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phil_dguzmann
Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Please help, newbie here and looking for a used Disco as my 1st LR rig. If the difference in price is about $4K with about the same miles 80K and options, etc. both in excellent condition (interior and exterior), which model will you choose? And why? TIA. :)
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
let us know what you plan on doing with it. If offroad ability is what you want go with the DI, generally agreed upon as more capable out of the box and you can use the money you saved on mods. If it is going to be for hauling kids to soccer games then you will probably appreciate a lot of the increased creature comforts of the DII as well as the increased reliability that would hopefully come with a newer truck.
 

phil_dguzmann
Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 04:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Carter,

Thanks for the response. I forgot to mention that I intend to use the rig for weekend outings, towing my tent trailer, going off-road with family and friends. It will not be a daily driver but need reliability for long trips (Oregon, Arizona, Utah) with the family. I live in So. Cal close to the San Bernardino Mountains.
I hear you on spending the extra $ in mods since I want to upgrade the suspension (OME stuff) and M/T tires, etc. But really confused right now since both seem a good value. A LR tec. says the Disco 2 has better Engine Management (Bosch vs. Lucas) and electronic transmission module, etc.
 

Pugsly (Pugsly)
Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I would go with the DII, unless you have heavy mods planned. Even then, more and more is becoming available for the DII
 

Eric Pena (Evalp)
Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 04:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Keep in mind the 2000 DII has the center diff lock bolt. This alone makes me say DII, pluss newer so MAYBE less repairs right off.
 

Glenn Guinto (Glenn)
Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 04:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Keep in mind too that they are both 80K miles... that's fairly high for the 98D1 let alone the 00D2. Not to say that they are not made to last that much mileage but at this level, a lot of wear and tear in various components will start to haunt you. Make sure that the service history is okay and kept up to date as well. You might be looking at a top rebuild on that 98 depending on the maintenance it received from the PO (or lack thereoff). You did say they're both in excellent condition interior and exterior but how's the mechanical part? One can fully detail a truck for less than 200 bucks...

As far as choices, it's a toss up. I have a 99D1 and can personally say that the D2 is more 'civilized' than my D1. The D2 equipped with CDL and ETC from what I hear is an excellent combination.

Just my .02 cents...

-glenn
 

phil_dguzmann
Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 06:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Additional information:

Both the '98 D1 and '00 D2 were seviced by LR Dealers and both are leased and they exceeded their annual mileage so they are looking to dump it before the lease expires. Unfortunately they're both upside down right now with no equity. Both were driven So. California freeway miles. The '00 D2 has a brand new engine (only 1K miles on it) because it overheated and the dealer replaced it under the extended warranty.

I may just hold out until early next year and see what is out there but I am really itching to go 4 wheeling. Thanks for all your replies so far and keep them coming.
 

Eric Pena (Evalp)
Posted on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 08:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Something else to keep in mind. If you are looking for an off road truck, keep your ears open for one with some off road stuff already on it. The price will typicaly be lower and most of them will be maintaned very well as most of us baby these vehicles.

I still say go with a 00 DII with the CDL and ETC. This can be the single greatest peice of equipment for slipage and it comes stock. If you want better traction get a CDL kit to lock it fully and you just can't beat it.

Again...my 2 cents!
 

Rich Lee
Posted on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 10:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
We have a 99 D1 (my neighbor's) and a 00' D2 SE-7(my wife's new Rover) sitting in our shared driveway, along with our first Rover (95 Disco SD-7, bought new) and 91 Classic Rangie. Of all the vehicles, the 00' D2 is by far the best in engineering, build quality and finish. Despite the increased electronic gagetry, the 00' is a much preferable package and the majority of the first year problems of the 99 D2 were very quickly worked-out by 00.

The torque and powerband of the D2 "Thor" engine and •••••• are amazing compared to either D-1. It really feels like a 97 4.6 rangie as far as accelleration and is every bit as quiet and smooth. Plus, it seats all 7 facing foreward, with good headrests and shoulder harness for all. After making a couple neck-twisting/head-banging panic stops in the 95 D1 with side-facing jump seats, I can really appreciate the safety factor of the new rear seats.

The fit and finish of D2 the interior is noticably better than the 99 D1 and WAY better than the 95. The electronic HVAC controls and performance are much better and probably more reliable that the crappy sliding contact switches of the D1. The 12 speaker 320 watt Harmon Kardon audio system eliminates all but the most insane desire to upgrade the stereo.

