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Author Message   John Kruger (Johnnyk) Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 02:44 pm:    D110 for import   Tripp Westbrook (Tripp) Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 03:12 pm:    Good question. Unusually cheap too.   Marc Ingham (Marcingham) Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 03:19 pm:    if it seems to good to be true...   Heath McGuire (Discoheath) Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 03:21 pm:    I am starting to wonder. I am seeing alot of 110's and couple of 90's for sale. They all claim clear titles. I want one.   Rob Davison (Pokerob) Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 03:31 pm:    including shipping ? lol i got dibb's if this is legit! rd   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 03:41 pm:    I call BS.... They may say "Vehicles marked as -USA Imports- have been pre-approved for import to the United States", but that might only refer to exporting it from wherever they are.... once it arrives here, it's still illegal. Where are they located? ie, send a check to us overseas, and see what happens when the Rover arrives at the dock..... If it was legit, I'd have the black D90 (though I have to say, one of the BMW bikes would be VERY tempting.... ) -L   Heath McGuire (Discoheath) Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 03:57 pm:    Has anybody e-mailed or talked to them. They are also posted on lrx   Tripp Westbrook (Tripp) Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 04:12 pm:    I just e-mailed them and asked about the legality of importing to the U.S. and how this is achieved as well as expected shipping costs. I'll let everyone know what they say.   Steve Andrews (Sillybus) Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 09:44 pm:    Please correct me if I am wrong but... Wasn't there an issue with the upper body strength with the D110 that required the external roll cage to comply with US DOT? Unless they have changed the structural design since 93, that photo tells the tale. If its legit, I'll be in line with the rest of you. I've always wanted one of these since I was a kid. OK, first the SeriesII, then SeriesIII, Stage1 and then the D110, but you get the idea. I finally got tired of waiting for a reasonable deal and thats why I got the D1.   William C. Leek (Onionman) Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 09:48 pm:    I saw that, too, John, on LRX. It certainly has the feel of a scam to me. Way too good to be true.   Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 07:45 am:    Okay... I just received an email from them... I guess you decide.... Thank you for your response to our classified advertisement for our LR Defenders for sale. We received a remarkable 137 inquiries over the past 12 hours after posting the advertisement. Thus it is impossible for us to answer in detail to each inquiry and this is a general information reply to the most common questions. This is being sent out to all interested parties and we hope it will answer all the questions you might have. If you are interested and fully ready to purchase please send a reply to: vehsales@overlandworld.7p.com with the subject line stating ‘Ready to Purchase’. Please only reply to this email address if you have no further question and fully ready to purchase. We will offer the sales in the order of the responses. To start off: We currently have four remaining vehicles available. Photos are attached for each. 1. 2001 110 Defender CSW - Caledonian Blue - $11,300 2. 2001 110 Defender CSW - Bonatti Grey - $11,300 (This was misprinted on our website as java black) 3. 2001 110 Defender CSW - Zambezi Silver - $11,800 (The 2000 Zambezi silver model - has been sold) 4. 2001 90 Defender 3 Door CSW – Bonatti Grey (Tomb Raider model) - $9,400 (The black model - $8,400 - has been sold) All the vehicles listed have the TD5 (2.5 diesel engines) and manual transmissions. Additionally all have been DOT/California emissions converted and fully street legal in all States. All are standard USA left hand drive setups. All the 110’s are equipped with: Heavy Duty Wheel Package, Sunroof, ABS/ETC, Air Conditioning, Convenience Pack, Cold Climate Pack, Alarm, Radio/Cass/CD Changer, Remote Central Locking, Cloth Seats, Tinted Glass, Heated Rear Window, Body Colored Wheel arch eyebrows The Caledonian Blue model also comes with an expedition style roof rack and rack lights The 90 is equipped with the Tomb Raider setup which includes: ABS & traction control, Alloy wheels, Black wheel arch eyebrows, Chequer plate floor, Immobiliser, Radio Cassette, Roof basket, Side steps, Volumetric protection (alarm), Air-conditioning, Aluminum chequer plate, Body coloured roof, Heated rear window/wash/wipe, Leather steering wheel, Polished alloy gearknob, Rear step, Roof rack support bar, Tomb Raider badge. All four of these vehicles have had the import fees paid and are already US/California registered. Each of these was used on our summer treks from San Diego, CA to Panama, Central America. All our used vehicles are put through a Land Rover rigorous mechanical and electrical check and have all pass what would be called a Land Rover Approved Used Vehicle in Europe. As for warranties in the USA, the conversion and engine is under a two-year independent warranty – serviceable at any authorized Land Rover dealership. We also give a 30-Day exchange policy - If you aren't