| Author | Message | ||
     Bill Jansz (Alohabill) New Member Username: Alohabill Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2004 |
Anyone interested ? Complete turnkey installation. You choose the Horsepower & Torque. | ||
| Joseph Anthony Zarola (Redrover51) New Member Username: Redrover51 Post Number: 29 Registered: 01-2004 |
Why? | ||
| Jerry (Discovery1) Member Username: Discovery1 Post Number: 49 Registered: 10-2002 |
How much | ||
| Bill Jansz (Alohabill) New Member Username: Alohabill Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2004 |
Joseph, you ask why, I say why-not. If your looking for and need extra Horsepower & Torque, reliability, longevity, low repair cost, replacement parts available at your local parts store today(not special order, next week). General Motors (Chevrolet) has spent hundreds of millions of dollars over the years developing a variety of parts for their cars that were both tremendously reliable and manufactured at a reasonable cost, why not take advantage of that?? If your really like your Rover and plan to keep it for a long time, a conversion like this would pay for itself in a couple of years, all the while enjoying the benefits and pleasures of the Chevy. I hope this answer your question. It's been a pleasure, BILL. | ||
| Bill Jansz (Alohabill) New Member Username: Alohabill Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2004 |
Hello Jerry, the cost for this turnkey conversion, depends on all the different engine combinations ( engine size, fuel injection system, accessories, etc). A 'basic' turnkey conversion, starts at around $11,000.00(Chevy engine & transmission), email for complete details of parts and labor involved. Compare this cost to a hyped up Rover 'Stroked' motor(motor only) between $10,000.00 to $13,000.00. With my Chevy motor / transmission conversion , you will get the most value for your money, there are so many 'new' parts used, it would be good for 100,000 + miles. A performance built 4.6 motor is a great way to go for some extra horsepower. A very well built 4.6 'Stage 3' motor with a good camshaft, head porting/polishing, increased compression, performance chip and anything else you might want to do to it, still may only produce 275hp and 300ftlb torque(RPI Stage 3, 4.6lt motor). Where as a warmed up Chevrolet 350 motor, can easily reach(without trying) 350hp/350ftlb torque, without spending alot of money on exotic modifications. With the Chevy motor, you can keep the compression ratio down at 9:1 and still ran regular unleaded gas, saving you alot of $$$ in the long run. Also the fact of reliablity, low maintenance, readily available parts are a built in PLUS for this conversion. I have nothing against the Rover powerplant, but as a Rover mechanic, I sure replace alot of engines each year. Don't take it the wrong way, I think Rover has an excellent vehicle. You couldn't have a better box frame, front&rear differentials or transfer case, but as far as the aluminum Buick V-8(era 1961-1968)motor, it's a little out-dated. A rule of thumb," MORE POWER=MORE CUBIC INCHES", no other way around this. Why not have the best that both worlds can offer(England and United States)ROVER(Solid) and CHEVROLET(Solid). It's been a pleasure communicating with you, thanks Bill. | ||
| Ike Goss (Pangolin) New Member Username: Pangolin Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2003 |
Couldnt build better differentials . . . .HA Wait till you put the 350hp through a ten spline rear. -Ike | ||
| Bill Jansz (Alohabill) New Member Username: Alohabill Post Number: 6 Registered: 02-2004 |
Ike, like all upgrades, if its an engine with more power, you may have to upgrade to 24 spline axles. It's also how you drive the car, sane or insane. Anybody can break parts thru abuse and neglect, but it's not how many parts can you break, it's how can you utilize the added new power for your benefit without breaking a bunch of parts. | ||
| Ike Goss (Pangolin) New Member Username: Pangolin Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2003 |
Pretty hard to utilize that much power with a rover differential unless you just want a mall crawler. Even with the 24 spline axles you are going to run into trouble with 350hp. Ive broken 24 spline axles with 130hp and 33s without even really beating on them. The rover ring and pinions is known to be fragile with less than half the power you are talking about. Not to mention the CVs. Youre asking a lot of the very delicate stock rover axles with 350 hp. The 350/700R4/LT230 is a cool combo but without nice axles its not the total package. Ike | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 1131 Registered: 05-2002 |
