 'they' have the tech. to travel from light years away that knowledge didn't come from not exploring the universe and inhabitants. Furthermore, (to what you said) it could be extremely prudent for them to eavesdrop what what we do, especially war and weapons wise. They don't need us upsetting their apple cart. Maybe your college kids asked tasked with this job?
 

Friday Night Disco

Well-known member
Jan 14, 2018
60
7
Fall City
No buying this. Knowledge is power. If 'they' have the tech. to travel from light years away that knowledge didn't come from not exploring the universe and inhabitants. Furthermore, (to what you said) it could be extremely prudent for them to eavesdrop what what we do, especially war and weapons wise. They don't need us upsetting their apple cart. Maybe your college kids asked tasked with this job?

I like to go to the zoo and look at the monkeys
 

kennith

Well-known member
Apr 22, 2004
10,891
172
North Carolina
No buying this. Knowledge is power. If 'they' have the tech. to travel from light years away that knowledge didn't come from not exploring the universe and inhabitants. Furthermore, (to what you said) it could be extremely prudent for them to eavesdrop what what we do, especially war and weapons wise. They don't need us upsetting their apple cart. Maybe your college kids asked tasked with this job?

I would counter with this: They accumulated that knowledge before developing the ability to navigate within the interstellar medium. In order to do that, they'd need to master the manipulation of subatomic particles. Simply to know we're here would require as much, and you're not getting past all the shit in deep space without that ability, either.

There are no resources of value here to a civilization so advanced unless they intend to colonize the planet. As for humans:

If they had any sense at all, they'd wipe us out before we harness gravity; because when we do, the galaxy is in a hell of a lot of trouble. It's not like we don't know how to bend space; we just can't get along long enough to make it happen.

The second confirmation of intelligent extraterrestrial life is on the table... Oh, we'll do it. We'll do it, and then we'll start staking out our territory.

Our current weapons are enough to knock things out of orbit and generally befuddle anything close to the planet, but wouldn't be of much use in open space. That's infinite line of sight combat. We wrap our technology around gravity, though, and we're dangerous as fuck. The first thing we'd do is test the drive units; the second thing we'd do is build the weapons.

Could they just be keeping an eye on our development? I suppose so, but it's relatively pointless right now. We're only a threat if they get too close.

The universe does not need Humans. As dangerous as we are, the idea of waiting to see if we actually bend gravity over the barrel is lunacy. Take us out before that happens, because if it does, you've lost your chance. We'll spread like a plague.

We're the bad guys.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

kennith

Well-known member
Apr 22, 2004
10,891
172
North Carolina
I like the giraffes personally. Even got to feed them romaine.

Those things are WAY bigger than I thought they'd be.

I never saw one in a zoo, but when I saw my first giraffe in the bush I was flabbergasted. It was separated from the rest for some reason, and just fucking stood there outside of a hut I was sleeping in... All night long. When I woke up, it was still there; the size of... Well, I wouldn't want to get in a fight with one, anyway.

Didn't have any trouble with it, but damned if that wasn't creepy as hell.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

SGaynor

Well-known member
Dec 6, 2006
7,148
162
52
Bristol, TN
I would counter with this:
If the universe is infinitely large, then that means, statistically speaking, there is a strong probability that there is another world (at least one) where there is a you and a me.

And, not just that, there is a you and a me, who have lived the exact same lives as we have already done. And...there is another world, were there is a you and a me who have lived DIFFERENT lives.

So...statistically speaking, we are not alone.

I've always been skeptical of the people who claim "Aliens!" because they are generally not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

But...When a US Naval aviator, flying the most sophisticated aircraft in the world says he saw it....and numerous other said pilots saw it? Yeah...they saw it.

(My best friend was an F18 pilot for 23 years. That commander sounds exactly like my friend. No nonsense, just facts. Believable)
 

brian4d

Well-known member
Dec 3, 2007
6,499
67
High Point, NC
Those things are WAY bigger than I thought they'd be.

I never saw one in a zoo, but when I saw my first giraffe in the bush I was flabbergasted. It was separated from the rest for some reason, and just fucking stood there outside of a hut I was sleeping in... All night long. When I woke up, it was still there; the size of... Well, I wouldn't want to get in a fight with one, anyway.

Didn't have any trouble with it, but damned if that wasn't creepy as hell.

Cheers,

Kennith

They are gentle giants until a pack of lions or a hungry cheetah comes lurking for babies. Then they get all kinds of pissed. Never seen it in person but I've watched a few documentaries.
 

kennith

Well-known member
Apr 22, 2004
10,891
172
North Carolina
If the universe is infinitely large, then that means, statistically speaking, there is a strong probability that there is another world (at least one) where there is a you and a me.

And, not just that, there is a you and a me, who have lived the exact same lives as we have already done. And...there is another world, were there is a you and a me who have lived DIFFERENT lives.

