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Roverine
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 03:23 am: | 
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Just got through watching it ... wasn't sure at first if I wanted to ... heard the controversy, was truly hoping it wouldn't be another colossal Hollywood POS. Well, I just happened to catch it ...
Glad I watched. One of the best documentaries I've seen. I think they did a wonderful service to not only those who risk their lives everyday, but for all of those that perished (and especially for their loved ones left behind). For all of those who are still putting their lives on the line to defend to people. War/Terrorism/Jihad is is ugly. For all people.
I hope it reminds the world of what the f%&* is going on right now, and why. For all of those who have swept it away, or have gone to sleep. Not to rekindle morbidity and fear, but to keep reality alive.
During and through the documentary, they asked for donations to a scholorship fund for the children those that lost their lives trying to protect others. I think that is worthy. I just hope that some of the high schools and colleges that feel it's wrong to display our county's flag or say the pledge of allegiance, (etc.) might at least require more (TRUE) history lessons.
I'll be out all day tomorrow ... not trying to start a huge debate, just venting a little.
Kim |
Kim
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 03:38 am: |
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uh, duh, ... apologies for not being more specific - I am referring to the documentary that aired on the CBS television network in the USA tonight (at least in my local area). |
KJ
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 11:05 am: |
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I missed it, but as today is the six month anniversary, I'm sure we'll be seeing lots of specials. I hope they are all as good as the one you saw. It sure seems like it happened only yesterday.
Karen  |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 11:19 am: |
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I feel that they should leave it alone.. I'm sure that after 6 months most people that lost loved ones are on the road to getting on with their lives and to have the major networks re-open all the wounds isn't very good.. Of course that is just my opinion.. Better left alone. I'm sure that no one is ever going to forget and I know that come 9/11 of this year people will be down and out again but, to remind them evey hour of every day and continue to drag these poor people throught it just isn't right. |
KJ
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 12:43 pm: |
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The other side of the coin is, the loved ones left behind NEVER are without the tragedy in their minds. Though we may think we are doing them a favor by not bringing it up, they can feel we've all forgotten if it isn't noted and remembered. There is a balance to be struck, but until you've lost someone dear and felt the rest of the world has forgotten, you might not understand the other side. You're not reminding them of their loss (they can't forget!), you're letting them know you haven't forgotten.
Karen |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 01:23 pm: |
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i am pretty confident they will do some pretty 'grand' at the site. be it with a structure, a space or both.
this is the kinda work i do. just finished a memorial 'space' at Dickinson College. they seem to be in demand now and will be for a good while. |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 02:09 pm: |
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Eric, I agree with you, BUT I also think that it is also important to remind the sheep of what happened - 6 months might as well be 100 years for some people as far as memory retention is concerned. Hell, some politicians are already criticizing the administration's war on terrorism - should be over, too much money, not doing it right, etc. As if stamping out stone-age, cave-dweller terrorists was that easy... Americans need to be reminded just how tragic and colossal this attack on us was. The best part is that if the documentary would be too hard to watch, just don't turn on the TV - it's STILL a free country. |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 02:14 pm: |
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yup.. I know.. That's why I didn't watch it.. Just the network trying to make money.. |
Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler)
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 02:47 pm: |
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While I agree most of it is network greed, Hollywood is as much a part of the propaganda machine as the government. Got to keep the folks at home reminded of why we're doing things.
I don't like the "return to normal" mindset people are trying to promote. Things aren't "normal" for the military or law enforcement anymore. Most LEO's are still on shitty schedules trying to cover security issues they don't have the man power to cover. The guys who signed up for the reserves who have been activated have been living off BS salaries for the last 6 months instead of their regular jobs. What is "normal" for their families?
And as far as reminding the families of the victims, while I can appreciate their concerns, there have been, and will be, many many many more victims of 09/11 before this is said and done. |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 02:55 pm: |
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Hey, I'm not saying to forget about it by any means but, it would be nice not to have to have it dragged up every day.. |
Roverine
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 12:59 pm: |
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Eric, I agree with you in that I certainly don't want to dwell on it either - or idly and continously stir up the fear pot. Frankly, I think a majority of the media has gone back to the usual bullshit sensationalistic approach as far as "news" coverage goes, and I'm starting to see more of the same old shit tabloid type of politics and journalism return. What concerns me is, I wonder: is the public appetite for that back already??
The documentary that I was referring to was (IMO) very interesting and moving in a much different way, for me at least. It was origionally shot by two brothers from France who were putting together a documentary about FDNY, and had been living with and following an FDNY engine company that happened to be one of the closest to the trade center. They just happened to be there and caught (IMO) the truest essence of that piece of history that I have seen - unlike any other that I personally, have seen. This was just about their experience as it was captured (nothing extremley morbid was shown on film - they didn't even want to film much of what they experienced and saw). It depicted the men in that fire company in the weeks before, during, and after. One of the brothers doing the documentary came very close to perishing himself, as he was with the captain when they saw the whole thing unfold. They were the first engine company onto the scene. Miraculously, all the men in that engine company survived and one by one came trailing back into the station. The engine company helped to narrate the documentary, and give their perspectives, and just talk about their experiences before, then, and now. It seemed almost cathartic. For me, it was unlike any of the other coverage I've seen. It just brought to me an even deeper (if possible) appreciation for those men and women. I felt a reinforced coviction of what we are up against as a nation and the importance what we are doing now - For me, it was also a poke and a reminder of how we lead our own individual lives each and every day. Not trying to stir things up, it was just how I felt after viewing that documentary from a different perspective - the confusuion, shock, horror, bravery, that was witnessed as it unfolded. I wish all of the politicians that are drifting back to games as usual, along with the bleeding hearts that are critical of our treatment of the POW's in Cuba, and the countries that are being just plain "wusses", (yada yada yada,) could sit through that documentary. I know it probably would not change a lot of mindsets, but I felt that it was a good reminder of what the reality is today. The world as we know it will never be exactly the same, however I think we need to adapt and move on vigilantly. Not dwell on it, but not to sweep it under the carpet either.
Okay, I've blown out my moral speech for the day/month/year(?) ... (someone will have to remind me of that, if I get started again ...)
Kim |
Daniel
| | Posted on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 10:04 am: |
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Kim,
I watched and recorded that documentary. I agree with you that it was a very honest piece of work. I think the reason for that is the fact that it was done completely spontaniously. It was not planned or scripted or manipulated for drama. Personally, I would not want to see it portrayed any other way. It happened as the events happened and regardless of editing, it was still just what happenned. No voice over, no over dramatization or glamor. I applaud it and every person who was involved with it. |
Axel Haakonsen (Axel)
| | Posted on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 08:56 pm: |
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In a recent interview, General Norman Schwartzkopf was asked if he didn't
think there was room for forgiveness toward the people who have harbored
and abetted the terrorists who perpetrated the 11/9 attacks on America.
His answer was classic Schwartzkopf. He said, "I believe that forgiving
them is God's function. Our job is simply to arrange the meeting." |
Jake
| | Posted on Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 08:20 pm: |
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Amen to Gen Schwartzkopf! We must, as a nation, NEVER forget what happened on that day! We face a real problem ahead in preserving our country and its freedom. The pity is, not all the enemies are foreign.....
Jake Hartley
US Army 1981-1999
Captain, Infantry |
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