Looking underneath, the mechanicals and driveline are much better packaged. Even the stock suspension handles far better than any previous stock Rover I have driven. Brakes are also much better in both feel and stopping power.

The only drawback to the D2 is in the off-road arena of rear overhang (due to 7" longer rear cargo/seating area), but you can address that by adding a rear bumper from Trek Outfitters, $afariGard or maybe from Kyle or Greg Davis.

I also think the ETC (without CDL linkage)works better off-road than a D1 with CDL locked and "left foot braking". Also, the traction and handling of the ETC is far better on icy roads than the D1, especially with the CDL locked. The CDL may ensure traction to both ends of the truck, but the D1 tends to "crab" a bit around turns when both diffs are turning at the same speed.

Oh, and the D2's Goodyear Wrangler HP's absolutely suck on-road due to noise & cupping (they do handle OK though) and can't come close to even the stock D1 XPC's off road.

If the price of the D2 is within $2000 to $3000 of the D1 and you can afford it, go for it.

Having said that, I will also say that the build quality of the 99 D1 is way better than the 95. The entire driveline is much smoother and the body & chassis feel much more solid than my 95, even when it was new.

Good luck in your decision
 

phil deguzman (Powerslide)
Posted on Saturday, November 16, 2002 - 12:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Thanks for your replies and the decision is getting tougher. At first, I just want an entry level rig (<$15K) and now I am looking at around $20K for '00 D2's. My limit is $20K for the weekend warrior and hopefully with all your help, I can land one (no pun intended).

My question now is: Are high mileage '00 D2's still a safe buy? I'm talking 50-80K miles and mostly freeway miles. Thanks again to all and I can't wait to get one.
 

phil deguzman (Powerslide)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 12:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Thanks to all I finally got me a Blue '00 Disco2 with 45K miles. It has new pads/rotors/battery and radiator courtesy of Land Rover (under warranty).
Props to Eddie at Land Rover Unlimited for certifying the truck. I am so excited right now. I will take pictures later and hopefully drive a trail this weekend for some 4 wheeling.:)
 

Michael Noe (Noee)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 05:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Way to go Phil, you're going to really enjoy that truck. Make sure the SLABS recall has been done, sounds like it probably has since it's been certified.
 

Rans (Rans)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 07:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Phil, Consider getting the extended warranty which is available for you up to the 49,000 mile point. You can get it extended out to 100,000mi. It isn't cheap, around $3k but well worth it if you ever have a problem with the trans/xfer box/diffs. If that happens it will only set you back a $100 deductable instead of several thou.

BTW, you made the better choice I think. The one thing I was going to mention was that if you are tall, the D1 will not be a fun ride as the roofline over the windshield is almsot 3 inches lower on the D1 causing you to duck down to see the road ahead. In the long run, either is better than a Ford/Chevy and especially a Dodge!
 

Glenn Guinto (Glenn)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 09:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Congratulations Phil!!! That's a good purchase.... Now get it dirty!

-glenn
P.S. Where are you located?
 

Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 10:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Carter:

> the DI generally agreed upon as more capable out of the box.

Is that so? LOL maybe if you just ask D1 owners, yes.

Otherwise, I think the D2 will get the edge, with its ETC, although to be fair the D1 does have better clearance.

Dean
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
by out of the box I mean before you rig it so the CDL locks, and you can give me a CDL over ETC any day. And like you mentioned the DI does have better clearance. That doesn't mean that with very little money/effort you can't get an equally capable truck, but "out of the box" I have to say the DI takes it.
 

Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 01:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Phil, congrats on your purchase. You'll be pleased with the DII. Don't listen to the DI guys, they're just jealous.
 

phil deguzman (Powerslide)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 01:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Thanks again guys for the support. I also thought it was a better choice in the long run. I pored over the service records (LR Newport Beach, CA) and they have done all the scheduled maintenance and also the SLABS ECU recall. What amazes me is how this young lady went thru 2 brake job including rotors for the last 45K miles. She must have been a hot rodder.
The dealer has replaced the following:
- Radiator / Valve Cover Gaskets / Battery / Throttle Cable / Throttle Body @ 45K
- Cylinder head / Valve job @ 34K
- Starter switch / Transmission switch @ 30K
- Idler Pulley / Serpentine belts @ 23K
- Front cup holder @ 11K
- Headlamp mounts @ 8K
It has new Goodyear Fortera HL 255/65/16 Tires but I may have to get extra wheels so I can get some M/T tires (anyone know where to buy wheels?). IMO, this is the best way to buy unless you want a $$$ new vehicle. This is my first used vehicle purchase but the way I look at this, the 1st owner already took care of the early failures / reliability issues from the factory. I just need to maintain it for longetivity. Good site BTW. Cheers!

