Seattle?

AbnMike

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What can you turds tell me about Seattle? Was contacted about a position with the Bezos clan. All I know about Seattle is there is no sun, used needles litter every yard, and white kids riot on behalf of minorities they’ve never met.

So with those stereotypes out of the way, is it worth wasting a recruiters time any further or am I off the mark? I’m in western Colorado and have 5 acres and a Fed job and a 15 minute commute to drive 18 miles.

But my salary would almost double if I took the job...

Is it really shitty to live there? Or is all that overblown?

Anyone?
 

Swedjen2

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My cousins all moved up there - 40 years ago. I'm sure they're disgusted with what's happened, but one lives on Mercer Island, the other up near one of the many "xxx-omish" towns or Port this and that.
If it's anything like L.A., which it is, the homeless/mentally ill/addicts metastasize throughout the city and suburbs. As long as the city government allows it, it will only get worse and they have no solution nor do they want to halt the Homeless Industrial Complex. All the cities along the coast put up with this to one degree or another. The bigger the city, the worse the problem.
Remove any pro-American decals from your car or it will get keyed. Oh, yeah, if you are conservative, and you move to Seattle, realize that if liberals didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all.

One more thing, if Bezos is offering you 2X what you make on the Western Slope and you try to live in Seattle, well - unless you're making $75K+, good luck with that. Don't sell your 5 acres.
 
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Tugela

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I've only lived in Seattle for 21 years so take my comments with a grain of salt. My view is that it's no longer the city I moved here for, but it's still a great place. Your stereotypes differ from mine. It's more like the exponential growth of Amazon ruined the community, traffic is horrendous, housing prices are nuts, and lots of people take a passive-aggressive attitude towards things that they don't like.

@Swedjen2 's comment about pro-American decals is off base. People will key your car for a crappy parking job, but not for what stickers it has. And I've seen plenty of cars with stickers that would be right at home in Wyoming.

The winters are a drag, at least for me. For a couple months there's only 8 hours of daylight and that weighs on my mental health. The upside of that is you can get to the ski slopes in 45 minutes, snowshoeing trails in 30, and people remain active no matter the conditions. Every February I ask myself "Why do I still live here?" Then every April through October I ask myself "Why would I live anywhere else?" The summers are spectacular, although in recent years the amount of wildfire smoke has put a damper on things.

Seattle has a wealth of culture - the art, music, food, festivals, theater, and films are wonderful. You will never be bored. The neighborhoods all have a distinct feel. I have lived in Wallingford, Fremont, Capitol Hill, Queen Anne, and Mount Baker - have loved them all for different reasons.

Look at total cost of living. Amazon pays well, but home prices here continue to rise fast. Everything here is more expensive. There's no state income tax, but sales, real estate, and property taxes are all high, as well as car registration and insurance. You may earn more in the jungle but a bigger percentage of your salary will go towards expenses. Some of these expenses are high no matter where you live in the region because they are statewide.

I bought a house close to a light rail station, so I never drove for work before the pandemic. My train ride to downtown was 12 minutes. Don't even think about commuting by car. The geography of the city constrains mobility, parking downtown is exorbitant, and I get frustrated most times I drive in the city. During the nicer months I ride my bike most places. I could ride to work in 25 minutes. Transit is pretty good.

The access to outdoor recreation is unbeatable. There is such a wealth of stuff to do - both in the city and nearby and in the Cascades. It's paradise.

There is a large and active Rover community. The indie shops are great, there's a lot of socializing around the Rover scene, there is excellent access to trails on public lands, we have the Washington Backcountry Discovery Route, and the opportunities to explore in your Rover are extensive. There are clubs if you want that.

If I was in your shoes I'd ask yourself if you really want to work for Amazon. My wife is a therapist and most of her clients are Amazonians. There's a reason for that. Working there is mentally and emotionally crushing (but they can afford her rates, so thank you!). I've had several friends take jobs there in eager anticipation and then leave in disgust. I encourage you to investigate the corporate culture before you move out here. It's a long way to come and a major life change to make. Do what you can to find out if you'll be happy in the job. None of the other wonderful things about Seattle will matter if you can't enjoy them because the hours are long, or if your work makes you miserable. But if it does, I can recommend a very good therapist.

This is all within 2-3 hours from Seattle:

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Swedjen2

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I've only lived in Seattle for 21 years so take my comments with a grain of salt. My view is that it's no longer the city I moved here for, but it's still a great place. Your stereotypes differ from mine. It's more like the exponential growth of Amazon ruined the community, traffic is horrendous, housing prices are nuts, and lots of people take a passive-aggressive attitude towards things that they don't like.

Tugela wrote a very fair and excellent commentary regarding Seattle and issues to consider when working for The Bezos.
An active Rover community and access to the Great Wide Open would be a plus for me.
OTOH, Mt. Rainier sits and waits.......

I withdraw my statement re: decals.
 

