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Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 08:24 pm: | 
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A friend stopped by the house today to show me her new toy....
I must admit, I had straying thoughts towards the big black box. The cockpit was impressive with the different locker switches and the on-board air. The little windows were questionable, but workable. The rear end suspension is quite beefy.
Paul
'00 Pig |
muskyman
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 09:04 pm: |
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hey chevy has a new van!
even with its lockers its just a suburban.
the turning radius starts in one zip code and ends in another
I always hated the word poser and thought it was just kinda stupid sheet between people on the same side of the fence.
but these things are just such total poser BS
its a good thing only about 1% of these will ever go off road. |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 09:51 pm: |
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as i said take a good idea, give it to U.S. Auto maker engineer and he (or she) will screw it up royally. Musky dude, whats with all these words of wisdom and humor. between this and the MPG words of thought you be on a roll.
mike w |
mark
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 11:18 pm: |
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it slightly resembles a CHEST FREEZER!!!
mark |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 11:35 pm: |
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I can't wait to see one on the trail.  |
KJ
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 12:02 am: |
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Paul, it's just the new car smell seducing you....but I'll take that POS you're driving now. I love that truck.
Karen  |
Ross Thoma (Rossthoma)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 01:59 am: |
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School bus!!! |
Todd W. McLain (Ganryu)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 06:01 am: |
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The Yuppi Hummer, for the urban combat commuter. It's hard to believe that a perfecly good truck like the HMMWV ended up as that!
IMHO, the only good Hummer's have TOW2 launchers or an M2 machine guns on top. |
Todd W. McLain (Ganryu)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 06:02 am: |
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Nice disco in front of the yuppie mobile, though. |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 06:14 am: |
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LOL Karen!
Yeah, well yuppie mobile or not, I would love to take one on a trail to test it out. Since I have been home, I have seen 6 of these things and they are all perfectly immaculant. IMHO, if you strip off the plastic and those steps, plus be able to accept scratches; I bet it could go the distance in comparison to our Pigs. The switcholgy in the cockpit could rival 007, I just have to figure out where to hide the TOW launcher Todd.
Paul
'00 Pig |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 11:21 am: |
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i kinda dig the H2s.
"what is the biggest tire i can fit under the H2 without lift?"
35s??? LOL |
John Kruger (Johnnyk)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 12:31 pm: |
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One of those beasts joined us a few weeks ago at the Pipeline. Got stuck and a Freelander pull them out. The owner previously had a D90, and missed it. He did have a great time putting it to the test.
I think someone recorded the whole thing.
John
www.teampb.com |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 12:47 pm: |
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now that i would like to see. a Freewilly pulling an H2 out. haha. post back if you have a link!! |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 01:02 pm: |
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Knock them all you want. I want one. I really do. I am sure it is not completely awesome off-road, but who cares, it's and indulgence. I want one for cruising and towing to replace my Tahoe. If I won the lottery yesterday, I would be at the Hummer dealtership before the Rover dealership looking at the new Range Rover.
You people sound like a buch of Jeep people talking about Rovers!
Let's face it, this thing may have IFS, but it probably has flex that equals a stock Rover in the front. LOL.
Tom |
muskyman
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 01:35 pm: |
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well tom I agree on some level if I had to choose between it or a Suburban the H2 would get the nod
just as if I had to pick between a Neon and a PT cruiser the PT would get the nod
but still driving around something would still tell me its a Neon at heart |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 01:59 pm: |
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So, basically what you are saying is, that you wouldn't consider buying a Suburban if it were just as capable as your rover? Just because GM is advertising them to the biggest "BUYERS" market, young, yuppie, professional, women and men, doesn't make the vehicle any less capable. Just because they are based on a tahoe and 1500 HD truck frame, doesn't make them less of a vehicle.
I mean, I don't know which rover you have, but more than likely it has a 20+ year old buick engine in it............ So your just driving around in a Buick......... do you feel it that in your heart?
You guys are all too quick to dismiss anything that is not a rover product. |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 02:13 pm: |
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Greg, I don't have a problem with the H2 for what it is. It's what it wants to be that I have a problem with. Just like the Prowler and yes even the new-est Rangie. Even though I'm a huge BMW fan and LOVE that egine to death I would pass on it in a heart beat. But I'll never stop anyone from spending thier hard earned money on what they like.
