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david summers
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 11:58 am: | 
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Last weekend we went diving on some sand dunes/trails. My Dll did amazingly well, given it's weight, stock configuration and the difficulty of the trails (the only other vehicles out in this area were tiny ATVs and my buddie's '77 Land Crusier). I did manage to get stuck when trying to climb a long, steep hill (think Fins & Things, but all sand) and required a tug to get over the top. I have 265/75 Rover M/Ts on order, and will be doing the OME 2" lift.
My question is, would these tires have helped or hurt my efforts in the sand? Yes, I had the tires aired down. BTW, on the way out, the Land Crusier got seriously stuck and I had to give my buddy and his kids a ride home. |
Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 01:12 pm: |
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David, I would think that the open tread of the M/T's will be a hinderance on sand. The theory on sand is you want your tires to stay on top, not dig in. So a closer tread tire is less likely to "dig down" and get your vehicle stuck. Airing down will definietly help, though. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 01:26 pm: |
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sand can be really strange stuff I have seen mustangs on paddle tires with 2wd go farther then set up 4x4s on mt's.
low tire pressure is the first step. the all-time 4wd on the disco isnt the best set up. in really soft sand a 2wheel drive(rear wheel) gets up on top easier.in my truck I lock the ARB launch in 2wd then shift to 4wd to stay ontop. in a disco that isnt possible.
in silver lake Migh there are some awsome sand dunes that are open to all vehicles watching the 2wd vehicles do what they can and then sinking a mud tired 4x4 trail truck to the frame will show you very quickly that you need to use a different strategies in sand. |
david summers
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 01:35 pm: |
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Thanks for the input. I very interesting about the 2 wheel drive; had I know that, my Land Cruiser friend could have locked his hubs and maybe he could have made it up the hill. |
Will Bobbitt (Rkores)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 09:14 pm: |
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The open treads of the MT design will will make it harder to stay on top since the tire is designed to dig into the mud. It is possible if you drive carfully and start off very slow though. I would say that the stock Michelins will do much better for that kind of stuff. Buy a new set of rims, and put the MT's on those, and keep the ones you have for sand and street driving. And if you get really serious about some sand, get balloon tires!
Will |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 09:42 pm: |
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Ditto to that, my stock Michelins do alot better than my BFG M/Ts when it comes to sand |
Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 10:21 am: |
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FWIW, the Yoko Geolander AT Plus II's do very well in the sand. They have a fairly aggressive tread for an AT, which helps them in the sticky stuff, but they also have a large footprint, which helps in the sand. I've used them on the beach several times at 32 psi and have never had a problem with them staying on top. If you do alot of sand driving but still want a decent tire for other conditions, they're definitely worth looking into. |
William C. Leek (Onionman)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 11:10 am: |
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Two years ago, while on vacation at the Great Sand Dunes in Colorado, I drove the trail that skirts the edge of the dunes. Soft, deep, dry sand. Stock Discovery with almost brand new stock Michelin tires at normal air pressure. No problems, not even when I had to back up about 100 yards to get out of the way of the Park Rangers coming to rescue another vehicle buried up to its axles. |
adtoolco
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 04:10 pm: |
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If I airdown my M/T's to say 5 or 6 lbs. would that give me good perfomance? I have gone down to 12psi. with very nice results.
-Chris |
Ted Chestnut (Tedchestnut)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 12:28 am: |
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David, I just went out to Hatteras NC last weekend (soft sand) I have 235/85 bridgestone dueler MT's with the OME HD lift. I didn't let any air out of my tires and they spun like crazy (bad idea on my part I know.) I only got "stuck" once. Right when it happened the driver side dug down real quick cause of the treads eatin up all the sand. Just had to clear it out a little and drive off. But I think overall mud treads and sand are not good. and you really have to let some air out. |
janpellenbarg
| | Posted on Friday, October 25, 2002 - 04:43 am: |
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David,
The best tyres for sand are the aircraft like big balloon tires with no profile apart for some circumferential threads. They are used a lot by the local communities here in the middle east.
I had them under my toyota short wheelbase in Qatar, dropped the pressure to 8 psi and drove over sabka (large mushy salty soils areas between the sand dunes) where normal 4x4 got desperately stuck.
Unfortunately (pretty obvious) they are totally useless to drive them on wet roads and high speeds.
But I can assure you if you really want sanddriving fun then that is the way to have a special tyre set for it.
We used a 30mtr long 2" nylon rope to recover other adventurers by driving pretty fast away on the slack wire, tension it that way so that the impact unstuck the other car and gueranteed recovery of at least a bumper of the stuck car, mostly the whole car came out.
This all happened close to the sea side and we have seen quite a number of (brand new) 4x4 disappearing under water. The main reason to make sure you had the best tyres and conditions possible to play the game. |
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