Tugela

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OTOH, Mt. Rainier sits and waits.......

Thanks for the kind words. Rainier is something special. You don't have to live here to visit. I used to guide on the mountain so I know it well. I even got engaged on the summit. Hope you can experience it in person one day. It's a majestic mountain.
 

Blue

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AbnMike said:
I’m in western Colorado and have 5 acres and a Fed job and a 15 minute commute to drive 18 miles.

That sums it up in my mind. Why change? Enjoy your current life style which more than likely will not improve in a metro environment.
We live on 18 acres in W. PA. and wouldn’t change it. Life is short.

Exactamundo! Money doesn't buy happiness.
 

Levi

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What can you turds tell me about Seattle? Was contacted about a position with the Bezos clan. All I know about Seattle is there is no sun, used needles litter every yard, and white kids riot on behalf of minorities they’ve never met.

So with those stereotypes out of the way, is it worth wasting a recruiters time any further or am I off the mark? I’m in western Colorado and have 5 acres and a Fed job and a 15 minute commute to drive 18 miles.

But my salary would almost double if I took the job...

Is it really shitty to live there? Or is all that overblown?

Anyone?

I just got back from Tacoma. If you're interested you should just go check it out, my tickets were only ~$35 each way out of Denver and it's a cool place to see.
 

Blueboy

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I've only lived in Seattle for 21 years so take my comments with a grain of salt. My view is that it's no longer the city I moved here for, but it's still a great place. Your stereotypes differ from mine. It's more like the exponential growth of Amazon ruined the community, traffic is horrendous, housing prices are nuts, and lots of people take a passive-aggressive attitude towards things that they don't like.

@Swedjen2 's comment about pro-American decals is off base. People will key your car for a crappy parking job, but not for what stickers it has. And I've seen plenty of cars with stickers that would be right at home in Wyoming.

The winters are a drag, at least for me. For a couple months there's only 8 hours of daylight and that weighs on my mental health. The upside of that is you can get to the ski slopes in 45 minutes, snowshoeing trails in 30, and people remain active no matter the conditions. Every February I ask myself "Why do I still live here?" Then every April through October I ask myself "Why would I live anywhere else?" The summers are spectacular, although in recent years the amount of wildfire smoke has put a damper on things.

Seattle has a wealth of culture - the art, music, food, festivals, theater, and films are wonderful. You will never be bored. The neighborhoods all have a distinct feel. I have lived in Wallingford, Fremont, Capitol Hill, Queen Anne, and Mount Baker - have loved them all for different reasons.

Look at total cost of living. Amazon pays well, but home prices here continue to rise fast. Everything here is more expensive. There's no state income tax, but sales, real estate, and property taxes are all high, as well as car registration and insurance. You may earn more in the jungle but a bigger percentage of your salary will go towards expenses. Some of these expenses are high no matter where you live in the region because they are statewide.

I bought a house close to a light rail station, so I never drove for work before the pandemic. My train ride to downtown was 12 minutes. Don't even think about commuting by car. The geography of the city constrains mobility, parking downtown is exorbitant, and I get frustrated most times I drive in the city. During the nicer months I ride my bike most places. I could ride to work in 25 minutes. Transit is pretty good.

The access to outdoor recreation is unbeatable. There is such a wealth of stuff to do - both in the city and nearby and in the Cascades. It's paradise.

There is a large and active Rover community. The indie shops are great, there's a lot of socializing around the Rover scene, there is excellent access to trails on public lands, we have the Washington Backcountry Discovery Route, and the opportunities to explore in your Rover are extensive. There are clubs if you want that.

If I was in your shoes I'd ask yourself if you really want to work for Amazon. My wife is a therapist and most of her clients are Amazonians. There's a reason for that. Working there is mentally and emotionally crushing (but they can afford her rates, so thank you!). I've had several friends take jobs there in eager anticipation and then leave in disgust. I encourage you to investigate the corporate culture before you move out here. It's a long way to come and a major life change to make. Do what you can to find out if you'll be happy in the job. None of the other wonderful things about Seattle will matter if you can't enjoy them because the hours are long, or if your work makes you miserable. But if it does, I can recommend a very good therapist.

This is all within 2-3 hours from Seattle:

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Great pics of nice Rovers and folks enjoying them!!
 

bri

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I've only lived in Seattle for 21 years so take my comments with a grain of salt. My view is that it's no longer the city I moved here for, but it's still a great place. Your stereotypes differ from mine. It's more like the exponential growth of Amazon ruined the community, traffic is horrendous, housing prices are nuts, and lots of people take a passive-aggressive attitude towards things that they don't like.

@Swedjen2 's comment about pro-American decals is off base. People will key your car for a crappy parking job, but not for what stickers it has. And I've seen plenty of cars with stickers that would be right at home in Wyoming.

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Seattle has a wealth of culture - the art, music, food, festivals, theater, and films are wonderful. You will never be bored. The neighborhoods all have a distinct feel. I have lived in Wallingford, Fremont, Capitol Hill, Queen Anne, and Mount Baker - have loved them all for different reasons.