Just my 2 1/2 cents. |
Rans (Rans)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 02:21 pm: |
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The only problems I have with the H2 is that it is made by GM, which means every possible corner that can be cut is cut. I have NO confidence in the quality of the product. That said, I own a Land Rover, what the fuck do I know about quality control? I know that the LR engineers designed an incredible machine that the marketers and bean counters impacted. Same probably goes for GM.
Now, give me an H1 anyday. I would love to beat the woods with one of those! That is a capable machine.
I'm not happy with where LR is going. The chrome and glitz look of the new RR is the way they will all end up....maybe I'll end up in a Jeep Rubicon one day! LOL.....oh wait, that is a Chrysler product now isn't it.....they are worse than GM. Unimog......thats where I'm going! |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 02:29 pm: |
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Think that I'll just grow a mullet and lift my old El Camino SS |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 02:41 pm: |
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Well, the thing is, take a brand new rover and a brand new H2. Start driving them at the exact same time, and I'd be willing to bet you will be in for service in teh rover multiple times before the H2 needs attention.
Second, the rover is going to cost you 5 times what a normal american car will run, even the H2 I bet, as it shares parts with one of the most widely available vehicles in the world, the tahoe and 1500 truck. Perfect example is a brake job. Get your brakes done on a rover, and at best you spend $200+ on pads and do the job yourself. GM truck can probably have the same job done by a shop for under $120. Parts are much cheaper.
Thirdly, even though it is outfitted for the soccer mom type or average joe yuppy, the H2 is increadibly well equiped off the show room floor. Other examples of this include the jeep rubicon and toyota land cruisers. Not only doesn't rover give us full lockers, they deleted the only locker, and as far as I understand it, they are not returning it to the US market any time soon.
Fourthly, as equiped, I bet the H2 is not that much more expensive, if at all, than a New Disco 2 with all the same accessories. It's just that with the D2, you have to buy and install all that stuff after the fact.
If I were doing it again right now, I would probably have considered keeping my expedition for daily driving, and trying to get my hands on a rubicon and a trailer for playing. But, then I guess I'm just not a Land Rover Lifer like some people. I love my Disco, but I think that this board can be a little too critical at times of non landrover products.
Looking at that H2 in Pauls driveway, I'm thinking that it looks awesome, and with some minor tweaking, like removing the runnign boards and upgrading to some MTR's, it would be ready to rumble.
(I'm bored at work today, so I thought i would play devils advocate. ) |
the Big Daddy
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 02:49 pm: |
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He's stiring . He's stiring . He's stiring
Big hug Greg ! |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 02:52 pm: |
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My father-in-law is on the verge of buying an H2. I'm all for it. I think it looks...different, and I want to play with it. He'll drive it off-road about as much as he drives his mint-condition 1996 Eddie Bauer Bronco off-road His '96 has under 40k miles and he's engaged the 4wd once. A buddy of mine is also thinking about picking up an H2. He'd actually follow me off-road, so that would be fun too. Who cares what other people do with their money? |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 03:10 pm: |
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Thats right big daddy, I was stiring the pot to try to get some people talking. Seems slow in here today.
However, don't worry Ho, I'm not going to post the yellow boxer picture just because big daddy posted above. |
milli
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 03:16 pm: |
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GM is a bad rep for made in the USA and that thing will fall apart after 80k just like they planned. |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 03:27 pm: |
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Well, unless you open your wallet wide, so will your rover. In fact, your rover will start at 80 miles. European cars last longer, but what no one seems to mention is european cars get more stuff replaced as part of their normal service procedure. I mean, what american car have you had, that your normal 30k service runs close to a grand? I mean, the standard american's attitude towards car service involves gas, jiffy lube, and fix it once it breaks. Most don't remember to do some of these simple things on a regular basis.
I bet, if you took that H2, and babied it like you do your rover, and implemented a similar service procedure to what most people do with their rover, or even mercedes for that matter, it would fair just as well. It's just that we are constantly spending loads of money on our european car, and then claim that it just fairs better than the us car that on average gets less attention. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 03:28 pm: |
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jens mother is looking to get an H2. that means if she does jen gets her mothers 2001 Kalahari and she has to get rid of her 2000 D2. i hate the Kalaharis, so i am hoping she does not buy an H2.
my brothers buddy just bought one and they want us to have a tug of war. ok i would get killed at that stupid game, but i would be more than happy to play follow the leader. since i really doubt he would be willing to get any mud or scratches on it.
yeah......do what you want with you $$, but regardless of what pimped out 4X4 you own, you still look like a tool when it's pretty obvious it is just a show piece and not actually used for what you bought and built it up for.