completely satisfied, you can exchange your vehicle for another or be given a full refund for return. The price includes delivery to San Diego or Seattle Washington and any point in-between. We can also arrange to have the vehicle delivered to other locations for an additional fee. This is usually about $500 for Central States and $900 for the East Coast. We do not require full payment up front and only require a bank deposit of $2500 to hold the vehicle and the remaining funds to be due at the time of delivery. No vehicle will be held prior to receiving deposit!! Shipping is currently taking place from Central America and each will be available for pickup in San Diego around the 29 or 30th of this month or in or Seattle a few days later. About Us: We are an international overland tour operator and have been in business since 1982. Our headquarters is located in England and our tour operation offices are located in Singapore, Kenya and Johannesburg. In late November additional tour operation offices will be opening in Seattle, San Diego, Dusseldorf, Bangkok and Hong Kong. For our enclosed tours we use Land Rover 110’s exclusively and for our motorbike tours we exclusively use the BMW R1150GS’s. Our tours tend to work on the more unknown routes throughout the worlds developing nations, working primarily in Africa and Asia since our beginning. Over the past couple of years we have opened new routes in Central and South America and we are starting to offer more tours in this area. On any given day - we on average have 23 vehicles on the road and during peak times have over 50. Additionally we have set three world records over the past five years for long-range, overland speed tours. Our vehicles that are sold to the public are NOT salvage or damaged in anyway and never used for our extreme or race tours. Because of our guarantees with our tour customers - we turn over our primary vehicles after only 10,000 miles thus insuring our tours are always equipped with “new” vehicles. Most of our vehicles are generally sold via auctions in Africa and Asia at the end of the experiences. Only our best-conditioned vehicles and those that have absolutely no damage are used for public sales. We generally sell our vehicles at wholesale European prices to the public, thus always insuring quick turnover. Again we hope this answers all your questions and if you are fully ready to purchase please send a reply to: vehsales@overlandworld.7p.com with the subject line stating ‘Ready to Purchase’. If you have further inquiries please forward them to: info@overlandworld.7p.com and we will try hard to answer them as soon as possible. Thank you again for your inquiry. Overland World Sales Department. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -glenn   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:10 am:    Damn! Maybe I should trade the Roo in on a gray D90! -L   Mel A. (Krawlrovr) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:38 am:    I got dibs on the blue one...lol I e-mailed them too and got that same response.   Robbie (Robbie) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:59 am:    yep, got same response here. sooo, who's going to take the plunge? c'mon, someone has to bite the bullet for us. that way, next time they are selling we can be fully informed (since i'm too much of a pussy).   Michael Noe (Noee) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 09:19 am:    Here's an idea: we all put in some cabbage for the deposit (spread the risk). Then, when the truck arrives, I'll cover the balance and pay everyone back plus some small fee for the risk on the share of the deposit. Of course, I'll get the truck. If it's a scam, we've all lost only a little. If not, we'll know it's for real and not one single one of us has to get burned for the whole $2500.   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 10:31 am:    Tomb Raider D90 would be sweet.. And at $9,400.. Damn, if I only had the cash.   Tripp Westbrook (Tripp) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 10:43 am:    I got the same e-mail and forwarded it to a buddy of mine who's going to take the plunge. I'll let you know how it turns out. T-   Steve Andrews (Sillybus) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 10:48 am:    Can someone who got the email forward to me? I'd like to see those pics. Mike: interesting idea. If we could get like 10 people in the tri-state area, I'd throw in. I say VA,MD,PA (& maybe DE LOL) so that we could all easily meet up to look her over.   John Kruger (Johnnyk) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 10:55 am:    Now I just want to know, if they are doing this, we can't we? There has been a ton of discussion on the importation, licensing and registration of such trucks. I would assume if this was so easy, many of the used rover dealers would have them in stock. If there are any used dealers checking this board, you could make a nice profit on the vehicles, and greatly reduce the aftermarket price of a D110. They can probably bring them into the US for limited use, but I really doubt they can be registered and licensed. I will be very interested to see how this turns out.   mongo Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 11:17 am:    Read the post, they have been converted to meet CA/US emissions. That's the main reason why you can't import a stock UK truck, they don't meet US standards. It's not that hard to get a UK truck to the US, you just