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     Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) New Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2004 |
Hour North of Albany NY For the first time we're inviting a few guests on this run. Looks like Mother Nature is going to let us see 35-40 F on Saturday and Sunday, so after putting this off for VERY cold weater it's a go. Trail is a difficult mountain climb covered in 2-3 feet of snow. Lower half of trail has been kept broken, but the push for the summit is virgin snow. Expect LONG winch pulls. You can bring a non winch-vehicle, but once forward progress has stopped, you will be winched out of the trail. Seats will be plenty so you'll have a ride to the top. I have several extra sets of 235x85 chains available for anyone needing them. Saturday morning schedule has a TJM rear D1 bumper install seminar for anyone interested in seeing this done. A D2 with TJM bullbar will be on hand for your inspection. Around 10am we'll hit the trail. Dress warmly in layers. If you don't have the proper clothing and boots you'll be asked to leave. If you have any questions please e-mail. Accomodations can be found locally. E-mail for directions. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 750 Registered: 11-2002 |
This is hillarious. Is this on public land or private land ? "Blow me" | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) New Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 16 Registered: 02-2004 |
372 Private acres, why hillarious?... We roll year round. Drop the Swampers to 4 Psi and float Baby! How many miles do you have on your winch? Cheers, Lyman | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 751 Registered: 11-2002 |
Well its probably the first time that I have seen a thread here about getting somewhere no matter the aparatus.... The old RE has a few on it , thats for sure... "Blow me" | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) New Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 17 Registered: 02-2004 |
This trail is a good trail for stock vehicles to attempt as there are numerous places to pull to the side. it is a round trip trail, so we'll pick their trucks up on the way down. As I said, lower 1/2 of trail is broken and stock vehicles will have little problem. Upper 3/4 of a mile will take most of the day for the 3 or 4 trucks out of all that have the capability to reach the top. Rear locker with 34-36" swampers at 4psi with screws in outer lugs and winch with dual batteries in parallel will be the setup for the day. Front locker actually seems to impeade progress in these conditions, and causes the front to dig and sink. Normally I would set vehicle guide lines, but I hate to exclude newbies the chance to see what we do. Some of the more extreame guys started out as newbies through one of these opportunities. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 752 Registered: 11-2002 |
Wish I had the time , I would bring the stocker up... ?  "Blow me" | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) New Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 20 Registered: 02-2004 |
Do it! I just got a new ARB snatch strap.... | ||
| justin monnin (Ineedthissale) Member Username: Ineedthissale Post Number: 47 Registered: 12-2003 |
well kyle i appreciate the opportunitie to test my stock truck. thanks lyman ill see you sat. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 768 Registered: 11-2002 |
ARB strap ?? Naaaa , I would probably just winch ya up...... "Blow me" | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) New Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 27 Registered: 02-2004 |
I was thinking i could ski behind you while holding the strap.... | ||
| Aaron Richardet (Draaronr) Senior Member Username: Draaronr Post Number: 426 Registered: 09-2002 |
Is it me or does Lyman not realize who Kyle is. Not trying to toot your horn Kyle, but I have spent money on dweb on the videos, so I have a good idea that your winch has been used once or twice. Lyman the trip sounds like fun if you like the cold, but personally that is why I moved south. I would love to come to a winter trip, but I sure like the heat. | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) New Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 28 Registered: 02-2004 |
After re-reading my first post, I'd have to agree with Kyle, the post was a little rough. I'm used to just throwing up a date and time and my guys know what to do. Touche. I'll have to work on that. I've seen some of the videos too, no doubt kyle's winch has been used. But I was literally talking miles... Push to summit will have 15-20 full hard pulls. 2000+ ft in just one day. Different geographic locations have different terrain, for which different evolutions of trucks can be seen. What flexes on the west coast may not make it over the mud covered rocks on the east. One thing I can say for sure, deep snow is VERY sobering. If you think you have a bad ass rig that can handle any trail, try it with a foot of snow. Most people can't drive on the street with a foot of snow let alone offroad. I haven't been on this board for a few years, but rest assured I've been around. Why do we do this run? There is something magical about the teamwork and camaraderie we have getting trucks to the top of a mtn with no purpose other than to do it. Why walk up and down a mtn basicaly twice to winch your truck to the top only to turn around and come back down....If you tried it once you would understand. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1641 Registered: 02-2003 |
