The never-ending Rack Thread

[curtis]

David - I agree with you 100% and that was never what I was saying. A verbal agreement is still an agreement. As is an email. As is a reciept. My initial statement referred only to stating a public threat of legal action or exposure might cross the line.

Now, to take the other side of the story: if you have a legal agreement with someone that states what recourse you can take if deliverables or payment are not met, you might have a leg to stand on and you can threaten them with criminal report, collections, or judgement.

Either way, like I have said time and again, I am pretty sure threats are not a good thing. They do not help your case and, in some cases, could hurt you. This is what I have always been told and something I try to follow in my prsonal and work relationships.

As an exaple David, thus far I have not seen you threated anyone (but I may have missed it). Others have and I was simply cautioning them.

 

[bri]

Not to beat this to dead or anything. I am with you Curtis. But there is no reason to have a stated recourse in a legal document, especially in a purchase. Maybe if you are buying a service it gets more ambiguous. If someone says they will give you something for money and do not, the legal recourse is implied.

In reality waivers and legal documents do not mean shit. You have to follow through with what you say you will and if it involve money and you don't you're a thief.

 

[agro1]

Luke - Pass the Valium..I seem to be running out and no more refills!

You and me both

 

[curtis]

You and me both

Ah hell, pass me one too. All is good

A couple of years ago I was on a really intense project and had some high stress. My doc gave me a 30 day scrip. I later told him that most of the worlds problems could be solved if everyone had a 10mg V a day in the evening.

He said he was not going to give me any more

 

[drg]

Yeah, but when we go and get all civil, nobody has any fun.

 

[kennith]

Andrew,

Thank you. That's all I can ask.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[Rover Puppy]

If my truck would fit on the autotrain, and if they'd allow my dogs, and if they'd give me valium so that I could sit still for 16 hours, I'd be tempted to leave home and head for Kyle's LKP.

Mind you, I'm not taking anyones side in this. I just want to find out if Kyle is okay.

 

[Roverjoe]

You know there is one point that I really haven't seen made in any of these threads.

If Kyle was even the slightest business-minded he would have hired a fabrication company many, many threads ago to produce these racks based on his design. Even with a 35% markup he would make a killing. I help run a retail design/production company and we do stuff like this all the time. Guess what - it's easy! You make a freaking drawing and give it to some shop with cellular processes for production. He could sit down with a CAD industrial designer for a few hours and have a shop drawing produced that could be used to mass-produce the main rack structure. Any changes/adds to the racks could be marked up on the drawings by hand. I don't know this guy, but based on what I know in my field he is waaaayyyy behind the times.

my 2 cents.

ps - Kyle if you are looking for someone to produce these racks for you I could make about 50 in two weeks with quality that is far superior to what you are building - CNC parts on a 3-axis router, TIG welded, CNC pipe bender, etc. I know what you are selling them for which is highway robbery.

 

[agro1]

LOL - now THAT is fucking classic, Joseph.

 

[pwp]

CNC Router ?

You makin wood parts ?

 

[nosivad_bor]

what do you have on the comparator peter?

i dont think a fancy shop would make much of a differnce in production time i've help build a few of these racks and i work in a machine /grindshop so i am aware of what those machines can do.

rd

 

[SuperJ]

Maybe we should automate further and use robots to make the welds on the wood parts. Seriously though anybody with ten minutes manufacturing experience knows an automated process does not magically ensure a quality product. Automating the production of a multipart weldment the size of the backpack rack would conservatively cost in excess of $25,000 by the time all the drawings were done, the fixtures were built and the setup for production was complete.

 

[Rover Puppy]

We will likely meet one day and know quite a few people in common. I will keep your comments in mind at that time

that sure seems dangerously close to a threat

I did not perceive that as a threat. If anything I thought it was pretty darn honest...

In my experience, drivers who modify their trucks are generally not what I have heard being referred to as "mall crawlers" -- they actually use their trucks and tend to venture into sometimes hazardous terrain.

That being said, we're all somewhat dependent on each other and you never know who is going to be the one who will end up saving your tush. The same person who you once thought was an incredible jerk on a bulletin board may very well end up being the one who retrieves your family and your truck when things go terribly wrong.

As a very wise and seasoned rover owner once told me "it will happen, the rover circle is not that big"

 

[pwp]

Seriously though anybody with ten minutes manufacturing experience knows an automated process does not magically ensure a quality product..

LOL that reminds me of what I tell my set up guys on a daily basis. "High produtction machines allow you to manufacture scrap just as fast !"


Rob, it's just the threaded end of a customers part.

It was more of a poser shot for our Brochure

 

[p m]

Maybe we should automate further and use robots to make the welds on the wood parts. Seriously though anybody with ten minutes manufacturing experience knows an automated process does not magically ensure a quality product. Automating the production of a multipart weldment the size of the backpack rack would conservatively cost in excess of $25,000 by the time all the drawings were done, the fixtures were built and the setup for production was complete.

hey Jay,

it's been a couple of years since you've come here, welcome back!

 

[SuperJ]

Thanks, I think it has probably been about three years and coincidentally I now have an almost three year old man child. I also went almost three years with no Jeep, Scout or Land Rover which is the first time I haven't owned at least one of those three since I was sixteen years old. My wife thought I was cured of that "four wheel drive nonsense", but I fell back into it innocently enough. I had to spontaneously wheel my Cayenne this past summer up in Northern MN to pickup some relatives after a BWCA trip went bad. The Atomic T-reg did surprisingly well considering it was on 20" PZero's at the time. I was actually thinking about buying a third set of wheels to mount some offroad tires on, when I got the chance to buy a repossessed 98 Disco with 30,xxx miles on it for $1500 more than the offroad wheels and tires for the Cayenne. After I got the maintenance issues squared away and the more obvious driveline upgrade components ordered I came back to Dweb to see what was new. I still need bumpers, skid plates, rock sliders, a rack and a PTO setup for an LT230Q. I am disapointed to see KVT is so embattled I always liked the look of his stuff especially his front bumper with a factory bar welded on to it.

 

[p m]

you planning on D60 it again?

 

[SuperJ]

110 Salisbury housing with 35 spline D60 internals and a 4.88 DL in the back. Jack Mac extreme duty front with 4.875 Vac locker. I am converting LT230q to a part time unit with 1.003 high range and custom 4.6 low ratio. I was lucky when I sold my last D1 with the 500 Cadillac 4l80/205 and the Danas I could have really taken a bath on that, so this time I am staying closer to the market.

 

[p m]

nice. closer to the market, lol!

 

[Roverjoe]

CNC Welder? I was planning on using my best watercooled TIG, and plasma cutter and my brand spanking new spray booth.