I am located in Southern California so I may join the LR Club soon and Eddie at LR Unlimited will be fixing me up.:)
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 02:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Yeah, don't take my post above as a bash on your truck. It sounds like it is exactly what you need, something comfortable for long trips with the family and the ability to run off the beaten path as well. I love my DI to death but long trips with a bunch of people would be more fun in a DII, thats for sure.
 

Glenn Guinto (Glenn)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
...Don't listen to the DI guys, they're just jealous. -- LOL

Greg, my D1 is cuter than your D2...hehehe

-glenn
 

Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 03:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
LOL
 

Eric Pena (Evalp)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 05:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Quote:

Yeah, don't take my post above as a bash on your truck. It sounds like it is exactly what you need, something comfortable for long trips with the family and the ability to run off the beaten path as well. I love my DI to death but long trips with a bunch of people would be more fun in a DII, thats for sure.



Carter, I have you ever driven a DII on a GOOD 4x4 trail stock? I don't know the answer but think you probably have not. You might be suprised of the capability of this truck stock!

My opinion is a stock DII is going to handle a GOOD 4x4 trail better that a stock DI.

This new vehicle is WAY more capable that an "off the beaten path" trail. This IS more than just a family truckster to most on this website!
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 07:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I admit that I have only driven one on the test track bull-shit, I have driven a grand cherokee on pretty decent trail (yes I know it is different but the principle is the same). Have you ever driven a DI on a GOOD 4x4 trail??? I would much rather have both axles getting power all the time rather than only when a computer deems it necessary, thats just me.

As for a DII being able to handle for than "off the beaten path" trails.... When I said it would give Phil the ability to go off the beaten path with his family I was referring to 4x4 trails not dirt roads or whatever you are thinking of, thank you for putting words in my mouth.
 

Eric Pena (Evalp)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Carter, no hard fellings man thats just the impresion I got and I am probably not the only one.

I'm just partial to my baby and I'm sure you feel the same way about yours.
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
No hard feelings over here either but you never answered my question.
 

Eric Pena (Evalp)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 08:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I regards to my driving a DI...Yes I drove a 98 DI for 5 months before I bought my DII; a loner from my previous company. It was stock and did fine on the trail. My DII on the other hand suprised me the first time it was on a trail (Black Bear, Imogene, Engineer, etc. in the San Juan's, CO).
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 09:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I am actually curious now. Do you actually think that the DII with ETC and no CDL engaged fares better than your old DI with the CDL locked??? The time on the test track I felt it engage and while it was cool and all I liked the feeling of mine a lot better. Plus if many people think that ETC alone actually does work better than the old CDL system I have to wonder why Land Rover is feeling the need to bring the CDL back.
 

Eric Pena (Evalp)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 09:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I never said that ETC DII alone is better that a CDL on a DI but the combo of the CDL and ETC on a Disco II is, in my opinion, very good and better that the system on a DI.

I don't know all the engineering/technical reasons why a DII would be better or worse then a DI, all I know is I have drove both and I prefer the DII and that is what is important to me I also prefer it for the increesed comfort inside. The biggest draw back is the larger ass end.
 

Gregg Smith
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I am considering a '98 Discovery with 18K or '00 D2 with 60K. What do you think. The D2 is certified.
 

Eric Pena (Evalp)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 09:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Well, now you say that the larger ass end of the DII is a draw back and that the CDL alone is better than the ETC alone so I guess it must be divine intervention that allows a bone-stock DII to out perform a bone-stock DI cause I don't think that fancy 4.6 is going to push that much harder on steep hills. I'm not knocking you for liking your DII better your reasoning just doesn't make sense, if you were arguing the point because of increased comfort and handling I might be able to see it but stock vs. stock you just made a pretty good argument in favor of the DI because that CDL nut on the DII isn't very accessible off the factory floor.
 

Eric Pena (Evalp)
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 10:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Carter, I would love to continue to go back and forth about the DI and DII, but I have got to go...the Victoria Secret Fashion Show has already started on the TV!!

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