have to pay (about 3k to 6k US) for the emissions to be converted to CA/DOT standards for that model year... I just got back from the UK and meet with 2 companies that will make a UK truck legal in the US, it's just expensive... Cheers, Frank   mongo Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 11:21 am:    Maybe I should have read the post, It sounds to good to be true...I'm going to see if this is real, I found a 99 D90 in the UK and it's going to cost $9400 just to convert it and ship it... Cheers Frank   Robbie (Robbie) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 11:31 am:    these are the trucks attached to the email   Brian Kluge (Brianwi) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 11:43 am:    Why don’t they use a bank Letter of Credit (or other secure int’l. monetary exchanges) for payment if this is legit? Who’s their Broker/Freight Forwarder they used to get the vehicles into US in the first place? And if the vehicles actually exist and are sitting on a dock somewhere, who’ll pay the $100+ per day storage fee when Customs tells the buyer that this vehicle can’t be used in the US by a US citizen? And it looks like www.overlandworld.com doesn’t even exist. Hmmm, 100 people submitting $2500 each… $250,000. Not a bad scam if it is one. And holy crap, I just looked at the 110's --aren't those are all the same vehicles? Looks like a PhotoShop job to me. Good luck! Brian   Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 11:51 am:    It is a SCAM... look at the floor (ground) that the 110s are on...hasn't changed on all three. Also, the angle of the camera is all the same for all three, which I think can only be done if the Camera is in a tripod and the trucks park at the same exact spot. hehehe... what a fake! -glenn   KJ Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 12:45 pm:    Boys, it's walkin' and quackin', and it's lame as the duck it is. Now, if you feel the need to pony up your money, I'll take 50 cents on your deposit dollar, and you'll only be out that much for my good advice. Run AWAY! Karen   alhang Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 12:45 pm:    hmmm... 1 year old vehicles selling for about 1/4 of their original asking price, drivetrain has been modified and fully legal??? please it defies all logic. the equipment prices are clearly listed on the website but there are no prices for these trips or even pics of the trips themselves. lastly the site looks like shit, hardly impressive for the world traveller looking for guided tours eh? you can get in a vehicle legally, but after costs and headaches it might not be worth it.   Steve Andrews (Sillybus) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 12:59 pm:    Even the third picture with a different background has the same marks and stains in the pavement. What a shame. my $.02 on "you can get in a vehicle legally, but after costs and headaches it might not be worth it." As far as I know, unless you have a special exception, you can't get a 110 imported other than a 1993 because it isn't on the DOT approved vehicle list. You may be able to get it here, you may get it tagged and all. One day though, someone may force you to export or destroy it.   Steve Andrews (Sillybus) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:00 pm:    And gas tanks on the drivers side? I think the images have been flipped.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:02 pm:    There is something rotten in the state of Denmark   Steve Andrews (Sillybus) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:08 pm:    Ok, 1 more thing. If you all want to chip in and pony up for a worthwhile effort, lets get a fund going for the $500 application fee to apply for DOT approval for another production year of the 110 beside the 93.   Thomas Dahbura (U352) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:08 pm:    I sent an email as ready to purchase. The bak is in Thailand. Weird. But guys look at the picture closer. They are all different vehicles. >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Overland World - Account Dept >>>>[mailto:accounts@overlandworld.7p.com] >>>>Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:42 PM >>>>To: Dahbura, Thomas >>>>Subject: Re: Ready to purchase >>>> >>>> >>>>MessageIf you are flexible for the purchase of the Gray or >>>>Silver model, we can offer you the opportunity to purchase >>>>at this time. >>>> >>>>In order to proceed with the order - we require a deposit >>>>to be place via a bank wire transfer to our buyers' bank >>>>account as listed at the end of this message. The total sum >>>>of $2500 US Dollars is required at this time. The final >>>>payment is due at the time of pickup or delivery in the >>>>form of a certified bank draft made out to "Overland World". >>>> >>>>As long has this deposit is placed within the following 24 >>>>hours we can guarantee the hold and purchase of one of the >>>>two vehicles, but please understand that we cannot hold >>>>either vehicle for you until the deposit has been placed >>>>and this offer will be void after 24 hours. >>>> >>>>Bank Wire Transfer Instructions: >>>>Please insure you give your bank the full details. >>>>This bank uses SWIFT CODE transfer - so there is no ABA number: >>>>>Correspondent bank: ABN-AMRO - Bank New York >>>>>Swift Address: ABNAUS33 >>>>>Beneficiary's bank: Bank of Asia Public Co., Ltd. >>>> 191 South Sathon Road >>>> Bangkok 10120, Thailand >>>> Tel: 66 2285 1555 >>>>>Swift Address: BKASTHBK >>>>>Beneficiary's name: J.M. Jacobson >>>>>Beneficiary's account: 109-2-11853-6 >>>> >>>>Please forward the bank wire transfer confirmation number >>>>to: accounts@overlandworld.7p.com as soon as the transfer >>>>has been completed. Once we receive this we will hold the >>>>requested vehicle for you. >>>> >>>>At the same time, please forward us your information. We >>>>need your full name, address, telephone number and if >>>>possible a fax number. We also need to know if you will be >>>>picking up in San Diego or need shipping to another location. >>>> >>>>Thank you very much for your purchase and we sincerely hope >>>>you enjoy your new Defender. >>>> >>>>Note: For all first time customers that purchase a vehicle >>>>from us, we offer a 50% discount on any future overland >>>>tour that you or a primary family member may wish to take >>>>over the next three years. We will forward you our latest >>>>tour catalog and information at the time we forward you the >>>>sales documents. >>>> >>>>Jim Harrison >>>>Vehicle Sales Manager >>>>Overland World >>>>World by Overland   Thomas Dahbura (U352) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:09 pm:    ohhh-I also asked if they would do it under escrow. I will forward that message to you guys too.   Steve (Scrover) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:11 pm:    total scam, don't do it! fake pictures for sure but it was the 'tour operations office opening in Seattle' that gave it away, nobody would be that stupid!!   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:17 pm:    hmmmm ...they all appear to be different vehicles, but why is the ground, vehicle position, camera angle, and reflections off surfaces exactly the same in all 110 pics but the backdrop is different in one of the pics? Camera angle can be explained by tripod, vehicles could have been painstakingly parked exactly the same, and therefore reflections could match, but who tore down the hedge and built the house when they were switching vehicles? I magnified one of the photos, and I think I may have gotten to the bottom of all this:   Thomas Dahbura (U352) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:40 pm:    Guys look a the hard top. One has a window the other does not.   John Kruger (Johnnyk) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:43 pm:    Thanks Blue, I need a good laugh this afternoon. It is a scam, but what would it take for a few like minded individuals to get together and get approval for other years?   Steve (Scrover) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:44 pm:    "they all appear to be different vehicles" it's just a good photochop job, here's a red one from the site with the building reversed   Steve (Scrover) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:45 pm:    sorry, but check the pic on the site again!   Heath McGuire (Discoheath) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:53 pm:    Does anybody know if I send the deposit if there is any way I can gurantee the will not run off with the money.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:54 pm:    LOL John ...and you started this thread too... nice catch on the red 110 Steve   Todd Sanders (Sanderskog) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:56 pm:    The red and the silver are positioned identically, just flipped. Even the same water marks on the ground. Someone is is going to lose some serious money on this scam. As pointed out earlier. The gas cap seems to flip sides... Todd   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:56 pm:    well, Heath, when your 110 doesn't drive off the ship, you can go to Bangkok and demand some answers...   Heath McGuire (Discoheath) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:59 pm:    Ok. SO this is deffinatly a scam. Thanks.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:59 pm:    I've got a blue 110 for sale. I'm not in any way associated with Overland Tours. Just wire the money to my Bank of America account...   Heath McGuire (Discoheath) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 02:08 pm:    Hey at least your TD5 on the quarter panel reads the right way.   Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 02:17 pm:    I sent an email as ready to purchase. The bak is in Thailand. Weird. But guys look at the picture closer. They are all different vehicles. - Thomas Dahbura Thomas - don't bother with them... just buy Blue's D110...that's the picture of his in his driveway with his house in the backdrop. It looks somewhat similar with the overland's but at least that truck is in Arizona now...as it's obvious with the lush greeneries that blue planted If you're looking for something with exclusivity, buy my new RR for only $15,000 delivered. -glenn   KJ Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 02:23 pm:    Oooooooooo the Starbucks Edition! SWEET! Do I get free refills with that, Glenn???? Karen, LOL!   Steve (Scrover) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 02:25 pm:    so how do we shut these guys down?   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 02:28 pm:    don't send them money   Brian Kluge (Brianwi) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 02:32 pm:    someone can take an ad out on LRX claiming that it is a scam. Please, let's protect the gullible yuppies! Bri   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 02:39 pm:    Please, let's protect the gullible yuppies! why? also, it may not be a scam, maybe those are just "stock photos". LOL. All I know is that I'd think reeeeeeeeeal hard before wiring any money...   