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LR Max
| | Posted on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 05:02 pm: | 
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Hi all,
At MAR, I think I buggered up the steel winch cable on my Warn M12000. I am looking to replace it with Master pull line. I was going to get a straight replacement (3/8" x 125') but then y'all started talking about winch cables  .
So, I think I have a general idea on how much footing I want, but my question is on diameter. They say that their 5/16" is rated for 14,500 lbs. I am wondering if this will be just as good as the 3/8" rated at 23,000 lbs. I currently run a 3/8" cable and I was thinking that the smaller rope would allow me to put more line on per wrap, thus allowing me to use pulling strength and still have substantial amount of cable on the winch. This would also help prevent piling up to the point of busting something.
So, what do y'all think? Thanks.
Max T. |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 06:58 pm: |
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Personally I would keep the 3/8" |
LR Max
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 06:42 am: |
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OK, does anybody else have any thoughts on the subject?
Max T. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 07:46 am: |
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dare i mention the Master Pull lines. hell i have only used mine twice, so maybe i should not speak up yet. the stuff is pricey at about $275 for 125'@3/8", but it sure is sexy and easy to handle. no need for gloves or the line getting kinked as you spool it back on the drum. and no need to worry about the line breaking and hurting anyone around you. very safe and easy to work with. and if and when it does break splicing it back is not very hard. least it can be done.
check with the boys at EE. they sell the plasma ropes. aka Barbie Yarn.
ps: i have the warn 12k as well lr max. stick with the 3/8" from what i have been told over and over. |
Rick Lindgren (Slacker)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 02:22 pm: |
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Masterpull also has their "super-line". 3/8" rated at 26,500lbs. Available in various lengths. Spendy, but they usually carry quality stuff. The guy who owns the company spent a lot of time in the Maritime industry, saw how they were replacing massive cables on the ships with high strength line, and learned the proper ways to tie a knot, splice a line, and rig things so they can bear a heavy load and not come apart. He made a special trip out and opened his shop for me one weekend because I was passing through town and wanted to see the operation and get some custom length lines made.
IMHO. An interesting guy running a small, quality business. He doesn't want to rule the world, just make better recovery gear than he saw on the market.
Rick |
lew
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 02:59 pm: |
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http://www.rockstomper.com/catalog/recovery/ropes.htm |
Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 04:21 pm: |
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from what i have heard, the Amsteel(sold by rock stomper) is better than masterpull because it melts at a higher temp, and ther is another rope called X-line(i think thats the name) that is even better... |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 04:41 pm: |
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Ho said mine was the best. so therefore i am!! so there. haha. |
Rick Lindgren (Slacker)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 04:58 pm: |
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Check-out the super-line from Masterpull. The following is pure regurgitation from their website. Since I wasn't getting winch lines at the time, I haven't ever used this stuff. Just putting out some ideas.
"M-P SUPER-LINE is the newest and the most advanced synthetic winch cable yet with a super strong inner core that has been pre heated and stretched to its optimum strength. Comes with braided cover made of synthetic fiber for added strength, excellent abrasion and protects the inner core from UV rays.
NEW TECHNOLOGY IN USA ONLY AVAILABLE @ MASTER-PULL
SUPER-LINE 3/8" X 100' 26,500lb.
Amsteel Blue 3/8" X 100' 18,401lb.
Technora 3/8" X 100' 18,000lb.
Plasma 3/8" X 100' 17,500lb.
Wire cable 3/8" X 100' 14,800lb." |
Brian Hashman (Bhashman)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 08:30 pm: |
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I use amsteel blue on mine, good stuff. I've used it many times with no problems. Any of the ropes are much better than using wire cable. So much easier to work with, especially if you use it a lot. |
Tom Rowe
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 05:38 pm: |
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FWIW the wire rope figure is misleading. You can get wire rope with nearly the same strength as Amsteel Blue, within a few hundred pounds. |
LR Max
| | Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 06:31 am: |
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Thanks everyone for the replies. I have checked out many different ropes now, and it has spawned a new question: How hot does a Warn M12000 get? Whenever I use it, I can always touch it and it isn't very hot. If it is within about 150oF, then I will go with UWHMPE (or whatever) line. But, if my little smoker (LOL) gets hotter than that, then I will get X-line (can take the heat better). Once again, price is a factor and if my winch doesn't get very hot then I don't need to spend the extra money on a feature that doesn't even apply to me.
Once again, thanks for all of y'alls help.
Max T. |
Bill Bettridge (Billb)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 07:43 am: |
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Max - it's not really a matter of how hot the motor gets - you can control that - it is a matter of how hot the drum gets when the internal brake is engaged. The most obvious example of this is letting another truck down an obtsacle or backwards winching (ie: winching yourself down a hill, etc) - the planetary winch uses the internal brake to slow the drum and like any brake, it gets hot - a worm drive winch uses the interaction between the worm and ring gear to the same effect - but without any heat. When you are winching "in" - the brake is not engaged.
Hope my descrpition was accurate according to all the winch gurus - if it was not, I'm sure I'll hear about it
That being said - unless you plan on a bunch of winching down obstacles - don't worry too much - especially with the 12K. I had the same winch up until recently and never used anything but the UHMW rope - even backwards winching sometimes - I was just careful.
Bill |
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