H2=Elimidate |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 03:32 pm: |
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well greg, since you mentioned the yellow boxers, i am curious...
question for the big daddy...
did the nick name come first? or the printed boxers?
in other words, did you name yourself after some yellow boxer shorts you found? or did you have them custom printed? |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 03:41 pm: |
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You see though Garrett, why is that any different than the Disco? I see probably 10 to 15 discos per day in the Philly area, and only about once per month or more, do I run into a heavily modded Disco. All those other discos are going to work, to the mall, to band practice, to where ever. Not all disco's are getting used off road.
I bought my Disco 2 new, and actually have quite a bit of money sunk into it and the add ons, yet I have scratches all over it, and it still has mud on it from teh pine barrens and from MAR as I haven't really washed it. I mean, go back and look at how grubby the inside of my truck is in the pictures in the above posts.
So, why would someone using the H2 to go off road, be any different than someone using a Disco. And, why would someone buying an H2 and not going off road be any worse than someone buying say a Kalahari with roof rack, lights, brush bar, sliders, etc. and not going off road? How does that make it worse to do that in the H2? |
Kirk Thibault (Kirkt)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 03:45 pm: |
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I like the orange running lights on the roof - is that for low flying aircraft? Also, I am disappointed that they did not retain the air transport lifting rings sticking through the engine cover - that would have been a classy, rugged touch. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 03:48 pm: |
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well let me clerify my basis
this is the mother ship as we call it it belongs to one of the guys in our group and it has pulled trailers, carried parts, hauled canoes,brought large numbers of people to the trail and all those other jobs for years,as well as getting wheeled pretty hard for a stocker since new including going down the rock garden on thunder mt at the pipline in winter in 3 feet of snow. here it sits stuck making a simple y turnat a snowy boat landing 
it has been an ok truck, but its had three transmissions 2 transfercases and a number of gremlins of sorts. it now is slated for a new bigger rear axle because all the towing has been tough on it.
my point is I'm not saying the H2 cant go off road. I'll bet that with a good driver and its lockers it will go offroad real well. but it will never live up to its looks or name because Hummers where the real thing. built to be wheeled and not break in the process.
look at the Picture above the panhard bar is made of stamped steel with a cross bushing tac welded through it.
they have cut more then portals out of the Hummer they cut the beef needed to stay togather. they have taken alight duty chassic and loaded it down with heavy body and coachwork then make you think you can pile it full of gear and head on your adventure.
well as mall crawlers they will be just fine . but drop it into service pulling the heavy boats guys race around with and those things will show themselves. just as the suburbans do when you load them up and use them hard.
go ahead and spend your money where you like but the fact you guys are reading this makes me believe in the long run you will agree.
in the mean time....you'l be looking Mean! |
thom mathie (Muskyman)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 03:51 pm: |
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the mother ship
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Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 03:52 pm: |
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Well Guys,
If I ever get my friend to let me drive it, I'll give you all a full report. I still think with the right driver, the H2 could hang with just about anyone on this board....
Paul
standing by for flamage  |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 03:58 pm: |
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So, Musky, are you saying your rover is built more sturdy than the H2? Or are we now going to change the argument to the differences between the H1 and the H2? I'm not saying the H2 is an H1. I'm simply saying that because it's not a rover, rover people always try to find a reason to put it down. I imagine it is built as heavy, or heavier than a rover. I don't think the stock rover comes all that heavily built anyway. If it did, you wouldn't see everyone on here replacing axles, diffs, tires, wheels, bumpers, etc.
My point is, and remains, that the constant reasons people put their rover above other vehicles don't make sense. It's like self rationalization. Take your rover and do the same service as the suburban you are talking about, down to the T, and then report back about which was better and required more service. Hell, when you read the posts on this site about all the broken parts from a day out wheelin, it doesn't make me think the rovers are all that well built "for their intended task" as everyone likes to say. I'd venture out on a limb and go against everyones mindset and say your modern day rover was built to go to the mall and back, not to do the more extreme stuff we ask out of them and then complain to land rover warranty when they break. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 03:59 pm: |
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what i am saying is kinda what you are saying greg. REGARDLESS of what tricked out 4X4 you have and it remains in your driveway pristine then you are a tool. a stock D2 and a stock H2 are different from their inception. but once you hang all the bells and whistles off your D2 then you have set yourself up. not so with the H2. you have set yourself up once you buy it. it has the look, but does it have the attitude? that is what they are selling. not so with the D2 in my opinion unless you outfitted in such a way.
