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mgreenspan

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The stuff happening in Sacramento is absurd. The Target about 500 yards from where I used to live got looted. Lots of local places are ruined. A specific minority owned place had historic Mexican art & poetry destroyed and the rest of the place was looted. Pretty lame. The owners told my friend they will never open up again. I’ve enjoyed all my leftist friends attempt to blame right wing infiltrators for the rioting and destruction. It’s painfully obvious that it’s antifa. I wish the protest leaders would do more to lead their followers than just motivate them to come out.

I also wish the idiot “influencers” weren’t out there trying to get likes, etc. Saw a video of a girl getting her boyfriend to take a picture of her in front of a smashed up T-Mobile store.
 
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mgreenspan

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Unfortunately as soon as the author starts talking about Zimmerman being beaten by Martin nothing said previously will resonate.

my fortunate since there are good points but authors need to know when to cut things to reach a wider audience.

You think people would actually read it if it didn’t mention facts about Zimmerman? Or just that mentioning that incenses those and they’d quit reading?
 

AbnMike

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You think people would actually read it if it didn’t mention facts about Zimmerman? Or just that mentioning that incenses those and they’d quit reading?
It would be easier to use as a discussion paper if it didn't mention Zimmerman, yes.

A lot of people on the right, conservatives, libertarians, etc put together good data, but can't help but alienate any wider audience. They never learned the value of a good editor.

If you have good statistical data, with strong trustworthy sources, but then use a phrase like " Ross (2015) is probably the study leftists are most likely to cite to show that their viewpoint is valid" Rather than something more benign but which will not alienate the reader: "Ross (2015) is a study widely used to support the viewpoint that black people are more likely than white people to be killed while unarmed." I didn't use a loaded term "leftists." I didn't insinuate "their" viewpoint, just "a" viewpoint.

I've kept my reader engaged.

The piece is full of that. That's just one example.

His points about whites being shot by cops is valid. We will never ever solve a police violence issue if we only protest when it happens to a black man on camera. IF the police are "out of control" then the protests should be ongoing until there is change.

But he can't help himself to leave the statistics as data. " Whites shot by police are relatively ignored. " (pause. Very true. ) "So are the whites who are killed by black citizens. " (lost my reader, you're not focusing on the police anymore but throwing in a side-bar about whites killed by blacks.

The whole section about deceptive editing, bearing false witness, etc will all lose readers because he's moved from posting data and statistics and moved to narrative. He's directly challenging beliefs not with statistics but with what will be assume is his wrong interpretation. Zimmerman stalked and killed Martin. That's the widely held belief. YOu won't change that with a paragraph. So why try? Instead continue to focus on the statistical data.

My thoughts. At any rate the numbers were interesting but the loaded narrative throughout means if I shared it among my more left friends I'd be quickly ignored.
 
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So I know I may get beat up here but I'll say it.

How do we know that cop with his knee on the neck was a racist? Seriously? How do we know he just wasn't a fucking asshole having a bad day that took it to far? Would he have been just as prone to do that to a white guy, brown guy (as some like to say) or other? I bet he would have!

Bottom line, we don't know. and... IMO (simply because I'm a young'in and didn't live though the MLK civil rights movement) this doesn't make that guy even lean towards being a racists. It makes him lean toward a murderer and terrible fucking person, I do know that for sure, no question. Call it nave, call it ignorant of the facts whatever. I was not raised, nor did I ever associate myself with people that see the color of skin, I could care less.

It has amazed me all the public statements blatantly claiming that cop was a racists from Governors, Mayors and many more politicians. Trial by Media. He's already going to jail for murder, now we just have to stamp the racist label and our job here is done.
 
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AbnMike

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So I know I may get beat up here but I'll say it.

How do we know that cop with his knee on the neck was a racist? Seriously? How do we know he just wasn't a fucking asshole having a bad day that took it to far? Would he have been just as prone to do that to a white guy, brown guy (as some like to say) or other? I bet he would have!

Bottom line, we don't know. and... IMO (simply because I'm a young'in and didn't live though the MLK civil rights moment) this doesn't make that guy even lean towards being a racists. It makes him lean toward a murderer and terrible fucking person, I do know that for sure, no question. Call it nave, call it ignorant of the facts whatever. I was not raised, nor did I ever associate myself with people that see the color of skin, I could care less.

It has amazed me all the public statements blatantly claiming that cop was a racists from Governors, Mayors and many more politicians. Trial by Media. He's already going to jail for murder, now we just have to stamp the racist label and our job here is done.