John Kruger (Johnnyk) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 02:43 pm:    I sent a message to LRX to remove the ad, hopefully they will.   Mel A. (Krawlrovr) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 03:10 pm:    Seems fishy, but I asked them to send more photos of the blue and grey D-110s mentioning that the ones they sent me were fake. I also asked for a photo of different expedtions they have taken, their main office, etc. We'll see.   Thomas Dahbura (U352) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 03:18 pm:    About Us For more than 20 years, Overland World has been at the forefront of adventure and discovery travel. Time has proven that our instincts were sound, as we see more and more people wanting to take part in the overland and trekking adventures that we have pioneered in several regions of the world. We are constantly remodeling and improving our circuits, and adding new destinations every year. Our expeditions with the Explorers Society continue to enjoy great success. These voyages of pure discovery guarantee the unexpected, every time. When we were traveling in Mali on the road to Timbuktu, we ran into the famous musician Ali Farka Touré (the only African musician to have won a Grammy Award) in a small village, where he invited us to spend the afternoon in his home … another time, we had an audience with the King of the Gans, a tribe in Burkina Faso…. Our upcoming expeditions promise to be just as rich in emotions and adventures. Ethiopia: hiking in the Simien Mountains, where the descendants of King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba live … the discovery of Lalibela and its monolithic churches, and the tribes of the south, where the unique plateau women live … We are also preparing a rediscovery of Tibet, in the extreme eastern reaches of the country – an area that is still unknown to tourism.   Thomas Dahbura (U352) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 03:20 pm:    Hey Glenn-I'll take it!!! Do you take paypal ;) and a double espresso This is fascinating. I could never be a crook, I lack so much imagination. Take a look at the main site at http://www.overlandworld.7p.com/index.htm What a great story. Well done!!!   Tripp Westbrook (Tripp) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 03:22 pm:    Guys, my friend got an e-mail exactly like the last one posted above, the only difference being that they said the Grey and BLUE one were available. Also, they mentioned in the first e-mail that the SILVER one was already sold. Definitely fishy. T-   Tripp Westbrook (Tripp) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 03:26 pm:    One more thing. Look closely at the background photo on their website with the vehicles for sale. You'll see Camel Trophy vehicles. Not trucks from their trips.   Steve (Scrover) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 03:32 pm:    "We generally sell our vehicles twice per year or after 10,000 miles so continue to check back" "We cover 20,000 miles of the continent by road, starting in Europe and ending at the Cape of Good Hope in southern Africa." I guess they switch vehicles halfway through!   Steve Andrews (Sillybus) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 04:23 pm:    "It is a scam, but what would it take for a few like minded individuals to get together and get approval for other years?" The first thing needed is to do some thorough research and determine which year would be best. The issues to consider, among others I'm sure, are how close to DOT Safety the year is. The closer the better. Then I'm sure there may be little things that make one year more desirable than the other. Once that is determined and the application submitted, there is no guarantee the vehicle will be approved. If it is, only a registered importer that is authorized to perform the necessary changes to the vehicle to meet specs can do the work. Its going to cost a few baht but still should be much cheaper than a 93 NAS. If anybody is serious about this, I am as well. I just don't want to do this by myself. Spread the work effort. I don't remember the limit on vehicles that can be sold per year to avoid dealership status (and bonding, etc.). I believe it is either 6 or 10. It hasn't been done before due to the effort required. Once complete though, a couple of people could fly over to the UK, pick out a half dozen (inspect of course) and have them shipped. I am over simplifying this but if you are really interested, let me know.   John Kruger (Johnnyk) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 04:58 pm:    I just got this from the LRX webmaster: "Thanks; just posted a detailed report with "bizhosting.com" the owner of the "7p.com" web site." He edited the listing at LRX to the following: Advertisement to SELL; Product: 2001 DEFENDER; Price: 10100; (Currency: US Dollars) 2001 Defender 110 County Station Wagon, left hand drive, USA WARNING: WE HAVE RECEIVED REPORTS THAT THIS ADVERTISER IS ASKING INTERESTED BUYERS TO SEND FUNDS TO AN OVERSEAS BANK ACCOUNT TO 'HOLD' A VEHICLE FOR PURCHASE. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD YOU SEND MONEY TO AN OVERSEAS BANK ACCOUNT UNLESS YOU HAVE ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY REGARDING THE IDENTITY OF THE SELLER. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED INSTRUCTIONS FROM THIS ADVERTISER TO SEND FUNDS OVERSEAS, PLEASE FILE A REPORT DETAILING WHAT YOU WERE TOLD WITH HIS WEB SITE HOSTMASTER AT http://www.7p.com/ DO NOT SEND MONEY IN RESPONSE TO THIS AD. THIS AD WILL REMAIN SUSPENDED UNTIL OR UNLESS WE ARE ABLE TO CONFIRM THIS ADVERTISER'S LEGITIMACY.   Mel A. (Krawlrovr) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 05:14 pm:    That's not a bad idea Steve. I believe that it won't be too hard to get this "petition" signed because it is legal to import a 1993 Defender 110. The newer model Defender's are safer than the 1993 models, so it should be a no-brainer for newer Defender 110s to be DOT approved.   Robbie (Robbie) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 05:15 pm:    and the "DWeb Scam Busters" do it again!   anon Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 05:16 pm:    In response to Overland's reply to my "ready to purchase" inquiry (below), I told them I'm ready to wire deposit money, but could they please clear up one thing before I do - why do the photos appear to be the same vehicles with different body colors and backdrops? I haven't heard back......... >From: "Overland World - Customer Service Manager" >Reply-To: "Overland World - Customer Service Manager" >To: "J Smectite" >Subject: Re: ready to purchase >Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:09:09 +0700 > >It looks as if all our current stock of vehicles have been sold. >We do have four 110's that are currently on a tour in Mexico and will be >ready for sale at the end of the month. They are all Silver models with the >same setups as our others. >All four have already been converted to US/California specs and are >California reg, - Import taxs have already been paid as well. >The prices will be near the same ($11,000 - $12,000) and will be inspected >prior to sale. >I do not think we will have any further 90's, as we do not normally use this >model for our tours. > >If you are interested in holding the sale of these four 110's please send us >a reply to: vehsales@overlandworld.7p.com > >Overland World > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: J Smectite >To: >Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 12:58 AM >Subject: ready to purchase > > > > I have buyers for any and all available D90, D110, or other Land Rover > > Vehicles. I have several buyers who are willing to place a deposit now >and > > wait for their vehicle to be made ready for importation into USA. I see >on > > your website that you have a limited number of USA-ready vehicles. How >many > > deposits may I put down in return for a guarantee for more vehicles? I >can > > wire money to account of your choice.   John Lee Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 05:38 pm:    Isn't all of this merely academic? I thought nobody here wanted a Defender. No?   John Kruger (Johnnyk) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 05:49 pm:    Really we are all just a lottery ticket away from getting one. I think it may be worth while to petition for the addition of more recent years, but the importation is still a hastle.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 06:01 pm:    I'd go for a 90, 110, or that 130 triple door mobile home. But my pursuit of such is indeed purely academic.   Todd Sanders (Sanderskog) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 06:19 pm:    MMMMmmmmmm 130   Mel A. (Krawlrovr) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 06:22 pm:    Okay, who are the people that actually put money down on these "US-spec" Defenders? Discowebers? D-90 people? Keep us updated with what is going on. That will be the ultimate factor here. Also anybody in the far East, Europe or Africa ever heard of these guys? Are they actually a real company?   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 06:56 pm:    You know the funny thing is that these guys could be drug dealers using the 110s to get drugs across the border into the USA from South America. Then they sell off the rigs after they remove all the drugs. Thus the cheap prices.. Either way though they'd probably take your cash and run. I hope some one does buy on from them so that we will at least know for sure. I'd love to get a D90 Tomb Raider for 9 grand.. It would make a nice daily driver.   Tripp Westbrook (Tripp) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 07:33 pm:    Or the money wired to Thailand winds up in some terrorists coffers. nice.   Heath McGuire (Discoheath) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:13 pm:    I just e-mailed there web master. Also US Customs has a fraud line. I am gonna call in the morning to see if they can get a line on whats going on.   Kim S (Roverine) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 09:16 pm:    This thread was getting so long - I really needed to leave, but my curiousity got the better of me, and I just had to read it .... ROTFL!!!!!!!! I'm trying to catch my breath!! ... good god almighty, this is a good one, LOL!!! Too much. Let's see, (besides wiring the money to Blue, LOL) what was one of my favorite parts ... Something to the effect of, "Oh and now by the way, after you've wired us the money, don't forget to give us your information, you know, like your name ... Glenn, maybe you could e mail them and ask them if they would entertain a deal for an even exchange with your "exclusive" mean green Range Rover? ... Send them a picture. Oh man. Kim   Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 09:25 pm:    Never buy something site unseen!!!!!!   