So...statistically speaking, we are not alone.

I've always been skeptical of the people who claim "Aliens!" because they are generally not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

But...When a US Naval aviator, flying the most sophisticated aircraft in the world says he saw it....and numerous other said pilots saw it? Yeah...they saw it.

(My best friend was an F18 pilot for 23 years. That commander sounds exactly like my friend. No nonsense, just facts. Believable)

Obviously something must be out there. Hell, if it isn't, I disapprove of this particular universe. I'm sure they saw something they can't identify, as well. Indeed, I have several times in the past seen such things; and one of my own reports is on record with Uncle Sam.

I don't know what those things were, but in one specific event an example was suspicious enough for me to cause everyone extra work.

It doesn't even have to be infinite for life to be out there; I simply do not see the utility in visiting Earth for any species as advanced as required and/or frequently suggested.

We have a speed limit that, after all. In order to know we're here, they'd have to collect and (importantly) freely manipulate the few seemingly observable particles that, for lack of a better illustration, simply can't drive 55; particles that can make it through a solid light-year of lead without a hassle.

That's a hell of a civilization, and we should be honored to be probed by such creatures.

As for the size of the universe itself, it's my current hypothesis that it's extremes feature what amounts to an event horizon. It's a pain in the ass to find testable facets of the foundation of such perspectives, though. It takes a very long time or a very large team.

Beyond that, absolutely. If it went on forever in any direction, probability would eventually assert itself and I'd eventually kick my own ass. I just think it extends along another vector entirely.

Cheers,

Kennith
 
  • Like
Reactions: SGaynor

brian4d

Well-known member
Dec 3, 2007
6,499
67
High Point, NC
Great Popular Mechanics article on the subject, best I've read to date. Best magazine on the shelves, it's a win-win.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a29771548/navy-ufo-witnesses-tell-truth/

Popular Mechanics spoke with the man who says he investigated UFOs while working for the Office of the Under Secretary for Defense for Intelligence: Luis Elizondo. When asked about the existence of a longer video than what’s been publicly released, Elizondo—who now serves as the Director for Global Security and Special Programs for To the Stars Academy—says, “Unfortunately, I’m unable to comment at this time as to what is in the possession of the U.S. government.”

Elizondo simarily parried additional questions about the missing electronic data, saying only, “A comprehensive investigation was conducted, including various data sources, in which conclusions remain in the providence of the U.S. government.” On whether or not other non-Navy sources were used during this investigation, Elizondo says he was “unable to confirm or deny any information as it relates to coordination with other U.S. Government elements.”


As for whether or not other data sources (which may or may not exist) helped influence the Navy’s public stance that these objects are still “unidentified,” Elizondo is coy. “It is certainly plausible,” he says, “in addition to the other numerous reports by pilots in the U.S. Navy.”

And as far as why other data may be being withheld from public release, Elizondo says this could have more to do with what was used than what was actually recorded.

“Many of the systems and the manner in which data is collected remains classified in order to protect tactics, techniques, and procedures,” says Elizondo. “I am not at liberty to discuss any of those systems.”

Elizondo says he would “absolutely” encourage other military witnesses to come forward with their accounts. “Many of our service members are highly trained observers,” he says. “Data obtained by these types are always considered valid observations, although the nuances may not be immediately known.”

Nick Cook, the former aviation editor for Jane’s Defense Weekly, says there are a number of reasons why personnel might have boarded ships and seized electronic data. “It could mean it was sensitive information,” he says. “It could mean this was an exercise.”

Regarding the latter possibility—that this was a secret military test of some sort—Cook, a career defense journalist, says in his opinion it was unlikely this was a classified test. “It’s not impossible, but I wouldn’t think it’s likely. It would be so against the norm of my experience with how the black world conducts testing.”

Having spent a decade investigating the potential for secret highly advanced aerospace technology, and publishing these efforts in The Hunt for Zero Point, Cook was cautious in offering any definite conclusions as to what the Nimitz carrier group had encountered. Cook says it’s possible, but not likely, that the “Tic Tac” was some type of classified drone.

“I searched for 10 years, and never found any compelling evidence that the type of technology exists,” Cook says. “[That] doesn’t mean it couldn’t still exist … I just never found any smoking gun for it.”

But when pushed, the career aviation journalist, soberly says, “In the balance of probabilities, I don’t think it’s ‘ours’.”
 
Last edited:

DiscoHasBeen

Well-known member
Aug 7, 2016
1,171
262
Indy
Like others have said given the vastness of space you would think there almost has to be other life out there. But that vastness is why I have a hard time believing in UFO's. Unless they have discovered worm holes or some other theoretical form of space travel then I don't see it. I think I read there's a theory that explains that a civilization will be wiped out by one thing or another before it can become advanced enough to achieve space travel. I'd believe that. Looking around it seems we're a lot more likely to wipe ourselves out than rocket off to Alpha Centaur.