So I bought a 2023 Tacoma

DiscoHasBeen

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And so far eh. The reason I say that is because, the rear view mirror terribly blocks field of view for a guy 6' 3". That's a nuisance. The other is the six speed transmission that constantly hunts for gears. Mirror was aparent in test drive, gear hunting not so much. Everone on the Tacoma forums are get a tune (remap the ECU). Have that scheduled for tomorrow. The question is how can a company like Toyota fuck this up the ECU so badly?
 

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Why are you asking this question on DiscoWeb? Isn't there an equivalent Toyota forum (TacoTime? 'YotaScrota? I'm not sure what it would be called) where you have a better chance of finding a useful answer?
 

DiscoHasBeen

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Why are you asking this question on DiscoWeb? Isn't there an equivalent Toyota forum (TacoTime? 'YotaScrota? I'm not sure what it would be called) where you have a better chance of finding a useful answer?
Was asking a general question here. Yes have asked the same question on Taco forums, that's why I'm going to go get a tune tomorrow. Just thought I'd ask here others thoughts. Just trying to add some content.
 

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Don’t know about the ECU but you should add more light bars and a ‘Toy Yoda’ decal. I’m the same height and think the ergonomics on Tacos and 4Runners suck for anyone over 6’
 

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I rented a new 4Runner while I was on a job in Bozeman a couple months ago. Very unimpressed. It was super sluggish - it would jump a bit if you put your foot in it but the gearing seemed off. On a positive note, it was very nice and comfortable off road and seemed to drive a lot better.

On the really positive note, you'll never have to anything with it other than fill it with gas and change the oil.
 

terryjm1

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Keep in mind if you tune it, you are most likely SOL for warranty coverage on the engine, trans, or emissions components and who knows what else the dealer may decide.

I have a GMC Canyon Diesel. The stock ECU settings were less than desirable. I tolerated them until the warranty expired. Tuned, it runs fantastic and the tune is federal emissions compliant.

Stock tunes on both transmissions and engines nowadays sacrifice performance and reliability in the name of lower emissions and fuel economy. You wouldn’t believe the transmission shift behavior the factory uses. It pretty much destroys transmission.
 
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MM3846

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The auto SUCKS. My buddy’s wife has a manual and it’s much better. Not as good as the old 4.0 V6 and stick shift, though.
 

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My dad bought a new V6 4x4 Tacoma base model for a fleet truck. It looks good like all Tacomas have and he likes it a lot. I think it feels sluggish even compared to the old 4.0 trucks. It is also like looking out of a bunker, similar to old XJ Cherokees. Toyota kept the 4.0 in the 4Runner for a while longer than the Tacoma. Maybe someone over there realized heavy vehicles need torque? Either way it's still a Toyota and will likely go the distance. No car brand is infallible though, and I wonder how building more technologically advanced engines will affect their signature reliability.

My dad had a few Nissan 4x4s as fleet trucks for his Shell stations in the 80s, so I was surprised when we went with a Toyota. I have not driven one of the new Frontiers, but I see a red offroad-y looking one in my office garage. Nissan hit it out of the park looks-wise. If they still have the VQ-derived 4.0, the Frontier would be just below the Colorado in my little truck tier list.
 

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Keep in mind if you tune it, you are most likely SOL for warranty coverage on the engine, trans, or emissions components and who knows what else the dealer may decide.

I have a GMC Canyon Diesel. The stock ECU settings were less than desirable. I tolerated them until the warranty expired. Tuned, it runs fantastic and the tune is federal emissions compliant.

Stock tunes on both transmissions and engines nowadays sacrifice performance and reliability in the name of lower emissions and fuel economy. You wouldn’t believe the transmission shift behavior the factory uses. It pretty much destroys transmission.
A poster on Tacoma World stated his dealership offered different flavors of OV tune packages available to their customs. Others have stated Toyota knows this is being done and so far doesn't have a problem with it. And other have stated the dealerships don't have the ability to see the tune. Toyota does ,and might get involved in the case of a catastrophic failure.

Your also right about the stock tune. My truck hunted for gears constantly. Just returned from getting the tune done and damn, what a huge difference. I got the "sport pedal" tune. May go back to a more stock one but, I was worried I was wasting my money but no, definitely not.
 
