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     Stephan Laputka (Sflash868) New Member Username: Sflash868 Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2002 |
I"m trying to plan a trip out West and I would like to get information from people who have gone to Colorado and Utah for off-roading as to when the best time of year is to go. I wanted to go in May but i'm worried there will still be a decent amount of snow at that time. When is a good time to go? Thnx | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 97 Registered: 01-2003 |
Where in UT/CO. In southern UT, like Moab you sould be fine. Easter is Jeep safari time in Moab, so I'd suggest to avoid moab if you want to be away from crowds. I would think in UT you'd be fine almost anywhere in the state expect in high elevations. If you are doing the typical southern Utah trails you should be fine. You can check on road conditions by going through the local to the areas BLM offices or national forest regional offices in UT or for CO. For CO. I'd think that most all of the trails would be open, expect snow and mud in high elevations and watch for snow run off swollen streams to ford. But you should be able to find trails that get you where you want to go without to much trouble. May is good for southern UT, because the heat isn't to bad. June, July, August is nice and hot during the day, but reasonable at night. Wheeling is fine, A/C, but hiking and mountain biking has to be done in the AM or evening to get away form the heat. If you know the areas you want to go to I'll get you those BLM numbers so you can check on conditions. I live in Salt Lake by the way, I have spent most of my time exploring Utah, but this summer I plan on checking out CO. | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 195 Registered: 10-2002 |
Many if not all of the trails that are above 9000 feet in CO will still be snow packed in May. Mid to Late June for trails like FlatTops and RedCone. Awesome trails though! | ||
| Eric Pena (Evalp) Senior Member Username: Evalp Post Number: 449 Registered: 06-2002 |
I think August is the best time to wheel in Colorado. | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 98 Registered: 01-2003 |
I've been told the same; July, Augest, early September is the best for the high CO trails. But as with any high elevations, snow can happen anytime of year and August and September are good times for lighting storms. Judging by our snow this year in UT, you could probably wheel in the higher elevations in Utah, but I'm guessing your going to be in the southern part of the state and you probably aren't looking at going above 9000 feet for wheeling. I say this, and right now its pouring down snow outside, so always check before you go on conditions. | ||
| Stephan Laputka (Sflash868) New Member Username: Sflash868 Post Number: 15 Registered: 12-2002 |
Are there good trials in Colorado that are not in the higher elevations that are challenging? Otherwise it sounds to me that Utah is a go during May. Has anyone tried Red COne Pass with snow covering that one descent.. that would be worth some pictures. Where is the better wheeling, in northern or southern Utah? I also heard rumors about court cases that are trying to close the Rubicon, is this true? ALso, i know this is a stupid question, but I live in the east and if i ever see another car off-roading, it's usually a cop telling me i'm on private land. How many jeeps/other rigs, could populate a trail to denote it as crowded? I guess i'm just wondering what it's like as I have no clue | ||
| Dave_lucas (Dave_lucas) Senior Member Username: Dave_lucas Post Number: 352 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hi Stephan, Colorado has some great 4x4 trails, I would recommend checking out www.4x4trails.net as they have a large amount of trails listed online. You should also consider getting the following Charles wells books, they are a great guide and will help you plan your trip. I would say that it would be best to plan on trails in southern part of Colorado around Colorado Springs and the Denver area for that time of the year as most of the trails in Northern Colorado are still closed due to snow and erosion of the trails. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0966497619/qid=1048738768/sr=1-4/r ef=sr_1_4/104-5302480-1608769?v=glance&s=books http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0966497627/qid=1048738727/sr=1-3/r ef=sr_1_3/104-5302480-1608769?v=glance&s=books I would also recommend that you plan on spending time in Moab UT (about 7 hours from Denver), Moab is truly amazing, I have lived in Colorado most of my life and the beauty of Moab keeps me coming back time and time again, granted it is a different beauty than you will experience in Colorado but still something that should be experienced in your life time, I personally think I could spend a month in Moab and still not have seen all of the sites and trails that they have, regardless of the path you choose be it a mix of time between Moab and Colorado or dedicating your time to one area you will have the opportunity to experience a trip that will last a life time. How many days are you going to spend in this area? Enjoy your journey, | ||