i gotta ask what winch you're using... rd | ||
| Aaron Richardet (Draaronr) Senior Member Username: Draaronr Post Number: 428 Registered: 09-2002 |
Lyman 2000ft is barely 1/3 of a mile much less miles. Oh and Kyle is based on the East Coast so I would assume that is what he has it set up for. I bet you liked the camel trophy stuff also. I like to drive a vehicle to its limits under its own power. I think winches are great to get you out of or through areas your vehicle cannot make it. I personally find it boring to spend hours winching through an area that I could walk through in minutes. I guess it is all what you like to do. Oh yeah and a foot of snow, people here can barely drive with 1/2" of snow. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 403 Registered: 02-2003 |
Doesn't sound like fun... Been on a couple of wichfest in the 'dack's, not fun in Summer, let alone when you can stuck in a snowbank. Lyman, use common sense, a stock rig gonna get hung up early, now that we're forecasting freezing rain for Friday. Take some responsibiltiy and leave the stock rigs in the parking lot...Take the newbie's out when frostbite and hypothermia isn't a issue(yes, u can get frostbite and hypothermia on a 40f day!) I'm flying rescue this weekend, so I have clue... Frank | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) New Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 29 Registered: 02-2004 |
Rob, Modified old XD9000 with Bosch 80% duty cycle industrial motor on this truck. Frank, Thanks for the advice on safety. If you ran this trail you'd understand. Civilization is all down hill and at most 1/2 hr away. This is not POLAND, NY. Now that was a dangerous place for you guys. THAT was no place for stock trucks for sure. Didn't you guys have to hire a Log Skidder to get you out....now that's having a clue. I'm surprised you guys didn't get arrested for tearing that trail up like that, I've never seen such damage. Funny you didn't post any after pics of the muddy hill on you web site, what not proud? I wouldn't be surprised if that trail is gated after snowmobile season....good job. WTF, Lyman | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 404 Registered: 02-2003 |
Lyman, Do you want the phone number of the forest ranger who meet us a the end of the trail? How about the guy who maintains those trails? And, are you SURE you were on the same trail? Anyways, moot point, after 3 inches of rain, what do think you'd have to do to get out with a broken half shaft...Not proud, truck broke and needed a skidder to get it out. We also broke 3 winches...I've been in contact with the guy who grooms those trails for the snowmobilers and we are planning a maintanence day out there when the snow clears, so we are taking resposnisbility. Do you want to join in? But another group ran that trail right after us and tore it up even more, and the forest rangers looking for those guys. Not puttin' you down, just lettin' the newbie's know that a winchfest isn't fun, especially in winter... | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) New Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 30 Registered: 02-2004 |
Post up some of the damage to the trails you did...especially being pulled behind the skidder. Fucking hillarious. What other trail up there would have fresh broken series tail lamp pieces on it, please...your pictures at the trail header are plainly obvious as to where you were. Admit it you fuck nut. If a Forrest Ranger met you at the header, obviously somone complained...they just don't show up. He probably only let you guys off as he thought you had suffered enough. Irrepairable damage. Why didn't anyone go back in the dry season to fix the damage? Cutting LIVE trees to bridge mud so stock trucks could cross? Your own pictures show this. Join in for trail clean up?...I pick up everyone's litter, probably now even some of yours. If you're going around breakng lamps and windows by sliding against trees, at least have the courtesy to pick up the broken glass and plastic. I'd be proud I didn't have the skill to operate winches and burn out three in ignorance. Going back to fix what you've done a year later, and in MUD SEASON again shows your utter disregard for the trail and land that is not yours. When you guys did this I wasn't in the position to comment, now I don't give a damn what anyone thinks. I grew up running these trails, stay in the city if you think what you guys did was ok. Or at least stay off of STATE LAND in MUD SEASON if you don't have the skills or preparedness to deal with it in an Earth Friendly mannor. You're scaring me with what you have to say if you really believe it. Here's your pics of what you admit to doing. So much for treading lightly. http://www.roxs.us/springfling.html With the proper guidance, and knowledge you could have avoided your fiasco. Our sport requires constant learning, if you head off ill-prepared you now know what will happen. Please don't assume I would be unprepaired. Oh one more thing, thanks for the two diff guards and the tree strap you guys left on the trail. I'm done here. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 407 Registered: 02-2003 |