Ike, C'mon man. Quit hijacking this guys thread. He posted the mod as a "for sale" not "for debate". For that matter, if one is going to shell out $11K + for a motor & transmission then they can also probably stomach $3K for new axles, gears, diffs, & driveshafts. Curtis | ||
| Bill Jansz (Alohabill) New Member Username: Alohabill Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2004 |
Curtis, thanks for putting it back into perspective. Ike, what I'm trying to do is give people options and choices. Not everyone wants 350hp, some would, others would be happy with 300hp and a bunch of torque to go with it. All these possibilities can be accomplished with a Chevy conversion, plus the added reliability and cost effectiveness that comes with it. If it was possible to get all these benefits from the Rover(Buick v-8), I wouldn't be doing these conversions, and all Rover owners would be going the same speed, with the same engine. BORING. It all has to do with CHOICES, and thank goodness for different options. I'm trying to give Rover owners a broader platform to choice something that will fit their personal needs, that's all. This Chevy conversion is not for everyone, it's for those who want an alternative solution. It's been a pleasure, Thanks, Bill. | ||
| Bill Jansz (Alohabill) New Member Username: Alohabill Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2004 |
Hello Ike, This 350/700R4/LT230 is a real cool combo, it is a total turn-key package in itself, but only part of the total equation. The other part of the equation, for an almost 'bullet-proof' machine, would be the balance of the running gear setup. This is an area for the differential/suspension boys and I'm sure they would have the "beefed" parts that would handle the power/torque. I"ll keep to my area of knowledge, in providing a sweet powertrain combo, it really keeps me busy. Did you change ring&pinion gear ratios, when using the 33" tires? I just wonder what caused your axles to break. The OEM diff gears were setup with 28-29" tires in mind. A matching gear ratio for 33" tires may have eased up some pressure on your axles. Thanks, Bill. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 753 Registered: 11-2002 |
YOu should do well with these Bill. But I am thinking more along the lines of a ford swap..  "Blow me" | ||
| Bill Jansz (Alohabill) New Member Username: Alohabill Post Number: 9 Registered: 02-2004 |
Kyle, Nice to see someone else with an out of the box imagination, nice to have choices , even if it's a Ford. As far as blowing, the only blowing I'm going to be doing, I'll be blowing your doors off. My pleasure, Bill. | ||
| Ike Goss (Pangolin) New Member Username: Pangolin Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2003 |
Ive got 3.73 gears in my SWB series with a cummins diesel and broke the 24 spline axles on 33s so I swapped to bigger shafts. Ive also got a series with a 350/SM420. Trust me, you will need to do some axle work. fords fine if you like to read parts books. Chevy parts interchangability is awesome. -Ike | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 762 Registered: 11-2002 |
LOL , I aint sure you will be blowing my doors off with a GM product . But I do love how the SB Chebby crowd still says that.. "Blow me" | ||
| Matt Anderson (Disco01) Senior Member Username: Disco01 Post Number: 275 Registered: 10-2003 |
Ike I respect your point but this is not the discussion thread. Please keep this in mind. If you put up something for sale you dont someone to bash it. I welcome anyone who brings competition into the Rover parts world because more competition = lower prices. Seriously, What vehicle can handle 100 hp and 100+ lb ft of torque along with tires 3" bigger than stock withouth beefing things up? Ask some of those guys with domestic diesels who throw in a bunch of bully dog stuff only to blow a trans within a couple thousand miles. Bill thanks for giving us another option. And Ike, if you wish to continue this discussion start a technical thread. Dont post anymore negative comments here please. Matt | ||
| Bill Jansz (Alohabill) New Member Username: Alohabill Post Number: 10 Registered: 02-2004 |