100 fucking percent.
 

fishEH

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So I know I may get beat up here but I'll say it.

How do we know that cop with his knee on the neck was a racist? Seriously? How do we know he just wasn't a fucking asshole having a bad day that took it to far? Would he have been just as prone to do that to a white guy, brown guy (as some like to say) or other? I bet he would have!

Bottom line, we don't know. and... IMO (simply because I'm a young'in and didn't live though the MLK civil rights movement) this doesn't make that guy even lean towards being a racists. It makes him lean toward a murderer and terrible fucking person, I do know that for sure, no question. Call it nave, call it ignorant of the facts whatever. I was not raised, nor did I ever associate myself with people that see the color of skin, I could care less.

It has amazed me all the public statements blatantly claiming that cop was a racists from Governors, Mayors and many more politicians. Trial by Media. He's already going to jail for murder, now we just have to stamp the racist label and our job here is done.
You're absolutely right. Protest police violence, period. It's not any better or worse if a cop killed a white guy or black guy.
Personally I think the idea of hate crimes is ridiculous. A law is a law, regardless of ones motivation for breaking it. The people breaking that law don't give a shit either way. Hate crimes are just a way for politicians to feel like they're doing something, while not really doing anything at all.
One of my black friends(normally just a friend, but in this context his race is relevant) is quite liberal and believes there is significant bias and prejudice towards black people. He has some experience to back up his view. He stated one of the most eye-opening things he's ever done was to participate in the local Citizens Police Academy. It gave him a whole new point of view and respect for the police. So while having the police outreach to the community is good, so is the community understanding what bullshit job it is.

@seventyfive, my cousin is a 2nd year officer in a nearby city of about 87,000. He made over $70k in each of his first two years. I'm sure some places start in the $30's, but you also have to consider where those places are and their crime rate.
 
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seventyfive

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^i just did a quick google, it said $50-$60/ year starting salary.

. It seems we all are in line regarding the real issue. Why are cops murdering/using deadly force in an unwarranted situation, regardless the race.
So here is the real question. How do we have our voices heard? We live in a climate where if you even ask the question WITHOUT including race you are immediately labeled a racist.
How do we change the climate back to an educated, reasonable discussion using critical thought?

Used to be a racist was someone who believed a person who was not the same race should not have the same opportunity to succeed and be oppressed. Racism, at least the way I define it and teach my children, is the oppression of another race to the point of neglect.
a bigot believes everyone has the right to come and go as they please but they don’t like them.
and then there’s the rest of us. We are biased based on our actual interactions with other races.
personally, I don’t like stupid people. I am a bigot towards stupid people. now I understand there are stupid people that unfortunately don’t have the cognitive ability to learn BUT it’s the stupid people that have the cognitive ability but are lazy.
These mobs looting and rioting are stupid. No different than the original mob that instigated the Boston massacre and as usual the smart people had to fix the situation the stupid people created.
stupid people are the reason 24 hour news is now a billion dollar enterprise.
stupid people are the reason we can’t Ask why are cops killing people but why are white cops killing blacks people.
stupid people are the reason we had to choose between Clinton and trump.
Now due to technology stupid people are no longer insecure of their stupidity, they have a platform to substantiate their stupidity (internet) and stand confident. We live in a country of very secure stupid people

lack of education is why we are in this current climate. the lack of education and critical thought.

and I don’t mean post high school education. Even a guy who digs a ditch was trained how to dig a ditch. A plumber was taught how to plumb.

economics, world history, and civics are absolutely important. Those were mandatory freshman year high school in New Jersey. Depending upon the state some of those classes aren’t mandatory until later.
 

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You guys do see where this is headed right? Better start working harder/making more money to be taxed because reparations are coming. Even though I've never owned a slave, or known anyone who's been a slave, I'm going to pay for something that happened over a hundred years ago because some cop fucked up.
 

DiscoHasBeen

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lack of education is why we are in this current climate. the lack of education and critical thought.

You do realize those two things have nothing to do with one another. Education is the acquiring of knowledge, nothing else. It only takes sitting behind someone with a Bulter license plate at a fast food joint, and watching them struggle to place an order to understand that. Or to negotiate traffic, or check out at a store....
 

seventyfive

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Didn’t see they are correlated.
My point is the lack of education, acquiring the information, lessens your ability to use critical thought.

if you are ignorant you are less likely to use critical thought. Due to your ignorance you are more likely to take others opinions.

to your point, why do people obstruct the flow of traffic on a two lane thruway?
lack of knowing the law. Why do others follow them? Their inability to use critical thought and think for their self. They just follow.
 