not that i use my truck every weekend for hardcore offroading, but i do what i can when i can without caring soooooo much about what might happen to it. i certainly take care in keeping it in good running order and looking somewhat decent.
i just don't care for the image that the H2 carries and then what the majority of the pumped up cupcakes that buy them do with them. i mean if you dig 'em just for the look of hoping it can do what it looks like it can then go for it. same goes for those with Rovers outfitted for a year long safari in africa, but do little more than drive to 7-11 to get a toasted bagel. tools.
sorry, but i am getting in one of those moods again. haha. there are plenty of RAV 4's out there that come with V neck crew sweaters with every purchase that can fulfill their needs.
then again who cares what anyone drives. just don't be a tool regardless.
another thing. it's not that this (H2) truck could not hang with some of the trucks on this board, but for how long could it hang? i have no idea, but these H2's sure 'look' to have that full of fluff thing going on. |
Mike Carino (Mikec)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:00 pm: |
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I have to laugh when I see an ad for the H2 and even the truck itself. I think of all the gullible people who will buy the truck because they associate the name with the original H1. maybe it is just me, but I have always purchased a vehicle because I knew what I wanted to do with it and it better be able to do it. The Land Rover speaks for itself.
Buying an H2 is like owning a football team and hiring Jerry Rice with Stilletto heels!! |
EVAN
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:04 pm: |
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To Mr. Ho ,
The nick name came first . My kids call me big fat daddy kidding around . (well they may not be kidding as I take up a bit more room than most)The shorts (they're not really boxers) where a gift from my kids (the ex wife bought them I'm sure)a few Xmas's ago . I believe they where merchandised from the Adam Sandler movie "Big Daddy" . It was actually Garrett who began calling me the big daddy on this board . He had heard my son call me big fat daddy and used it as a playful jab... OK with me
Would you prefer I use my real name? |
muskyman
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:05 pm: |
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oh ya wanna know why its stuck?
because when your in 2wd and get stuck you cant engage 4wd!!!!
now how stupid is that...the damn truck needs to drive 25 yards or so for the front axle to ingage.
I wonder if they fixed that shortcomming yet? |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:11 pm: |
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H2 hang with just about anyone on this board? Maybe... as long as that 130" wheelbase doesn't get in the way. ;)
FWIW, I have a buddy who's company bid on some parts a few years ago for the H2. The price points they wanted for parts was so low that I would be very impressed if the thing can hold back rain from getting inside the vehicle while parked. Only a couple of years in service will tell. Also give the price points, GM is making a killing on the H2. My guess is they won't care if this is the only run for the vehicle. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:15 pm: |
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yes greg my 1994 rover is built better then that Suburban in my pic...100%
I have owned lots of 4x4 and been around almost everykind at one time or other and I have to say I have yet to see a truck that has as balenced and correct of build as a D1.(gwagons are close but to$$$$)
i have only driven an H2 for 15min and was getting my friend nervouse so I cant tell you long term .
but side by side a brand new Disco and a brand new H2 I take the Disco eveyrtime.
just look at pauls pic above. that panhard rod takes all the load when a truck slides sidways into an obstruction. and they make it out shit.
these H2 are all illusion and they have sucked you in ! |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:17 pm: |
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It's that damn new car smell Musky.... |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:17 pm: |
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Well, Musky, lets see how I can respond to this. Our on going conversation over what makes the GM product keeps changing, but lets see. In a real pickle, my 2001 LR Disco2 is truly a fully open diff. vehicle, so at best it is a one wheel drive with a screwy computer positraction sort of thing going on. If you put a landrover in a situation, where it can't get traction, it will get stuck too, so to comment on the Suburban, your right, the 4x4 not engaging for a few feet may be a short comming, however, put the H2 in that same spot with it's stock lockers and air supply and I bet it wouldn't be stuck.
The suburban vs. the disco comments were directed at durability, not at off roading prowess, as it is obvious that a long wheel base suburban is not going to be able to do everything a disco can. However, in my opion, this stuck truck is driver error, as the driver should have known his vehicle and its limitations and anticipated the need to be in 4 wheel drive already. Just because rovers are full time 4x4, doesn't mean you can ignore proper 4x4 engagement on non rovers.
To everyone above, the H2 is not really a heavy duty pulling truck for huge boats, any more than your land rover disco is. Yes, it could probably pull a boat from time to time, but is it going to effect the wear? sure it is.