Hello Matt, Thank-you, once again for trying to put the "For Sale Board" back in order. If someone needs more info or would like to make a comment, please e-mail me direct at alohabill@sbcglobal.net, I'll be more than happy to give you my personal attention. Hence, keeping and respecting this board for its intended purpose. Matt, in addition to doing the Chevy conversions as an alternative choice for engine powerplants, I also build 'Stroker' Rover V-8 engines. I,ve also heard of others, who have gone thru Rover V-8 build-ups, and have expressed there disappointments. Usually with "I thought I was going to get more power than this" or "its not enough". As also being a consumer myself, I know how they feel, I also want the " most bang for my buck". Choices, choices, choices, it's nice to have them. Otherwise, we would all be driving the same model car, same color, same speed, wouldn't that be BORING. It's been a pleasure. Thanks, Bill. | ||
| Rick Neff (Lostinboston) Senior Member Username: Lostinboston Post Number: 308 Registered: 06-2003 |
Bill, I think this is a good idea and when my motor blows i may call you instead of RPi. You dont know how many times ive eyed a 427 for my vette and wanted to drop the vette LT1 into the rover. If i only had the space, skill and 50 g's on hand. Im assuming ou can slap a procharger on your 350 also. that'll be nice | ||
| Ike Goss (Pangolin) New Member Username: Pangolin Post Number: 13 Registered: 10-2003 |
Matt, Im not bashing anyone. Nothing I said was negative. In fact you'll find its complimentary "smallblock/700R4/LT230 is a cool setup" Ive known Ho and the gang longer than discoweb has been an entity and Im willing to listen to anyones opinion, something discoweb is becoming infamous for not doing. It takes two to carry on a discussion . . . and indeed you are continuing it so I feel obligated to respond. The point is that indeed something needs to be done and the rover diff is not up to the task and is not the best differential ever made. Im happy to move this elsewhere, but please dont imply something was said when it wasnt. -Regards -Ike | ||
| Brad Ashe (Vodkaman) Member Username: Vodkaman Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2003 |
Ike must you get the last word on this. Bill is offering a service if anyone has a question about the pros and cons of the conversion I am sure they could and would go to the tech discussion forum for answers to their questions and info about other upgrades that should be done to handle the extra torque and HP. Look at it this way Bill at least Ike is saving you the trouble of bumping your post back to the top LOL. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 788 Registered: 11-2002 |
Bill , start a new thread in tech and a new for sale one. I will kill this one after that so you can have a clean start. "Blow me" | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 874 Registered: 03-2002 |
Bill, I sent an email to the address in your profile....didn't hear back...or if I did, it may have been thrown out with the trash. | ||
| Bill Jansz (Alohabill) New Member Username: Alohabill Post Number: 11 Registered: 02-2004 |
Is there anyone who has some input, someone who did the 4.6 or Rover 'Stroker' build-up, just their thoughts. Maybe something to help those thinking about doing the same build-up. Thanks, Bill. | ||
| Bill Jansz (Alohabill) New Member Username: Alohabill Post Number: 12 Registered: 02-2004 |
The Chevy conversion is not only limited to the Chevy V-8, but another viable option is the Chevy 4.3 V-6. Actually, the Chevy 4.3-262ci V-6 is a very good alternative to the 5.7-350ci V-8. The V-6 setup weighs approx. the same as the Buick V-8, and wouldn't require a front coil spring change.The 4.3 V-6 is not only an extremely reliable engine powerplant, and very popular, with a large assortment of aftermarket/hypo parts to choose from. You could build a good hypo engine (230hp/260torque/9.5:1 compression) and also benifit from the great fuel economy these engines achieve, plus the total reliability and longevity that comes with this engine. I own a 1992 S-10 p/u, with the 4.3 V-6 and 700R4 transmission, its about to turn 249,000 miles and never ever had the "Check Engine" light come on, also get about 23mpg. Yes, the 'Check Engine' light bulb does work. More info, contact at alohabill@sbcglobal.net Thanks, Bill. | ||
| Geoff 93 RRC (Geoff) Senior Member Username: Geoff Post Number: 266 Registered: 11-2002 |
Bill will you sell the 700R4 to LT230 adapter by itself? Do you have any specs on it? | ||
| Bill Jansz (Alohabill) New Member Username: Alohabill Post Number: 14 Registered: 02-2004 |
Hello Geoff, I machine my adapters for the turnkey installations only. Sorry I do not sell them. May check out Marks4wd.com for there kits. Thanks Bill. |