I have traveled to Seattle gazillions of times until this past year. You are ripe with people that would gladly torch a Trump 2020 stickered car.

And... I betcha, you have not had many "festivals" this year and that will be the same for quite a while, likely all of 2021.
 
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bri

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What can you turds tell me about Seattle? Was contacted about a position with the Bezos clan. All I know about Seattle is there is no sun, used needles litter every yard, and white kids riot on behalf of minorities they’ve never met.

So with those stereotypes out of the way, is it worth wasting a recruiters time any further or am I off the mark? I’m in western Colorado and have 5 acres and a Fed job and a 15 minute commute to drive 18 miles.

But my salary would almost double if I took the job...

Is it really shitty to live there? Or is all that overblown?

Anyone?

I guarantee that you will regret it. DO NOT SELL your property if you do go. That you will regret even more than moving to a sh1thole.

Another tidbit, if you do go, the people that I know that are happy there commute about an hour into the city.
 
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AbnMike

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Thanks, all.

I can put my raft in the Colorado river 12 minutes from home. There’s tens of thousands of BLM land 5 minutes from my house and I can ride my dirtbike right to it, and 40 minutes drive and I’m on a mountain skiing, or fishing in one of 300 lakes on the Grand Mesa. I’m an hour from Moab too.

But I’m maxed out at my job. I can’t retire for 20 years so any raise will be the annual 1% cost of living increase. The only way to get promoted is to take another job as a Fed elsewhere. It’s extremely difficult to recategorize a Fed position to another Grade and there aren’t enough people for me to supervise to justify the increase.

so while all the quality of life I could ever want (minus an ocean) is less than an hour no matter what I’m seeking: rivers, 6’ of snowpack, lakes, towering forests, desert, I’d have to do the same job, fno more money, for 20 more years.

So it’s a lot to consider. I’d probably hate Seattle though I did live in DC for 15 years and loved it, but I was younger, single, slaying gash, and DC wasn’t “woke” like it is today.
 

Howski

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Any opportunities to work remotely? Realize you can’t in all lines of work but could be best of both worlds if it’s an option
 

Swedjen2

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Can you put another house on your property, like a prefab? Sounds like an ideal vacation area. Arbnb. It can pay your mortgage or a decent chunk.
 

brian4d

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Don't jump from the Swimming Pool into the Frying pan my friend. Stay away from Bezos and crowd and enjoy CO. More money also = more stress.
 

Tugela

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I can put my raft in the Colorado river 12 minutes from home. There’s tens of thousands of BLM land 5 minutes from my house and I can ride my dirtbike right to it, and 40 minutes drive and I’m on a mountain skiing, or fishing in one of 300 lakes on the Grand Mesa. I’m an hour from Moab too.

But I’m maxed out at my job. I can’t retire for 20 years so any raise will be the annual 1% cost of living increase.

I've come to a similar realization in my career. I work at a nonprofit and my earning potential is higher elsewhere. But I have autonomy, mastery, and purpose in my job, plus I get 2 months paid time off per year. Yes, months. And I'm due for a sabbatical on top of that. I'm satisfied with my quality of life and don't feel pressure to earn more just because I could. So I'm content to stay put without worrying if the grass is greener. I'm sure Amazon would not be a good fit for me.

It sounds like you have a wonderful quality of life. Seattle has good access to the wilderness, but not that good. You couldn't duplicate that here. If you think you'd hate Seattle, you're probably right. The Emerald City is not to everyone's taste.
 

mjbrox

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What can you turds tell me about Seattle? Was contacted about a position with the Bezos clan. All I know about Seattle is there is no sun, used needles litter every yard, and white kids riot on behalf of minorities they’ve never met.

So with those stereotypes out of the way, is it worth wasting a recruiters time any further or am I off the mark? I’m in western Colorado and have 5 acres and a Fed job and a 15 minute commute to drive 18 miles.

But my salary would almost double if I took the job...

Is it really shitty to live there? Or is all that overblown?

Anyone?


Im out here in Jeffco trying to figure out how to live your life.
 

mjbrox

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It’s extremely difficult to recategorize a Fed position to another Grade and there aren’t enough people for me to supervise to justify the increase.

so while all the quality of life I could ever want (minus an ocean) is less than an hour no matter what I’m seeking: rivers, 6’ of snowpack, lakes, towering forests, desert, I’d have to do the same job, fno more money, for 20 more years.

So it’s a lot to consider. I’d probably hate Seattle though I did live in DC for 15 years and loved it, but I was younger, single, slaying gash, and DC wasn’t “woke” like it is today.

HA! when I lived in DC and worked the the DOD, there was a saying i heard a lot. "You have to fuck up to move up" The best example I heard (and it may not have been true) was a guy taking off his shoe and throwing at someone in meeting. Apparently he got a promotion