| Dick Walker (Wyo183121) New Member Username: Wyo183121 Post Number: 38 Registered: 02-2003 |
Stephan Southern Co. around Lake City/Silverton/Ouray is probably one of the prettiest four wheeling areas in the country. Snow doesn't melt in the passes until mid summer. | ||
| Stephan Laputka (Sflash868) New Member Username: Sflash868 Post Number: 16 Registered: 12-2002 |
Dave, Thanks for all the info. I ordered some books yesterday from 4x4 books.com i'm not sure who the authors are but they were highly recommended. (i know that doesn't mean much) When the books come (today) I will sit down with a topo map and a gps and a good cup of coffee and start drawing some lines. I"m trying to do it in 2 weeks. I know this isn't a lot of time but as a freshman in college I unfortunately must get an internship this summer. I figure if my friend and I rotate driving around the clock to Colorado we can make it in three days without a problem. So i was hoping to spend about seven or eight days off-roading between Colorado and Utah. This isn't a lot of time and i think i might be able to squeeze out 2 or 3 more days but i'm not sure. Are there any good overnight trails with good camping spots that someone could recommend? My range rover eats gas as it's job, but I'm curious to know how long one can stay on the trail before running out of gas. I"m sure with extra tanks all day and overnight isn't a problem but has anyone done 2 or 3 days? Last thing, my friend is going to buy an 87 Range Rover and do it up, which might be the second car for this trip but greater numbers are better, does anyone want to meet up for some of these trails and show me the sights? | ||
| Eric Pena (Evalp) Senior Member Username: Evalp Post Number: 451 Registered: 06-2002 |
In May you might be pushing it to find a good trail with out too much snow. Ouray is a really nice area and Red Cone not a bad trail but the decent sould never be attempted with any trace of snow!! | ||
| Chu Y. Son (Cyson) New Member Username: Cyson Post Number: 21 Registered: 01-2003 |
7 hours to Moab??? Those new gears must be really slowing you down, Dave.  | ||
| Dave_lucas (Dave_lucas) Senior Member Username: Dave_lucas Post Number: 354 Registered: 02-2002 |
How long would it take you now Chu? | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 101 Registered: 01-2003 |
Shot me a mail about moab, I'm always up for a trip to there. I agree, if you go to Utah, go wheeling in Moab. The northern and central parts of this state have some great wheeling areas. But if you have never been to the Moab area you just need to go. It is another world . Colorado could give you the mountain views for wheeling, Moab would give you the slickrock and desert feel of the west. All the states out here you can't really go wrong in finding to beautiful views. Most Moab trails you can run in a day or two. I tend to top off the gas before hand and don't seem to have a problem. Carrying a jerry can wouldn't hurt though. As for camping, all need to do is be on BLM property and you can camp. Its primitive so pack out your trash and bury your poop. If you check your books out, you should see maps to first come first serve campgrounds in the moab area. The ones off of main roads fill fast, but the back country ones tend to not fill up. Any in the national parks need permits, and fill fast. Check out your books, lots of long and short trails, with your time frame, I'd suggest find good loops with about a day to complete one. Moab can get crowded, the town will be full of people and driving through town ends up like going through rush hour. The major trails you will find bikers and wheelers almost all the time. If your there during the jeep safari, try to avoid the trails that are being run by the organized crowds. You'll end up waiting a lot on trail and trying to get off trail and out of the way. The one time I went there over easter I didn't like it. The jeep safari people are pretty cool, but the event attracts students out of school and lots of other people vacationing. Seemed to me way to many drunks driving off road. Moab only gets super crowded twice a year, the Easter jeep safari and in june for a street rod show. All rest of the time its reasonable, but never expect to be completely alone unless its winter. | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 565 Registered: 09-2002 |
Of course you could do Independance trail. Hardly ever any snow there. Then again if you decide to do that one better make sure it is the last trail on your itinerary. | ||
| Art Vigil (Colorover) Member Username: Colorover Post Number: 61 Registered: 02-2003 |
"Has anyone tried Red Cone Pass with snow covering that one descent.. " A few years back, I attempted that trail about this time of the year with two other D90's. There was no snow on the steep portions but when we got down to the bottom we discovered the trail was completely covered by drifting snow and totally impassable. At the bottom, we encountered another group of wheelers who had been stranded down there for a couple of days. They'd been walking into town to sleep but had spent the last two days recovering their hopelessly stuck vehicles which had slid off the trail when trying to find another way out. In the end, we got one of the vehicles out and they had to leave two trucks behind for later recovery. You may be asking yourself how we got our vehicles out if the trail was impassable. We had to drive UP the way we came in. I was the only vehicle with open diffs and it took three attempts, meaning I had to back down in REVERSE twice. Scariest #&%! trip of my life but I slept in my own bed that night and considered myself very lucky that I did not have to leave my vehicle behind. Needless to say, I will not ever attempt that trail again until July at the earliest unless someone I know has done it first. ~Art Denver | ||