Just checking to see if your really as big as asshole as I thought. I'm just curious about your reaction to my comment about leaving the stock rigs in the parking lot... Just got get a few facts straight: We never cut down any tree's. We did go back and work with the local snowmobile guys to repair some of the damage before the season. But your not interested in that... I contacted the forest ranger to find out what was open, that's why he was there. He told us that there were a bunch of trucks in the week before, and chewed the hill up pretty good. Seems were not the only one's running those trails. But at least we taking resposnibilty and are willing to help clean up the mess, not only made by us, but everyone else. | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) New Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 31 Registered: 02-2004 |
MY REACTION WAS FOR YOU SAYING "USE COMMON SENCE" something your group clearly did not show. Any pictures of your clean up?, seems your rooting in the mud was well documented.... So...a Conservation Officer came out to show you the trails...come on, I was born at night, but not LAST night. Dude, at the bottom of the hill you guys definately cut Hemlock trees to put in the trail I have no reason to lie about it, the asshole is you. Maybe you just didn't see it happen, but trust me someone in your group did it for sure.. how do I know? The last thing out was a skidder. Do whatever you need to do to clear your conscience. Too little too late. It doth seem you protest to much... I thought I said I was done here. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 409 Registered: 02-2003 |
Dude, WE DID NOT CUT DOWN ANY TREES! WTF...I'm have no reason to lie or clear my conscience. I spoke with a forest ranger, his name is Steve Bazan, NYSDEC Forest Ranger, don't believe me, called him about running that trail. He meet us after the run, so he didn't show us the trail ...As for common sense, bringing stock trucks on a snow covered trail to me is not using common sense. What ever... | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) New Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 32 Registered: 02-2004 |
So now you're saying that hill was chewed up BEFORE you drove down it? That is the stuipidest thing I've ever heard, you really thought you could get all those near stock trucks back up that hill? Or didn't you know the trail was gated on the other end...seems the Conservation officer would have told you about the gate if you contacted him about what was open. I think you better stop defending yourself here. I will say that the map you had probably was wrong, as one of mine was. MapSource and NYS Topo's are wrong, I've got a correct map if you want to see where you were actually going. Now I really am done...but thank you for your concern over me bringing in stock trucks. | ||
| Chris von C. (Chrisvonc) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Chrisvonc Post Number: 424 Registered: 07-2002 |
You not done yet here pal. You dont start to stir shit and then just run away and think its going to drop when you say so. Franks original post reads nothing more than a safety concern and suggestions regarding the upcoming weekends potential conditions. I want you to explain to me what was inaccurate about it that almost immediately sent you into a shit slinging fest. Are they invalid concerns? What did they have to do with any of the crap you started posting after? | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 784 Registered: 11-2002 |
Torn up or not , the trail looks fairly gay..... And I know you aint doing anything hard to the bone using that little smoker winch.. I guess the trails in NY are just as gay as the ones in MD.... lol"Blow me" | ||
| Erik Olson (Jon) Senior Member Username: Jon Post Number: 576 Registered: 02-2002 |
Lyman, From my personal experience, there aren't a lot of pictures taken on most trail maintenance days - it's mostly a bunch of sweat, dirt and a little blood. I've done maintenance on the Rubicon and here in N.C., and I'll I've got to show for it is a couple more pinstripes on the rig and a dent earned at Uwharrie. I'm another one of the guys that's wheeled with Rafka, and I think you might have fingered the wrong guy. If he says he didn't cut down a tree - why on earth would you insist that it'd happened? Take that 2x12" sized chip off your shoulder, figure out what tact is and check your shit disposition at the door, why don't you? e | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2508 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hmmm, this kinda reminds me of the jeep story last year..... Justin, I see in your profile that you are from Buffalo and your quote: well kyle i appreciate the opportunitie to test my stock truck. thanks lyman ill see you sat. I know you are used to lake effect snows and cold. But 2-3 feet of snow, and lots of winching sounds like an all day event. Don't forget to take plenty of water, food, and some emergency stuff. The last thing you need is Frank rolling up in a rescue Helo looking for your body. All because of Lyman and his attitude..... | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 785 Registered: 11-2002 |
What I want to know is if the timber jack dragged someone out then why would they need to cut the trees ? Make sense ? "Blow me" | ||
| justin monnin (Ineedthissale) Member Username: Ineedthissale Post Number: 50 Registered: 12-2003 |
thanks paul.ill have food & water for 3 days. if i need more im in way over my head.you are very right about the water. i work outside almost every day and with out water the body get tired way to fast. ps ill let you know how it works out | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 411 Registered: 02-2003 |
