The gorilla

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kk88rrc said:
I bet there are more human children than all gorillas in this world. And I bet a young gorilla would not jump over an enclosure where a possible dangerous animal or person is being contained. We can spare a few kids... isn't that how natural selection works?!? :rolleyes:
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Nope. We invented zoos and guns. We put the gorilla in a zoo and then killed it when it threatened us. THAT'S natural selection.

Bitch.
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emmodg said:
Wow! So one human is more valuable than all the gorillas in the world? You would decimate a species for one human being? I'm not a creationist so perhaps I'm in the wrong "room" so-to-speak. I agree with Darwin and Einstein and Sagan and Hawking in that I believe humans are animals as well. We happen to be the highest on the evolutionary scale - well some of us - but we are indeed primates of the first order. I think nature - regardless of any "prime mover", god(s), or other mythical being - provides for a certain balance. Evolution through natural selection has allowed for all the current species on this little rock for a reason. It's not mere "chance" that gorillas or ants for that matter exist with us humans. There's a reason for it. To lay waste to ANY species out of marriage to some form of species conceit, or belief that we are the "chosen" animal on this planet and therefor "worth" more to nature and our world than any other species is bold to say the least. Maybe the very reason we as a species seek to save and maintain animal populations through conservation and education is the very thing that does put us so high on the species "list". I think destroying a whole population of animals - especaily a rare species - for the survival of only one of another may lead us back down the evolutionary ladder. There are 7,000,000,000 of us, there are just over 100,000 of them(gorillas). Many argue that there are too many of us! We as a species don't know when to stop making more of ourselves it seems. We seem to think famine and disease and war and starvation are a kind of "anomaly". Circumstances that just "go with the territory" I suppose. Nature isn't making more land fast enough to support 7 billion of us. Hell - we have to round up certain animals and put them in pins before we lose them to ourselves! We defend zoos as places where children can go see the animals we ourselves have a hand in decimating. I do certainly respect your opinion however. And I used to be guilty of "top of the food chain" arrogance as well. I could be VERY wrong in my thinking but I just can't believe that the natural order in this world exists by our own pleasure.
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Pretty much where I am, too.

And no one would really kill off every gorilla to save one child, shit thousands of kids are dying every single day and most could be saved by a day's paycheck but those aren't going out with the daily mail I'm betting. Hell volunteering after school for 3 hours a day would probably save a few, too.

Plus like what if it was one of those dying kids on one of those stupid "last trip I'll ever take" things. No one would really kill that gorilla then, esp if it was the last gorilla.

And it would really suck if someone killed the last gorilla and the kid grew up to touch preschoolers, or invented candy flavored heroin lollipops, or wore popped collars and brown sandals.

Gorillas show way more empathy than many people I know, and especially this one kid, who was in my charge at a school for fucked up kids, who threw a desk through a window, punched an 8 year old girl in the face, and sat on a female teacher's chest pounding her in the face until we could get him off her. He was 6'1" 200lbs and 13 years old. The 8 year old girl had told other kids he farted and it stunk.

I'd gladly watch that gorilla pull his arms off, and he was hardly one of the worst ones I've seen.
 
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Let me rephrase it to be a little less theoretical. If there was one male and female gorilla left in the world in a zoo and a 3 yr old kid fell in there with the gorillas, I'd shoot either of them without hesitation knowing that it would end the existence of gorillas.
 
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AbnMike said:
Pretty much where I am, too.

And no one would really kill off every gorilla to save one child, shit thousands of kids are dying every single day and most could be saved by a day's paycheck but those aren't going out with the daily mail I'm betting.
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Yup. Pure hypocrisy.

All the death of children around the world, and common, bleeding-heart people don't do shit about it. What's a few more kids? Are they suddenly more important because they just happen to be right in front of you?

Fuck that. People don't actually care. People don't actually care if your dog dies, or a family member, or anything else for that matter. It's an illusion perpetuated by the expectation that their peers care; but they don't.

Other forums are full of threads about people and pets dying, and the threads are full of "prayers" and sympathy, but nobody's losing any sleep over the affair. They just feel they must comment because it's expected.

I've never lost an ounce of sleep over any of that nonsense. I don't care. I don't know them.

The only difference between me and others in that respect is my recognition of the fact and public admission of the same. People call me cold, as a result.

I'm all about protecting the innocent, but the innocent are dying by the thousands every day. Doesn't matter where they are; it's the same.

I've done a lot of hands-on "good" in that respect, and I'm the one that admits he doesn't give a fuck...