| Stephan Laputka (Sflash868) New Member Username: Sflash868 Post Number: 17 Registered: 12-2002 |
I was going to go about two weeks after easter, how long does the jeep safari go on for. If i went around May 10 or 11 would I be hitting Jeep traffic? | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 102 Registered: 01-2003 |
http://www.4x4now.com/moab.htm http://www.moab-utah.com/jeep/safari.html check out that second link for date info, your dates look fine. | ||
| Stephan Laputka (Sflash868) New Member Username: Sflash868 Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2002 |
Ok, so I think i'm locked in with dates. Next question: should I get a hotel room in Moab and just leave in the mornings for trails and come back at night, a sort of base camp deal. Or check out each day and stay in the town closest to the exit of whatever trail i'm doing? Are there even towns around the trails, i know it's remote but is it no civilization remote? I'm going to go sit down with some maps and try to put trail runs to some dates and see what i come up with. It seems to me that with weather conditions in Colorado and my limited time, does anyone think I should skip Colorado and spend all my valuable time in Utah? Is that a good idea or no? | ||
| Dave_lucas (Dave_lucas) Senior Member Username: Dave_lucas Post Number: 355 Registered: 02-2002 |
"come back at night, a sort of base camp deal. Or check out each day and stay in the town closest to the exit of whatever trail i'm doing?" The great thing about Moab is most of the trails surround the town, I always just pick a hotel and keep it for the entire time I am there, I think it may take about 10 Min to get from one side of the town to the other so to me it does not matter what side you are on. After looking at the maps you will start to see what I am saying most of the trails are 10 - 20 minutes from the heart of Moab. | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 105 Registered: 01-2003 |
Most of the mountain bike trails are the same as the wheeling trails. In the mtb guide books they tell you to ride from town to and from the trail heads. Moab is the only town. The "exits" to the trails consist of dirt roads off of the 2 lane paved roads. The major interstate (70) is 45 minutes from moab. Moab is cool, but missing the chance to run a trail Colorado would be a loss. My opinion, if your doing a major road trip, go for wheeling in multiple states, what the hell, you could always go back to UT or CO and do more trails another day. Your a student, just leave home for all summer and wheel your way throughout the west. Hit AZ,WY,ID,NV,MT and go for the pacific northwest too. Get a gas card and lots of ramine noodles and sleep in the RRC, I'm sure your parents won't mind paying for it Say that this is your internship, western US land use exploration. Your only a freshman in college once. | ||
| Stephan Laputka (Sflash868) New Member Username: Sflash868 Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2002 |
It's funny you should mentiont that whole "parents" thing. I tried rationally explaining to them i'm driving across country to pound a perfectly good range rover over some rocks and cliffs. They asked me why I would want to do something like that and i honestly could not answer. "You just don't understand" was the best I could come up with. Has anyone tried answering the question "why do you like off-roading?" it really stumps you. As for wheeling through the West, sounds like a great idea, would love to do it, but i simply can't get enough time. I figured with two weeks to play with i'd go to the best documented trails that are arguably the best off-roading in the west with the most spectacular scenery. In contrast, the last trip i attempted taking was to Fiddleheads in Maine. I decided to go two hours before a convoy of local Rover owners were leaving. I was throwing random things in the back of my truck in the dark not paying attention to things i actually might need. At that time my Rover wouldn't start until 4 or 5 tries and sputtered and stalled while idling not to mention it wouldn't shift into first gear but shit I was ready to go. Since that attempt at a trip i'm trying to downplay the "youg and stupid" factor and take my time in thouroughly planning this out. Then again me and my best friend from college driving cross country in a bright yellow range rover, something is bound to go wrong. Thanks for all the info i'm getting, it's really helping me out. Would anyone be interested in some trail runs in Moab between may 12 and june 1??? | ||
| TPH (Snowman) Senior Member Username: Snowman Post Number: 348 Registered: 12-2002 |