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fishEH

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You guys do see where this is headed right? Better start working harder/making more money to be taxed because reparations are coming. Even though I've never owned a slave, or known anyone who's been a slave, I'm going to pay for something that happened over a hundred years ago because some cop fucked up.
Ain't that the truth!! Of course it won't change a thing. Maybe some people would use it to improve their situation, but by and large it won't do anything. Hell, we had 8 years of a black president and look where we still are??? Real change will require a fundamental cultural shift.

You also have to explore why good cops go bad and lose their crap. You want Andy Griffith, stop acting like assholes. I'm ot talking about any race, but rather shithole cities like Chicago as a whole. You want officers that will march with you or hug you at a protest? Stop spitting in their face, literally.
 

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From blogger Pierre Legrand:

(This list was compiled yesterday. There are surely hundreds if not thousands more out there.)

Man stomped and stoned for trying to defend a bar from being looted
https://streamable.com/xkcvkk
Destroying store and beating unarmed woman and her husband
https://streamable.com/rvrwil
Beating and stomping guy on the ground Santa Monica
https://streamable.com/x6ue5x
Restaurant manager beaten and stomped for trying to defend his workplace
https://streamable.com/ila4dh
Stopping, beating and stomping a truck driver while protesters yell to kill him
https://streamable.com/8zk9dq
Protesters attack a media member and then pummel him
https://streamable.com/p4i3jb
Chasing guy and kicking him in the face for defending flag in Portland
https://streamable.com/ky6jyh
Police officer beaten on the streets
https://streamable.com/je4ki5
Car runs over a cop
https://streamable.com/q4nat7
Protesters set homeless man’s belongings on fire
https://streamable.com/sdjvfa
Throwing fireworks at the cops
https://streamable.com/7sv4a9
Looting a FedEx truck then looter gets dragged when truck tries to escape
https://streamable.com/n1azx3
Chasing and beating guy with red had
https://streamable.com/rcsmi0
Rioter sets himself on fire while trying to set a building on fire
https://streamable.com/w5wa8l
Fireworks thrown into CNN hq / Police officers
https://streamable.com/7dw6g7
Protester runs over the cops with an SUV
https://streamable.com/ttijvn
Destroying/looting/setting on fire Old Navy
https://streamable.com/oceqqg
Guardhouse in front of WH set on fire
https://streamable.com/vfopia
Dozens of cars destroyed/torched near CNN hq – Atlanta
https://streamable.com/ubjohz
St Louis neighborhood on fire
https://streamable.com/8lnd7v
Building on fire while self-proclaimed Mexicans say fuck white people
https://streamable.com/yvkek4
Destroying police SUV
https://streamable.com/2b7fic
Near a torched car audio speakers propaganda that all crime is legal
https://streamable.com/t76kdn
Destroying/looting bank in Montreal
https://streamable.com/3hwkx2
Pharmacy destroyed/looted in Dallas
https://streamable.com/fl7e5z
The remains of whole neighborhood destroyed
https://streamable.com/dtptr1
Destroying stores – Dallas
https://streamable.com/hn1qng
Destroying police SUV – Austin
https://streamable.com/v8zk1e
Police SUV torched LA
https://streamable.com/61mdlo
Looting target/beating disabled person in Minneapolis
https://streamable.com/oyjgbk
Future apartment building destroyed with fire in Minneapolis
https://streamable.com/dxmc0w
Looting pharmacy – Minneapolis
https://streamable.com/53nl1p
Destroying business in Minneapolis
https://streamable.com/5lm779
More businesses on fire in Minneapolis
https://streamable.com/f1zcmy
Ransacked Target Minneapolis
https://streamable.com/b3u92p
Building burning in neighborhood Minneapolis
https://streamable.com/vh5nyu
Boy drove car into a store
https://streamable.com/nrm2pn
Post office looted/destroyed
https://streamable.com/v4vflf
Minneapolis third police precinct set on fire
https://streamable.com/o27w75
More buildings on fire Minneapolis
https://streamable.com/8au2lf
Autoparts Store getting destroyed/looted
https://streamable.com/dum1r8
Autozone on fire
https://streamable.com/vq9hrp
Looting in Minneapolis
https://streamable.com/jfor5g
Adults loot with their children
https://streamable.com/m4cr5j
Cars torched – Minneapolis
https://streamable.com/mmk9gr
Looting an ATM in Minneapolis
https://streamable.com/ht2oxv
Remains of destroyed/looted Cub Foods
https://streamable.com/qhzlm7
Business and stores on fire in Minneapolis
https://streamable.com/jcpdvv
Brenda Lenton’s home and belongings destroyed by a fire – Minneapolis
https://streamable.com/3s9l17
Aftermath of whole neighborhood being set on fire in Minneapolis
https://streamable.com/eat2c0
Nashville city hall set on fire while rioters cheer
https://streamable.com/b3y0ep
Fox reporters chased out with projectiles thrown at them near White House
https://streamable.com/1qzyua
Attacking drivers Tulsa, Okla
https://streamable.com/ixpxh9
Setting St. John’s Church on fire
https://streamable.com/u3y4ch
Destroying/looting stores Montreal
https://streamable.com/92h4rr
Destroying/looting store in Downtown Oakland
https://streamable.com/y9s4x9
Bar destroyed/Trying to loot a safe
https://streamable.com/yzprm5
Stolen Bulldozer in Oakland
https://streamable.com/lhf5ze
Two police SUVs torched in Seattle
https://streamable.com/eketpr
Multiple cars torched in Philadelphia
https://streamable.com/13784m
Ohio Statehouse being destroyed
https://streamable.com/k13b3l
Trying to breach Justice Center/central police precinct Portland
https://streamable.com/avcfq0
Destroying/Looting Justice Center Portland
https://streamable.com/1j6fof
Looting small business in Portland
https://streamable.com/bfs08c
Destroying/looting small business Portland
https://streamable.com/adfxxt
Looting Louis Vuitton store
https://streamable.com/f4ysu9
Driving stolen cars into stores – Portland
https://streamable.com/o1w92j
Destroying Chase Bank – Portland
https://streamable.com/o1wtom
Setting Chase Bank on fire – Portland
https://streamable.com/nanakz
Destroying/Looting Apple Store – Portland
https://streamable.com/2wncgk
Looting in St. Paul
https://streamable.com/6fouwt
Looting Shoe Store
https://streamable.com/60v3xh
Looting apple store
https://streamable.com/1wzq39
Looting North Face store – NYC
https://streamable.com/ux7djn
Nike Store being looted – NYC
https://streamable.com/6sdcb3
Looting in Union Square – NYC
https://streamable.com/jiz3zd
Looting T-mobile store
https://streamable.com/ag5kwc
Shop owner saves store from looters with a firearm
https://streamable.com/5oj1jl
Business owner defends his store from looters with a firearm
https://streamable.com/pmdjkb
 

