Riots

[salvvia]

Where is RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE when you need them take your pick
Which flavor of rage you like there is a flavor for all
Thought it would bring some variety to the show

 

[seventyfive]

Rage against the machine? Probably required listening for antifa pre-rioting pump up music

 

[fishEH]

Where is RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE when you need them take your pick
Which flavor of rage you like there is a flavor for all
Thought it would bring some variety to the show

They were actually supposed to being touring this year, but COVID. I saw them in 2007 at Alpine Valley in WI, 5ft from the stage. It was hands down the best concert I've ever been to. I don't agree with everything they say, but I like their music.

 

[brian4d]

 

[brian4d]

They were actually supposed to being touring this year, but COVID. I saw them in 2007 at Alpine Valley in WI, 5ft from the stage. It was hands down the best concert I've ever been to. I don't agree with everything they say, but I like their music.

I saw them touring with Snoop in 2005. What a show.

 

[fishEH]

I saw them touring with Snoop in 2005. What a show.

I bet. This was the opening of the concert I was at. I was right in front of Morello.

 

[AbnMike]

They were actually supposed to being touring this year, but COVID. I saw them in 2007 at Alpine Valley in WI, 5ft from the stage. It was hands down the best concert I've ever been to. I don't agree with everything they say, but I like their music.

They finally embraced the machine.
Their tickets were upwards of $200 each for most venues.

 

[seventyfive]

They finally embraced the machine.
Their tickets were upwards of $200 each for most venues.

wait, commies charging money????? but i thought they preached capitalism is bad?

 

[fishEH]

They finally embraced the machine.
Their tickets were upwards of $200 each for most venues.

I know. I looked into tickets but didn't want to drop the $300+ for a close "seat".

 

[SCSL]

This is going to backfire on the left.

Dunno about that. He's a pretty unappealing figure. Police unions (like other public service unions) are a big problem. And when he mentions "until the day (he) retires" instead of 'till the day (he) dies' or whatever just sets that in sharp relief. Plenty of NYPD "retired" cops in their mere 50's down in FL sucking off the tax payer teat. And don't you dare judge my position on police vs the mob based on this comment. It's purely economic and directed at the concept of public sector unions. See Chicago budget situation for additional data. Finally, the absolute last way to get any respect is to go on a rant demanding respect. So yeah, F this guy and his buddies who had their 50 year old retirement plans derailed.

 

[seventyfive]

Lots of government employees enjoying retirement in their 50’s. I could’ve retired at 37 with life long benefits, shit now we’ve flooded the labor pool with absolute worthless 20 somethings the navy would’ve let me stay in as long as I wanted. The military is giving age waivers up to 50 years old depending on rates. Age waivers are being granted up to 55 I think, for medical rates, including enlisted billets.
My point was you can only stereotype a whole group long enough. Regardless of his pension and benefits, wether he’s truly committed to protecting and serving, etc., his response was well received by me.
what happens when the good cops say fuck it because they are the new enemy?
What happens when the governor and mayor and in some cases the police chiefs all surrender and point the finger at you? When your bosses use you as the scapegoat when they are in charge? Last I checked the legislators, of the state, enact laws for their local police department to enforce. The same legislators point the finger at the ones enforcing their laws? The police chiefs in charge of setting standards and practices then point the finger for their standards and practices?
I know shit rolls downhill but where is the accountability of the leadership?
Not even addressing the media. They are no longer relevant to me. They are provocateurs pushing an agenda. All media.
I was trained if any of my ordnanceman hurt their self, hurt someone else, or plain fucked up on the roof it was my fault. It was my fault that I did not provide the proper resources, supervision, training, mentor ship, etc.
There are good cops and bad cops. There are cops doing their job and there are cops biding their time.
but it was about time somebody spoke out for the ones doing their job.

 

[seventyfive]

So if I were to retire, from the navy, at 37 (8 years ago) then retire from another gubment job at 57 would you be as jaded towards me as you are at him?
I’d be collecting 2 retirements with life long benefits then collect social security at 60 something.
So now I’m collecting 3 retirement incomes with ‘free’ medical, life insurance, my kids and wife would have the same benefits until I die.
So I take your post not as anti cop, just jaded by someone getting a guaranteed retirement.