Stephan- My suggestion is to take your parents along on some local trails for the day. Pack a lunch, get a little muddy and have some laughs. Enjoy being with them on the trail and introduce them to off-roading. Maybe they will then understand your urge to off-road your Rover. Good luck and be safe, it sounds like a fun trip. S- | ||
| Stephan Laputka (Sflash868) New Member Username: Sflash868 Post Number: 20 Registered: 12-2002 |
My mom used to not understand it, but my dad was fine. When i was a little kid (12) my dad took me to Rover North's off-road driving school. I got to give them RN credit, they let a 12 year old kid drive a manual defender and a disco off-road. My dad had a defender that he did up for show and then got interested in actually seeing what off-roading was about. WHen i got my liscense my first car was an 88 range rover that was faily modified and i just took more of a liking to it then he did. That was then, my mom has no problems with me taking this trip. Actually my mom rode shotgun with me at the last Rover event I went to in Killington VT. She did all the trail runs and even took some pictures. ON another note.. if you were to get a set of tires what would u get between these two, procomp xterrain or goodyear MTR? Does anyone have opinions on the two? | ||
| Sean Hanagan (Seanh) Member Username: Seanh Post Number: 210 Registered: 05-2002 |
MTR!!!! The Xt's are directional and don't flex well unless aired down below 10psi. The MTR is a great tire for road noise and wear. I have two friends with the XT's(35"and 37") and they won't buy them again. | ||
| Stephan Laputka (Sflash868) New Member Username: Sflash868 Post Number: 21 Registered: 12-2002 |
Yeah, I have heard a lot of good things about the MTR's but i was just curious. How do you think an MTR will stack up to the performance of my current tires: TSL Swampers (265/80) | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 294 Registered: 08-2002 |
Moab is one kind of environment and Ouray area is another. They are about 3-4 hours apart, but I have not clocked it. Both are the some of the most scenic areas in their states for off-roading. Ouray will still have some snow at elevation. Don't worry about planning too much. Afterall your plans will change based on who you meet on the trail (maybe you are going as a single vehicle?), weather... might as well just plan as best as possible the night before and then adjust in the morning. At least list the trails that you would like to run before getting there. You limiting factor might be the fact that you will be traveling as a single vehicle. Always remember to walk the trail if in doubt (I too learned a lesson like Art's, but not a life threatening one). I regret not walking the trail to this day, had I seen the bottom of the trail, I would not have done it. Your explanation of pounding over rocks and cliffs likely would not go far with many people, let alone your parents. Yes I have answered the question of why I like offroading and there are many reasons a few are listed below. 1- The places that you get to see. Getting to some of the most remote camping and hiking areas. Seeing the most beautiful country in the world. 2- The solitude of being where no one else chooses to be. Trekking in the most remote places. 3- The challenge of getting to these remote placings. 4- The challenge of being prepared for anything. 5- The challenge of being self-sufficient. | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 296 Registered: 08-2002 |
Oh yeah... 6- The people you meet (sometimes a negative too). 7- The comradery of being out with people like Dave Lucas, Brian Friend, Eric Pena and Sean Hanagen. | ||
| Stephan Laputka (Sflash868) New Member Username: Sflash868 Post Number: 23 Registered: 12-2002 |
I'm not completely sure with what trails i'm going to do yet, but when I do I will post them. Hopefully, somebody would like to join me for a few trail runs... please. I will put dates to the trails and hopefully some people will be able to make it. I was thinking about Golden Spike, Pritchett Cayon, Kane Creek, steel bender and a few other ones. Some of these trails a REALLY don't wanna do alone. If i am forced to do them alone then I guess I will be as careful as possible, not bending anthing, getting stuck etc. My mother and brother might meet me and my friend for a bit out there so i'm trying to find some nice scenic trails with no heart stopping drop offs but still are fun, any suggestions?? | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 307 Registered: 08-2002 |
Some of those trails do not have bypasses on obstacles, so likely you will want to make smart judgements if alone. Steelbender is an excellent trail that I ran in Jan. There are about 5 places that may test your skill. There is a trail called Seven Mile Rim it is around Monitor-Merrimac Buttes, Determination towers. It will also take you near to Wipe out hill. This would be good for nearly any skill level and would be very entertaining to watch any folks on wipeout hill. | ||
| Stephan Laputka (Sflash868) New Member Username: Sflash868 Post Number: 24 Registered: 12-2002 |