Lyman now I know you weren't on the same trail! There's a snonmobile bridge at the bottom of the hill we were on, with a creek crossing that was impassible. Then it turns into a hiking trail, if you were on that, then you were really breaking the law...we knew it didn't go anywhere and planned on camping and driving out in the morning...by the way, we didn't lose any diff guards and there were 3 tow straps left, which I got when we went back for trail maint...I'll post the route from the gps track I did when I get home...take a look a the pic's, why we cut down tree's when we had sand ladders...shit, I broke my truck and had to get it pulled out with a logging skidder, with the edcon guy's there, not proud, but I do know what I'm doing and the people with me have more experience than you ever could imagine... | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 794 Registered: 11-2002 |
All thats left is. Frank , I wanna know about this trip where you had to be recovered... Gotta be some reason we didnt hear about this... "Blow me" | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 945 Registered: 05-2003 |
decorate your truck with really bright colors - it will make you more visible for SAR | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 413 Registered: 02-2003 |
Kyle, there was a whole thread about it...broke a halfshaft, burned out my warn and needed a logging skidder to get the POS off the hill. We also broke a main shaft another warn and burned out a Ramsey...500 yards of non stop winching for about 12 hours, 9 trucks, 5 with winches...3 inches of rain and 3 feet of mud...enough said, I'm really confused over what I did to piss off Lyman, I never meant any harm... | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 799 Registered: 11-2002 |
Lyman will get over it... Or , he wont... Who gives a shit either way.... Damn that was some carnage for that little fag trail... "Blow me" | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) New Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 33 Registered: 02-2004 |
I'm over it, but the trail isn't. If you're causing that much (3ft) damage to a public trail something is wrong. Still not sure how you break an axle where you have no traction unless you're spinning at about 70mph and shock the drivetrain. In any case I wish the damage to the trail had not been done. Sorry I called you a fuck nut. Not sure what maintenace short of a bulldozer now can help, but if you need more hands you have my e-mail. If I don't freeze to death or get eaten by wolves I let you guys know how the weekend went. "who gives a shit either way"...I couldn't have put it my better myself. Cheers, Lyman | ||
| Erik Olson (Jon) Senior Member Username: Jon Post Number: 578 Registered: 02-2002 |
Wow. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 416 Registered: 02-2003 |
one correction, broken cv joint, not halfshaft... | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) New Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 34 Registered: 02-2004 |
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| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) New Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 38 Registered: 02-2004 |
Just like to say we met a great new off-roader today. Thanks for coming out Justin, look forward to wheeling with you again soon! | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 417 Registered: 02-2003 |
glad it went well...never meant to piss you off... | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) New Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 39 Registered: 02-2004 |
Such a nice day we couln't resist hitting the trails one more time Sunday morning before the guys hit road for home.    | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) New Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 40 Registered: 02-2004 |
http://www.speed-freekz.com/bbs/files/Picture_180.avi | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 41 Registered: 02-2004 |
http://www.speed-freekz.com/bbs/files/Picture_188.avi | ||
| justin monnin (Ineedthissale) Member Username: Ineedthissale Post Number: 53 Registered: 12-2003 |
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| justin monnin (Ineedthissale) Member Username: Ineedthissale Post Number: 54 Registered: 12-2003 |
lunch wagon  | ||
| justin monnin (Ineedthissale) Member Username: Ineedthissale Post Number: 55 Registered: 12-2003 |
get'n deep  | ||
| justin monnin (Ineedthissale) Member Username: Ineedthissale Post Number: 56 Registered: 12-2003 |
get'n deep | ||
| justin monnin (Ineedthissale) Member Username: Ineedthissale Post Number: 57 Registered: 12-2003 |
get'n deep | ||
| justin monnin (Ineedthissale) Member Username: Ineedthissale Post Number: 58 Registered: 12-2003 |
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| justin monnin (Ineedthissale) Member Username: Ineedthissale Post Number: 59 Registered: 12-2003 |
airing up and getting out befor the wolfs got us!  | ||
| justin monnin (Ineedthissale) Member Username: Ineedthissale Post Number: 60 Registered: 12-2003 |
it was quite amazing to see these trucks go over the snow like it was not even there. i was very impressed with the one and only winch pull. yes i said it "ONE winch pull", although i was dissipointed that there was no wolfs and i never got to use my shovel.Well maybe next time. Thanks to everyone for the great time. | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 42 Registered: 02-2004 |
Justin, You missed a few winch pulls while you were up ahead with Travis! Still not quite an all day winch-fest this year, I guess the trucks are evolving. Plus we had to make 7pm dinner reservations! Cheers, Lyman |