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You guys do see where this is headed right? Better start working harder/making more money to be taxed because reparations are coming. Even though I've never owned a slave, or known anyone who's been a slave, I'm going to pay for something that happened over a hundred years ago because some cop fucked up.
Then I want reparations for my Quaker heritage where lives were lost with the Underground Railroad and the hardship associated with it.
 

DiscoHasBeen

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You also have to explore why good cops go bad and lose their crap. You want Andy Griffith, stop acting like assholes. I'm ot talking about any race, but rather shithole cities like Chicago as a whole. You want officers that will march with you or hug you at a protest? Stop spitting in their face, literally.

It's not just the police, it's anyone. People snap. Dude finds his wife sleeping with someone, neighbors have disputes, soldiers kill innocent people.

When I was in my teens I saw it first hand. My friends and I fished, a lot. A time or two we found ourselves stuck/broke down in the middle of nowhere. Walking to get help we had some pretty harry situations with people's dogs. I found a place that sold pepper spray and bought some. So I lived beside a church and across from a shopping complex. A friend and I were going fishing and pulled out from the house. A sheriff was sitting across the street and pulled us over. I didn't even think about the pepper spray in my lap. Cops came to each front window and the one saw the pepper spray and went off, and I mean went off. Dude basically threatened to fuck us up if we made one wrong move. This was Darmstadt Indiana in the 70's/80's. A couple of teenage white kids, hayseeds I'll admit, about to get fucked up by some dude who just flat out lost it.
 

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I'm of the opinion that there is almost no real need to own a firearm if you live in a nice area of a first world country.

That being said, if civilized society breaks down, needs change.

So, when the strip mall and Target 2 miles away got looted Friday and there were talks of tens of thousands of outsiders en route for Saturday, I told her it might be time to exercise our rights 😋

She still vehemently refused and got pissed every time I brought it up throughout the weekend.

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