How about Kane Creek? I was looking that one up and it seems pretty cool. How deep will the water be during May, i was reading it can be pretty deep during heavy rains or run off. | ||
| Dave_lucas (Dave_lucas) Senior Member Username: Dave_lucas Post Number: 363 Registered: 02-2002 |
Kane Creek is a nice trail, there are really only two obstacles but neither of them have bypasses, one is a steep loose rock climb with a drop off on the drivers side and the other is a set of rock steps as you come out of the creek, I do not think I would do this trail alone just because of the drop off and it is a long walk out if you break. I do not know what the trail is like in May, but we had a heavy rain the night before we did the trail. Here are some pics Creek after hard rain http://www.discoweb.org/davelucas/33.jpg Climb up loose hill http://www.discoweb.org/davelucas/35.jpg Climb up loose hill http://www.discoweb.org/davelucas/34.jpg More pics of our trip on Kane Creek http://keith.miata.net/postcards/solihull2002_2/photos.php?1 | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 627 Registered: 09-2002 |
Dave, Very cool pics. Moab looks like Mars and the hyrogriphics (sp?) is way cool. btw.....your bumpers in those pics look like ass | ||
| Stephan Laputka (Sflash868) New Member Username: Sflash868 Post Number: 25 Registered: 12-2002 |
This is a draft of the schedule that i threw together. leave May 13 Arrive May 15 (around the clock driving) May 16 (Friday)- Tower Arch and/or Hidden Canyon May 17 (saturday)- Sevenmile rim and/or Metal Masher i don't think that the two of them can be done in a day so i think it's going to be metal. May 18 (sunday) - Golden spike (all of it) Would really like another car for this trail May19 (Monday) - Poisen spider mesa May 20 (Tuesday)- Cliff hanger and/or Pritchett Canyon May 21 (Wedesday) - Flat Iron mesa and/or fins&things May 22 (thurs) - Steel Bender and/or Top of the world May 23 (fri) - Salt Creek and/or Kane Creek May 24 (sat) - Elephant Hill and/or Top ofthe world Leaving Moab May 28 I know that this is probably never going to work out. I don't think that it is possible to be doing two trails on some of the days but maybe. I"m sure something will break, hopefully it won't be a "trip ending breakdown" but nonetheless u-joints, diffs, axles all seem game to me. The main reason i posted this schedule was to ask if anyone would be available on some these days to join me for a few trail runs. I really would not like to do some these alone. I tried to plan some of the hard ones on weekends so I'd run a better chance of people being free. Any input on all this would be much aprreciated. | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 312 Registered: 08-2002 |
The link above to keiths web page has some pictures of Sevenmile, Steelbender, Rosegarden hill and others. | ||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 51 Registered: 12-2002 |
wow! thats a pretty ambitious schedule. we'll be there 11-15. don't underestimate pritchett by yourself! jeep safari that weekend, be prepared for tons of people marc | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 315 Registered: 08-2002 |
There are quite a few there that I would not do alone, but hey I am old and overly careful. Jeep safari is April 12-20 and Moab events calendar does not mention another jeep safari in May. Stephen, I might be up for one of those weekends, but likely I cannot decide untile the first of May. Also, saw this while browsing: http://www.okoffroad.com/OKRovers/events-moab-03.htm | ||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 52 Registered: 12-2002 |
oops! brian is right, i read may and was thinking april. jeep safari is in april. salt lake group will also be down may 16-18. stephan drop me a line we usually stay at the castle rock inn. marc | ||
| Stephan Laputka (Sflash868) New Member Username: Sflash868 Post Number: 26 Registered: 12-2002 |
That's another thing i havn't worked out quite yet, where to stay? Any hotel recomendations that isn't outrageously expensive but nice for a vacation? Brain, I agree with you i wouldn't want to do any of them alone that's why i'm hoping people are going to be free around then. If i am forced to do them with just my friend and I, we will be as careful as anyone on 4 wheels can be. Who is the Salt Lake group? Marc, your going to be there May 11-15, that's the weekend i'm hoping to arrive, will you be wheeling on the 15 or packing up to go home? | ||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 53 Registered: 12-2002 |
stephan, salt lake group? just a bunch of people with rovers, a few from great basin, a few from redrock rovers and a few friends. we'll be down on april 11-15, may 2-4, and may 16-18. (six weeks is about as far out as we plan trips) check moab visitors site for hotels/motels etc... if we're not at the castlerock (right in town)we're camping on the trail. lots of hotels to chose from, plan on spending anywhere from $40-$85 a night. marc | ||
| Stephan Laputka (Sflash868) New Member Username: Sflash868 Post Number: 27 Registered: 12-2002 |
What trails have the best camping? | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 151 Registered: 01-2003 |