kevin Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 10:50 pm:    I ran into a scam like this last year. The company was called On Top Film Production Assistance. They claimed to be getting rid of 110's they used for VIP's to drive while shooting overseas. Same M/O as Overland. Sold almost new cars to make way for new ones. They also wanted money sent to a bank in the Phillipines. They only communicated via email and never gave a phone number that was legit. They claimed to have offices in San Fransisco and Hollywood but a search turned up no known buisness in either city. The adds ran in Autotrader type companies on the internet only. They had a web site that also had a equipment for sale section but very little content for a company the size they claimed. THIS IS A TOTAL SCAM   Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 11:08 pm:    Kim... now that's an idea.... Guys, guys... don't even try to figure out if it's real or not, IT'S A SCAM! Legit business is not conducted this way...But if you still think that there's a slight possibility, let me know, 'coz I'll sell you that New RR for a real bargain, heck I'll even throw in the Brooklyn Bridge!!! -glenn   Kim S (Roverine) Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 11:37 pm:    LOL, Glenn, yeeeaaaah, ..... yeaah, that's the ticket ... uh yeeeaaah .... and we, uh, we have to get rid of those D90's quick cuz, cuz we don't , uh , we don't even use them on our imperial expeditions, yeeaaah, that's it ... in fact, uh, we actually got a whole shipment of them by mistake! yeeaaaah!! .... Kim   KJ Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 11:58 pm:    Glenn, I don't want no stinkin' bridge I just wanna bottomless cup of Latte Groovyco. Can you provide that????? Seems like such a SMALL thing to ensure good customer service.... Karen   Heath McGuire (Discoheath) Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 02:19 am:    Here is another illegal truck. An Overfinch 110 on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1869810193   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 08:16 am:    I dunno Heath, that one is at least IN the US.... no, it may very well be one that has slipped through the cracks thus far, but, it may be legal too.... that one would require a bit more research, but the price is about right for a 110, so, it's not like it's a ridiculous low-ball price trying to get you to wire money to an account controlled from overseas.... It is listed as having 8-cylinders, but says Tdi on the side... my guess is, when it was brought in, to meet emmissions, they swapped a V8 in place of the Tdi.... I think it may be legit... If you're really interested in it, email the fella and ask to have copies of the paperwork faxed to you so you can call and verify that it was properly imported. -L   LucasSoucy Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 09:04 am:    Good job guys! I got so excited when I first saw the ad thinking it was like companies that do Mountain Bike tours. You know buy 100 bikes, beat them up for a season, have the shop make the drivable and then sell them. I've actually picked up a couple nice bikes that way, but I did it in person. I went online last night and checked them out with the Better Business Bureau and you guessed it. Doesn't exist so they're going to research it for me. Nice guys the BBB. Anyways I sent them a message that I'm ready to buy but I want to talk to someone on the phone. No call for me. Not even a response. What's the matter guys no Speaka the English? Why won't they let us use a credit card? If the company does these huge tours they must allow the use of a credit card otherwise who has the cash to take a 29 week trip through Africa? The answer is that credit cards have fraud protection. This thing pisses me off so much. I've been searching for a D90 for about 3 years and trying to find one with low enough mileage and low enough price. I'm with the people that want to apply to allow newer ones as imports. I think we would have to go with ones that are 2001 or newer and have the TD5 Diesel. It's cleaner and should pass emmissions testing or at least not be too hard to get too. The TD5 looks sweet! Also I thought there was a problem with them because they didn't have air bags or something rediculious like that. Any any case put me on the petition for imports.   Todd Sanders (Sanderskog) Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 10:18 am:    Bidding on that Overfinch 110 would make me nervous. Something about "The car comes with a PA Certificate of Title. Sold "as is, where is."" reeks of trouble. Todd   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 10:33 am:    Oh, I sure wouldn't bid, not w/o seeing the paperwork first, and then VERIFYING it.... and not just the title, I'd check for a case number of some such to check when/who federalized it... -L   send me money Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 11:57 am:    Thank you for all the inquiries and $2500 wire transfers, but the blue 110 has been sold. I do, however, have two 110's that recently became available. The first is a rare Murky Metallic Pewter with the much desired non-marking white tire option @ $12,300: The second is a Deep Zamboni Silver that was unfortunately rolled over by a charging elephant whilst traipsing through the