 

[seventyfive]

And yes, unions definitely got tooooo greedy a long time ago. I believe in collective bargaining but unions were irrelevant the day OSHA and other workplace safety organizations created a safe work place.
once the 40 hour work week was in place etc.

Unfortunately, now unions are the reason we can’t fire some dipshit due to their inability to perform their job.

 

[seventyfive]

The police union is probably the reason shitheads can be written up dozens of times and still keep their fucking job.


at least until theY murder someone. It’s sad that even when they murder someone WHILE RECORDED they somehow find a way to simply lose a couple month’s pay.

so yes, while I am glad he said what he said how he said it, he along with every law enforcement officer does have to understand their inactions when bad shit happens does have accountability.

BUT burning cities? Looting business’?
Attacking innocent people?
Murdering cops?

 

[seventyfive]

So just so we’re square.
if I retired from the navy, then retired from a government contract profession, then collected social security, and my family received a lot of benefits how would you feel towards me?
I would theoretically been sucking the taxpayers teet my entire life.

 

[DiscoHasBeen]

Unfortunately, now unions are the reason we can’t fire some dipshit due to their inability to perform their job.

I've got news for you, it's not just the unions. Even here in a right to work state HR freaks out when when we fire someone. Had a guy hire on that from day one was a fuck up. Would go in the bathroom and not come out. Disappeared one morning for hours until finally food service called and asked us to get him out of their restroom. Super fired him and within a day HR was insisting we rehire him because we didn't give him enough chances. Have a general manager right now who can't do his job. Their answer, hire an assistant GM to do his job for him. It's fucked up.

 

[seventyfive]

We’ve been trying to fire someone for months. HR refuses to comply even with documented offenses. I’ve given up and he knows there is nothing we can do.
Can’t even reduce his pay.
it’s great for morale! Peers coming in doing their job and producing while he coasts.

 

[fishEH]

Quit crying. Being a cop is a shitty job, but the benefits are compensatory. You sound like someone who is pissed because someone found a job with better benefits than you. This is the other side of the coin, like when teachers complain about their low salary. You knew that going into it, so shut up!
This happens every time the economy takes a shit. Private sector people look at public sector jobs and start complaining. These are the same people that would never dream of being a cop, fireman, public worker, armed forces because jobs where you get your hands dirty are for "uneducated folk".

Dunno about that. He's a pretty unappealing figure. Police unions (like other public service unions) are a big problem. And when he mentions "until the day (he) retires" instead of 'till the day (he) dies' or whatever just sets that in sharp relief. Plenty of NYPD "retired" cops in their mere 50's down in FL sucking off the tax payer teat. And don't you dare judge my position on police vs the mob based on this comment. It's purely economic and directed at the concept of public sector unions. See Chicago budget situation for additional data. Finally, the absolute last way to get any respect is to go on a rant demanding respect. So yeah, F this guy and his buddies who had their 50 year old retirement plans derailed.

 

[SCSL]

Quite a few assumptions being made in the posts following my initial response, so just to cool the jets and depersonalize the issue, my comment was simply that public sector unions have indisputably created situations that are counter to economic reality in cities, counties and states around the country. I was explicit in disclaiming that position in my post. So emotional reactions not withstanding, it is what it is. I realize that those receiving, or in line to receive, a defined benefit pension are strongly attached to it. And at the individual level, I can’t blame them. But at the macro level, public employee unions shackle taxpayers and municipalities with unsustainable levels of debt. And one of the iron laws of economics is that unsustainable levels of debt will not be sustained (ie: will not be paid back).

As for that particular little cop, who has likely never had to worry about his job, let alone worry about it constantly, and who certainly never had to worry about his retirement, I stand by my reaction above. It’s regrettable that his feelings have been hurt amidst all this controversy. He’ll have plenty of time to reflect on the situation in paid retirement while fishing down in FL.

 

[mgreenspan]

I did LOL at the thought of you crying about pensions even though I knew you weren’t. This thread is great.