I personally like the camping area by gooney bird rock on the bottom half of the gemini bridges trail. Easy shelf road to get to, never crowded, easy to use as a base camp because of location, pretty views. Also there is a nice camp site near the end of that seven mile trail by the merrimac and monitor butte, could probably use this one for the elephant hill trail, depends on how you exit the trail. Pretty sure, but can't remember, the ends of the moab rim trail have some areas, down by the Colorado river on the one side. I only biked Kane creek and the rim trail, but I'm pretty sure both had sites. The road to Hurrah pass has some nice sites with good base camp possiblities, but those will fill up. Get a map showing BLM land, like a quad map or gazetter(SP?) and you can find camping areas easy. I can send you some TIF files of those quads if you like, I can also copy my gazetter and send some pages to you, let me know. Marc, have any more room for another salt laker with a rover? It would be great to meet more rover people to wheel with. | ||
| Stephan Laputka (Sflash868) New Member Username: Sflash868 Post Number: 28 Registered: 12-2002 |
Yeah any info you could send would be awesome, I need all I can get. ALso, is camping free or do you need to reserve a site or something? | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 153 Registered: 01-2003 |
Depends, most BLM sites around Moab are first come first serve. The back country ones are primitive, no toilets or trash, so leave no trace. The sites along the colorado river have pit toilets and cost like $5 a night with a 16 day limit. The sites in the national parks I think cost like $18 buck a night and have running water and showers, those can be reserved, check out nation park web sites for arches and canyon lands. Also plenty of locally run camp grounds that have running water, I don't know costs but check the moab web site for links. Personally I usally take my 2 dogs, so the easiest for me is to go to backcountry sites like the ones I listed. I started to carry a; http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=4000000800 0&productId=5397485&parent_category_rn=4500612 , last year for err... solid waste ... But I only did that because of the amount of time I spend in Utah's deserts and the difficulty of biodegrading in the desert. You don't need on one for short trips. Good to have a roof rack for that thing though... I'll email you some quad maps, I make some TIF files in m.s. paint, let me know if they work. | ||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 54 Registered: 12-2002 |
andy, always plenty of room, apparently you've been with a couple of people already (matt rigby, jake porter etc...)we go every so often and have a really full year planned. marc | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 154 Registered: 01-2003 |
Cool let me know. Since my truck is broken down right now and I'm frustrated with it, I could use a reason not to push it off a cliff or going out and trading in the LR for a Jeep (oh no!). I gave up and dropped it off at regent street to figure out today. We (Matt, Jake, and others) tried to start a email group to get out wheeling with LR owners. Didn't work to well, do you guys have a email list, yahoo group, or is it word of mouth. Send me a email at andythoma@netzero.com lets try to go wheeling sometime. | ||
| Stephan Laputka (Sflash868) New Member Username: Sflash868 Post Number: 31 Registered: 12-2002 |
5{ winding down to the day I leave and I think I got all my crap together, but I'm still curious about the cmaping laws. I was curious to know if it's legal to camp off to the side of the trails. Or do i have to go to a designated camp site? | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 200 Registered: 01-2003 |
If your in BLM or public lands you can camp pretty much anywhere. Along the trails are fine except in the national parks, then you have to be registered and at the designated site you picked before you left. Any camping along the colorado river has to be in designated sites, mainly because the canyon you go through is tight and not a lot of areas to camp other then the plentiful sites provided with pit toilets. Those are like $7 a night and first come first serve. Watch for BLM signs and national park boundry signs, that will give you ideas where to go. Stop in the blm office in Moab if you want more info, Also just look for a bike shop or 4x4 tour shop and buy a trail map, you should see areas marked for camping. | ||
| david summers (Texmoto) Member Username: Texmoto Post Number: 43 Registered: 12-2002 |
Stephan, I will be there May 11-17, with the OKRovers group. I was thinking of doing Elephant Hill on Friday or Saturday. Let me know if your trail schedual is flexible and if you are intersted. That goes for anyone else as well. | ||
| Stephan Laputka (Sflash868) New Member Username: Sflash868 Post Number: 32 Registered: 12-2002 |
I should be leaving the 13th and make it out there by the 15th at best, so the 16th, friday sounds good. I would prefer saturday the 17th if that's good with you, but either is fine. Otherwise yeah, I'd like to join you. | ||
| david summers (Texmoto) Member Username: Texmoto Post Number: 44 Registered: 12-2002 |
Stephan, Cool. Email me with a way to contact you once you are in town. BTW, what are you driving? |