jungle in northern Canada. Our Rover-certified mechanics have inspected it and it is warrantied for an additional decade. Asking price is $11,200:   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 11:57 am:    Thank you for all the inquiries and $2500 wire transfers, but the blue 110 has been sold. I do, however, have two 110's that recently became available. The first is a rare Murky Metallic Pewter with the much desired non-marking white tire option @ $12,300: The second is a Deep Zamboni Silver that was unfortunately rolled over by a charging elephant whilst traipsing through the jungle in northern Canada. Our Rover-certified mechanics have inspected it and it is warrantied for an additional decade. Asking price is $11,200:   Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 12:06 pm:    Blue, you ruined your "send me money" disguise.. LOL -glenn can I have those white glow tires with the "black letter" showing outside?   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 12:17 pm:    yeah, forgot you can't post photos anonymously....   Brian Kluge (Brianwi) Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 12:51 pm:    If you take emotions out of the equation, NO DEFENDER is worth this kind of hassle/expense. The 'invisible hand' is telling people that they can't have it, so they want it. My UK-born buddy thinks I'm a total loser because I love Land Rovers, he even bought a baseball hat for me that has the word REDNECK on it along with a confederate flag. Us lusting over these vehicles is like a guy in Europe lusting over a '78 Bronco - ok, maybe not that bad but you get the point. Take Ho's advice and do the 'been there, done that' but just skip the the 'been there' part. THESE VEHICLES ARE NOT WORTH IT.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 01:26 pm:    hehehe most say my 96 Disco is "worth" about $10k. But if I find someone that is willing to pay $20k, then is it not "worth it"?   Todd Sanders (Sanderskog) Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 01:26 pm:    Damn Blue. I thought the Deep Zamboni Silver one had some kind of high tech traction control that allowed it to crawl walls and ceilings. I was all ready to pay a premium until I saw you rolled it. Todd   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 01:41 pm:    Traction control that lets you drive upside down on overhead obstacles? Don't be ridiculous. I would clearly be a charlatan and a fraud if I offered that. However, I do have a red 110 equipped with Super Vacu-Jack Lockers that let you climb a 90 degree slope. It just became available. Price is $11,200. Wire money now, ask questions later.   Todd Sanders (Sanderskog) Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 02:10 pm:    OOOOOooooooooooooooohhhh. That's what I am talking about Unfortunately I am a complete imbecile and don't know how to wire money. Can I just send you large bundles of cash instead? Let me know whar your PO Box is in Thailand and I'll send the money today.   Carter Simcoe (Carter) Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 02:38 pm:    Damn, I leave for a few days and miss all of this. Sucks because I really felt like sending $2,500 to Thailand to help out drug dealers, you guys just had to go and ruin it for me didn't you.   KJ Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 05:33 pm:    Brian, My Englishman pal thinks we're all nuts, too. While he and his family were living in the US, he drove and LOVED his Buick! When I told him I was thinking of buying a Rover he REALLY tried to talk me out of it, muttering under his breath about Yanks who don't know what comfort and room are all about! What's exotic and wonderful to one, is common and silly to another I suppose. I will him all my future Buicks..... Karen   KJ Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 05:35 pm:    Carter, Support the local economy. Think "Home Grown"! HAHAHA! Karen   Pugsly Posted on Monday, October 21, 2002 - 06:52 pm:    Their website is down now, a huge disappointment - made for some good conversation http://www.overlandworld.7p.com/ I wonder how much money they made? You know some people had to have fallen for it.   John Kruger (Johnnyk) Posted on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 10:11 am:    I think the hosting company pulled the site, I bet it will be back up on a different domain some time soon. John   John Cinquegrana (Johnc) Posted on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 12:45 pm:    Why oh why?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1869810193   Mel A. (Krawlrovr) Posted on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 04:03 pm:    I don't know about that D110 John, the wheels look ass ugly and the tires look too small to be on a Defender. I like the 330hp part though. But $39000 is steep for something like that.   Q Posted on Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 11:52 pm:    Could he be ex military? I checked while i was living in england and if I sold my Jeep there I would have been able to import any vehicle that i purchased there. While i was there there are local dealers that you can order cars from the factory with american specs BMW, Sabb, Land Rover, Audi and several diffrent cars. I left there in 1998 the only thing was the car had to have an airbag which is required after 96? I think cant remember the year. Buy the way they drive jeeps and chevys over there like we drive land rovers and other imports here.