The official DWeb Defender vs Bronco

[DiscoHasBeen]

The Wildtrak and Badlands come with front and rear lockable differentials, and they’re easy to add to any other trim by adding the Sasquatch package. But there’s more to them than their seemingly wide availability. Ford tells me that a driver can choose to lock the rear one in 2-Hi mode, and that the front one can be locked by itself in 4-Lo mode. Normally, factory-installed front differentials are lockable only after the rear one is locked first, but the Bronco is set up to offer more driver control.

2021 Ford Bronco Suspension Speculative Deep Dive | Rubicon meets Ranger Raptor - Autoblog

Ford hasn’t released all of the new Bronco suspension details I’d like to see, but I did learn enough to come away impressed. OK, I’ll admit it. They can ha

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[discostew]

Chevy Colorado ZR2 offers a front locker in IFS from the factory. I don’t see why putting one in IFS v solid axle would be such a challenge

I was not aware Chevy put a locker in the front axle in the Colorado. I guess inhibiting it to only come on in low range would help.
It's not the fact that it's IFS or straight axle set up. It's more about what it would do to the steering at 40 mph under load when the front axle is locked.

 

[Blueboy]

H1 had independent frt and rear suspension with Eaton e-lockers in both. Along with a center diff lock.

 

[Blueboy]

It's more about what it would do to the steering at 40 mph under load when the front axle is locked

Or in deep snow!! First time I locked frt and rear in the Rangie in deep snow learned pretty quickly it only like going in a straight line no matter steering input.

 

[ERover82]

Alright! Which one of you senile twits clicked the wrong button?

 

[bri]

Alright! Which one of you senile twits clicked the wrong button?

Click on the results to see!

 

[discostew]

How many of you guys ordered your new Bronco. Because if you didn't this whole conversation is irrelevent. Why would any manufacturer care what a bunch of non buyers say.

 

[Blueboy]

Why would any manufacturer care what a bunch of non buyers say.

Pretty sure those folks are called potential buyers.

 

[discostew]

Not these clowns.

 

[mgreenspan]

How many of you guys ordered your new Bronco. Because if you didn't this whole conversation is irrelevent. Why would any manufacturer care what a bunch of non buyers say.

You can't "order" it yet. You are just putting a refundable $100 on a spot in line at the dealer of your choice when they start taking orders. I'd really like the base with Sasquatch package, but need to see pricing to determine if that makes the most sense. They won't be running out of slots. Missed the opportunity for the first edition reservation and I don't see the point in actually reserving the other models based on how many they'll be pumping out.

 

[SCSL]

How many of you guys ordered your new Bronco. Because if you didn't this whole conversation is irrelevent. Why would any manufacturer care what a bunch of non buyers say.
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Not these clowns.
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Hi Stew. I'm sorry you find me a "clown". But I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you don't have much of a background in marketing, product development/management, or really any kind of large-scale business.

Here's how this shit works. I'm a core customer: This year alone I've spent 6-figures buying a Defender and a Velar. So as it happens, I'm just not ready to pull the trigger on a new Bronco. But I LIKE it. And I'll help Ford advertise by telling my friends about it. And one day I may buy it. And that's the foundation upon which Ford (and JLR) runs their business: building cool products and generating enthusiasm among their current and future prospects. The more buzz this product generates, the more confident the average customer is buying it. Conversely, if "clowns" like me think it sucks, and we telegraph that fact on social media, the less confident the average customer is in purchasing it. And that's how you move a product and build a brand. You may not like it. You may wish it was otherwise. But that's how it is. So when you're managing a multi million dollar advertising budget, production budget, and payroll, you recognize these dynamics as your business reality and manage them appropriately.

So I'm not suggesting you change your persona as it exists on DWeb to the extent you find stirring the shitpot provides you with entertainment, particularly given the limited options for entertainment we find ourselves with in the midst of the Covid pandemic. I'm simply suggesting you STFU when you have literally no idea what you're talking about.

 

[p m]

Why would any manufacturer care what a bunch of non buyers say.

Stew,
Land Rover still claims it has the highest ownership retaining percentage of all manufacturers.
90% of current Land Rover owners not willing to pony up a fairly modest amount for what Land Rover claims as their best crowning achievement?
That's something.
Of course, 24 responses are not a whole lot of a sample.
People, chime in.

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Not these clowns.

I would normally count myself as part of "these clowns" - but I paid 33k for my D1 in 1999; it translates into about 52k in 2020, right at the MSRP of a stripper new 110. Paying 55-60k for a new 110 would not break me - and I did half-heartedly consider it before Grenadier and Bronco came out of the closet.

 

[SCSL]

Paying 55-60k for a new 110 would not break me - and I did half-heartedly consider it before Grenadier and Bronco came out of the closet.

Exactly this. And why it matters, Stew.

 

[discostew]

Stew,
Land Rover still claims it has the highest ownership retaining percentage of all manufacturers.
90% of current Land Rover owners not willing to pony up a fairly modest amount for what Land Rover claims as their best crowning achievement?
That's something.
Of course, 24 responses are not a whole lot of a sample.
People, chime in.

Edit:

I would normally count myself as part of "these clowns" - but I paid 33k for my D1 in 1999; it translates into about 52k in 2020, right at the MSRP of a stripper new 110. Paying 55-60k for a new 110 would not break me - and I did half-heartedly consider it before Grenadier and Bronco came out of the closet.

Hi Stew. I'm sorry you find me a "clown". But I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you don't have much of a background in marketing, product development/management, or really any kind of large-scale business.