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DiscoHasBeen

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Don’t know about the ECU but you should add more light bars and a ‘Toy Yoda’ decal. I’m the same height and think the ergonomics on Tacos and 4Runners suck for anyone over 6’
The only thing that bothers me is the rear-view mirror. I pushed it up into the ceiling as best I could while still being able to use it a little. It's better but...

Is it racist to point out that, as a whole, Asians are a smaller example of the human species.

Oh, and I added an OME lift kit, Victory 4x4 front bumper with wench, Toyo Open Country A/T III - Size: LT235/85R16, and some Vled led reverse lights. I'll give some consideration to the light bar.
 
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Keep in mind if you tune it, you are most likely SOL for warranty coverage on the engine, trans, or emissions components and who knows what else the dealer may decide.

I have a GMC Canyon Diesel. The stock ECU settings were less than desirable. I tolerated them until the warranty expired. Tuned, it runs fantastic and the tune is federal emissions compliant.

Stock tunes on both transmissions and engines nowadays sacrifice performance and reliability in the name of lower emissions and fuel economy. You wouldn’t believe the transmission shift behavior the factory uses. It pretty much destroys transmission.
Yeah you don’t want to get any aftermarket tunes until your warranty expires. Lots of 8 speed transfers seem busy to someone who’s not used to them.
Toyota will tell you to go fuck yourself. You give any manufacturer a way out or someone to blame and they won’t pay.
 

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Lots of 8 speed transfers seem busy to someone who’s not used to them.
Yes, they will, because the bandwidth is so small. One is going to shift eight times between 0 and 80? The tune I received locked 6th out until 80 because it it so high, making the truck a 5 speed for all intents and purposes.
 

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Yes, they will, because the bandwidth is so small. One is going to shift eight times between 0 and 80? The tune I received locked 6th out until 80 because it it so high, making the truck a 5 speed for all intents and purposes.
Well thats all good. But, if this is the beginning of some sort of internal trans problem you could get fucked out of a warranty repair.
 

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GMC Canyons (Chevy Colorado as well) are eating torque converters which often takes the transmission with it. On the diesels, to lesser degree they also have a problem with injectors sticking open and destroying the engines. On those vehicles the ECU keeps a permanent log of the tunes that were flashed. Aftermarket tune equals no warranty coverage. Heard the sad song many times on the forums.

The trans tune makes life for the torque converter much easier, certainly making it last longer. However, the issue with the injectors is a big reason I waited until the warranty expired. I really didn’t want to be on the hook for a new engine.
 

discostew

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GMC Canyons (Chevy Colorado as well) are eating torque converters which often takes the transmission with it. On the diesels, to lesser degree they also have a problem with injectors sticking open and destroying the engines. On those vehicles the ECU keeps a permanent log of the tunes that were flashed. Aftermarket tune equals no warranty coverage. Heard the sad song many times on the forums.

The trans tune makes life for the torque converter much easier, certainly making it last longer. However, the issue with the injectors is a big reason I waited until the warranty expired. I really didn’t want to be on the hook for a new engine.
If you put a tune in a Land Rover or Jag with the 3.0 or 5.0 it will store a hard fault. Can’t remember the code # but the description is Non Factory Software. That fun code is stamped into the hardware somehow. You can put a factory tune back in it but the code will remain till you replace the hardware.

tell me more about these trans problems. I’ve been looking at silverados but hear they loose drive in any range. Do you think that applies to the 2500 series trucks? I’m thinking about a 1500 with a hand mixer because of all that transmission stuff. But can you still buy a Silverado with a hand mixer? I know for ‘23 they brought back a 6.5 ft bed and a standard cab. Great for plowing.
 

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The 8 speed Silverados all have ongoing trans issues but they seem to have sorted it out with the 10 speed.

2500s are usually devoid of all the weird issues, besides diesel stuff.
 

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Do all these gears have a performance benefit or is it all about fuel efficiency?
If you towed something pretty heavy I think you would like it. The extra gears help keep a smaller engine in the power band I suppose. The busyness is usually fixed with software. But that being said, Toyota would have to supply the software to avoid voiding the warranty on the truck.

So does anybody know if you can get a silverado with a standard trans?