Not in a million years would I exterminate a species for one child. Now, I might react more violently if it was my own kid in relation to one animal, but not for yours unless it's going to benefit me in some way. The same goes for everyone else; they just won't admit it.

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emmodg said:
Wow! So one human is more valuable than all the gorillas in the world? You would decimate a species for one human being? I'm not a creationist so perhaps I'm in the wrong "room" so-to-speak. I agree with Darwin and Einstein and Sagan and Hawking in that I believe humans are animals as well. We happen to be the highest on the evolutionary scale - well some of us - but we are indeed primates of the first order......
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Rush Limbaugh would like to know why that gorilla hadn't morphed into a human yet...

http://www.gq.com/story/rush-limbaugh-harambe-the-gorilla


I thought it would be an Onion headline, but it's legit. you can't make this shit up.
 
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Mike_Rupp said:
Let me rephrase it to be a little less theoretical. If there was one male and female gorilla left in the world in a zoo and a 3 yr old kid fell in there with the gorillas, I'd shoot either of them without hesitation knowing that it would end the existence of gorillas.
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I wouldn't. You can make more kids. Fuck there's almost 7,000,000,000 former kids on this planet. 353,000 are born every single day. Today. Tomorrow. Next Thursday. 353,000 every single day. And that number will increase.

Every second, 4.3 kids are squirted out of vaginas. There went 4.3. And another 8. And another 32 by the time you read this.

And you'd shoot one of the last gorillas to save one of them? No you wouldn't. Me either. Especially if it was a North Korean kid. Fuck those kids, they are creepy.
 
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So because there are 7B people, the value of a single life is reduced? This is all wonderful until that one person happens to be someone close to you. You think like Stalin & Mao. Who gives a fuck if we kill off a few million people? We'll have plenty left.
 
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Mike_Rupp said:
So because there are 7B people, the value of a single life is reduced? This is all wonderful until that one person happens to be someone close to you. You think like Stalin & Mao. Who gives a fuck if we kill off a few million people? We'll have plenty left.
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The value of a single life weighed against an entire species that will never again come back is reduced, yes.

No one spoke about a few million people, just one. As a species we make those kinds of decisions about people every single day: companies decide it's better to pay out insurance policies than change a thing. Nations decide it's ok to kill 10 people to get to one. We decide it's ok to nuke a couple cities to achieve an effect, etc.

And sure, if it was your kid or my kid I can see wanting to think more emotionally than pragmatically, but then again if my kid was stupid enough to be the one person in decades to climb into the last gorilla enclosure maybe I need to make a different and better one.
 
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Mike_Rupp said:
So because there are 7B people, the value of a single life is reduced? This is all wonderful until that one person happens to be someone close to you. You think like Stalin & Mao. Who gives a fuck if we kill off a few million people? We'll have plenty left.
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Point in fact the value of human life is much like that of any truck in the for sale section, it's worth what someone will pay for it. Americans are unusual in just how much they value human life but it is far cheaper elsewhere (ironic that I write that sitting in the PRC). While we may be at the top of the evolutionary chain, we are quite likely going to be our own undoing. Of course Rush probably doesn't be line that either.

Did the gorilla deserve to die for the sake of the kid, probably not...but in America we'll preserve that life bc that's our nature & it's both a strength and a weakness. I think Kenneth's point lends to the reality that our thin veneer of civility is just that, one catastrophic incident away from being much like anywhere else.
 
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kennith said:
Other forums are full of threads about people and pets dying, and the threads are full of "prayers" and sympathy, but nobody's losing any sleep over the affair. They just feel they must comment because it's expected.

I've never lost an ounce of sleep over any of that nonsense. I don't care. I don't know them.

The only difference between me and others in that respect is my recognition of the fact and public admission of the same. People call me cold, as a result.
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I'm with you there. My wife loves to watch Nancy Grace on Headline News. For those who don't know, the show picks "The horrible crime of the day", usually involving a murder, and harps on it over and over ad nauseam. There are also a few talking head "experts" and some remote relative of the victim thrown in for good measure.

My wife eats that shit up. "Oh, that's awful, how horrible, yada, yada" I hate that fucking show and the others like it. Yes, the crimes may be horrible, but if it wasn't for the show I would not know about it anyway, and I don't know the people involved. It does not affect my life one iota, except I have to hear Nancy Grace drone on in her angry prosecutor voice on something I don't give a rats ass about for an hour.

I guess I'm cold, too.
 
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