Here's how this shit works. I'm a core customer: This year alone I've spent 6-figures buying a Defender and a Velar. So as it happens, I'm just not ready to pull the trigger on a new Bronco. But I LIKE it. And I'll help Ford advertise by telling my friends about it. And one day I may buy it. And that's the foundation upon which Ford (and JLR) runs their business: building cool products and generating enthusiasm among their current and future prospects. The more buzz this product generates, the more confident the average customer is buying it. Conversely, if "clowns" like me think it sucks, and we telegraph that fact on social media, the less confident the average customer is in purchasing it. And that's how you move a product and build a brand. You may not like it. You may wish it was otherwise. But that's how it is. So when you're managing a multi million dollar advertising budget, production budget, and payroll, you recognize these dynamics as your business reality and manage them appropriately.

So I'm not suggesting you change your persona as it exists on DWeb to the extent you find stirring the shitpot provides you with entertainment, particularly given the limited options for entertainment we find ourselves with in the midst of the Covid pandemic. I'm simply suggesting you STFU when you have literally no idea what you're talking about.

Clown is a term of endearmen, calm down, both of you. How can anyone have a solid opinion on any vehicle you haven't laid your hands on? I will agree I don't know anything about marketing. I just fix broken stuff. Chase electrons around expensive cars and trucks.

I do like stirring the shitpot around here, it wakes you guys up for a while.

 

[discostew]

Stew,
Land Rover still claims it has the highest ownership retaining percentage of all manufacturers.
90% of current Land Rover owners not willing to pony up a fairly modest amount for what Land Rover claims as their best crowning achievement?
That's something.
Of course, 24 responses are not a whole lot of a sample.
People, chime in.

Edit:

I would normally count myself as part of "these clowns" - but I paid 33k for my D1 in 1999; it translates into about 52k in 2020, right at the MSRP of a stripper new 110. Paying 55-60k for a new 110 would not break me - and I did half-heartedly consider it before Grenadier and Bronco came out of the closet.

But how can anyone ponyup for a vehicle that isn't in the showrooms. Covid has destroyed the assembly lines for most of our product line. I was reading today that even the big 3 in the states here are having trouble keeping enough work force to run all the assembly lines because of people calling in sick, or quarantined.

 

[DiscoHasBeen]

Why would any manufacturer care what a bunch of non buyers say.

I'll take a stab. They would want to know why. If I were selling a thing I'd be as interested (maybe more so) why someone didn't buy (like it) as why the did.

 

[DiscoHasBeen]

Of course, 24 responses are not a whole lot of a sample.

Those and the 7k who snatched up the First Edition models, making Ford a cool 213 million.

 

[p m]

Clown is a term of endearmen, calm down, both of you. How can anyone have a solid opinion on any vehicle you haven't laid your hands on? I will agree I don't know anything about marketing. I just fix broken stuff. Chase electrons around expensive cars and trucks.

I do like stirring the shitpot around here, it wakes you guys up for a while.

I don't take any offense at all. I think everything I've been called on Discoweb in all these years was true

But I did lay my hands on the new Defender, and sat in it. Liked the dashboard, and that was pretty much all I liked.

What JLR could not grasp was that it is the looks that sells the new vehicle - new Defender could be the only vehicle on the planet that can climb vertical walls, but if it looks like a Honda Element, it'll sell like a Honda Element.

Ford got it perfectly right - even if the new Bronco is a complete dud as a vehicle, it looks like a tasteful rendition of the old one. And it proved yet again that Jerry McGovern was full of steamy shit when he claimed JLR could no longer produce a vehicle with the stance of old Defender and satisfy some imaginary requirements.

 

[discostew]

I like the Bronco from what I see. How many new products do you think I've seen come down the shoot in 40 yrs of fixing cars in dealerships. I can love the shit out of every sales add I see but I will never decide to buy something until I get my hands on it. I've seen way to many products not live up to expectations.

I'm not sure how many car mechanics you guys have known thru the years, but I'll help you understand how I have become a little rough around the edges. When I was in my mid to late twenties I was an Oldsmobile Master tech. The way it worked back then was to earn that level of certification you first qualified to take the test, then took a closed book/ timed test that was graded on a curve. So you had to earn it. Now you take so many classes, work so many years and then you get the trophy. At 26 years old I had been working for Olds for 9 yrs. I already had a attitude, but I have always managed to make myself a nec. evil. Not sure if you guys remember the Olds Quad 4 engine. It had a big time headgasket problem. Recalled twice, so when I was doing a head gasket on one of those engines it was probably the second recalled headgasket going in that car. That headgasket paid 8.5 hours to do. 9.5 if you had to replace the head. I would do 2 of them a day, when most of the old guys in the shop couldn't finish one in a whole day. I had them down to 3 hours on average. I would rebuild Roosamaster injection pumps for the shitbox diesel in a few hours. There are a lot of mechanics that will tell you the same story. Now I'm an old man and wanted to retire but got sucked back in to run the shop and dispatch about 60 to 70 cars a day accross 3 car lines and train Jaguar and Land Rover techs.

I don't try to be a dick, I just suffer idiots poorly. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I get it, I fully understand that I should not deal with customers and will also admit that what you see is what you get.

 

[Agent]

I was not aware Chevy put a locker in the front axle in the Colorado. I guess inhibiting it to only come on in low range would help.
It's not the fact that it's IFS or straight axle set up. It's more about what it would do to the steering at 40 mph under load when the front axle is locked.

I would guess that control of the lockers would be tied to some sort of ECU that would allow it to only be locked under certain parameters. I would imagine some form of only being selectable in low range at low speed as far as the front locker is concerned.