Lets get beyond the fact that its not an H1. Lets try to look at the truck for what it is. Not look for all the reasons that it may be less than our land rover, or how we can associate it to our old suburban because they are both made by the same company. I think the truck looks quite capable, right off teh showroom floor. If people buy it, or a $80k land rover, and dont' take them off road, so what, it doesn't make them a "tool". The looks of a car are sometimes what sells them. I mean, look at all the thousands of different cars out there. Most will get you from point a to point b, but people still spend $40k on a car, when an $11k saturn in plain colors will do the same. Why is a 4x4 any different if someone wants to buy a car based on looks? Hell, even I'm guilty of this for making fun of the jeep liberty commercials. |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:21 pm: |
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man, disco2 vs a H2... tough choice. i think i'd go for the H2. at least has CDL. LOL LOL
evan, whichever name you use, just stay away from gp. he's bad influence. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:25 pm: |
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don't hate me because i am beautiful Ho. embrace it.
sorry. off subject.
the H2 is a glorified Aztek!! end of story.
greg. correct....you have seen my point. you are a tool!! haha. so am i though. |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:25 pm: |
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H2 redefines the term "glorified" |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:31 pm: |
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The looks of a car are sometimes what sells them. I mean, look at all the thousands of different cars out there. Most will get you from point a to point b, but people still spend $40k on a car, when an $11k saturn in plain colors will do the same.
hmmm.... I wonder how many Porsche 911's would be on the street if they had 4 cyl diesel VW engines under the hood and vinyl (ala fake leather)interiors to cut costs a little. Who needs a car that drives over 75mph anyway? |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:31 pm: |
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Hmmmm.....webiste called Discoweb......people like Discos and don't seem to want other vehicles....hmmmm.....
Maybe check out hummerweb.org for people who really like hummers (although that site probably gets you in trouble at work)
pwc |
muskyman
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:32 pm: |
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Greg,
well I agree with parts of that, thats why I say go bling bling all you want on the new rover because its got nothing to do with offroad.
but see the H2 isnt bling bling its fake.
and fake for real prices makes me wanna speak up and spout what I think
and I think you can do way better for your money ,Hell you can do better for half the money then the H2 |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:33 pm: |
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Peter, FWIW, I'll take a SWB G-Wagen over the current Disco any day. |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:40 pm: |
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Al, I'll take any car you want to give me for free and pay for insurance (as long as it runs).
It's just like my favorite type of beer: free.
I'm cheap that way.
pwc |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:40 pm: |
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See, at least I got some people talking. I've been bored all day, and now I have something to do.
Damn, it's almost time to go home too. Guess that's a good thing. I get to go drive my H2......... uh...... oops........ I mean D2. |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:43 pm: |
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i guess H2 will never be like the original hummer?
hmm, does the same apply to D2? |
muskyman
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:47 pm: |
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"It's that damn new car smell Musky...."
paul, your so right it gets me everytime |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:48 pm: |
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So Parrish , I gotta ask , what do you know about either the truck you or driving or the H-2 ? OR the H-1 for that matter ? How about cars and mechanics in general ? I see alot of comments made by you on both of the trucks here and nothing behind them. Simply that you like the look...
How bout IFS ? Suspention in general ? I am not talking about what GMs marketing department put out there for you to read. I wanna know what you know about this topic you seem to be posting so damn much in..
Kyle |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:51 pm: |
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yeah Ho, they should stick to making every model year exactly the same, just like McDonalds burgers.
pwc |
muskyman
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:54 pm: |
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"i guess H2 will never be like the original hummer?
hmm, does the same apply to D2?"
and ho Hijacks the thread!
well its yet to be seen but the fact they went to booted front cv's and no CDL makes me think they may have gotten off track ? |
muskyman
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 04:58 pm: |
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"i kinda dig the H2s.
"what is the biggest tire i can fit under the H2 without lift?"
35s??? LOL "
actually I think 37" but you need to space out the rear fender. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 05:00 pm: |
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Ho took the easy target . Its EXACTLY like the D1 and D2 comparison....
Kyle |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 05:02 pm: |
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actually, the big mac doesn't taste the same.
37??? "will the stock shafts be able to handle the tires?" |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 05:02 pm: |
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LOL.......... Well, I'm not an auto mechanic Kyle, if that's what you are asking. My main goal was to get people talking on Dweb today, which I think I accomplished, but I do think that everyone gives non rovers a bad rap on this site. I understand the love people have for their car, but there seems to be a lot of closed mindedness about other possibilites. I mean, there are alternatives to Land Rover for off roading. We all like to make fun of them, and I guess it makes us feel better. Time will tell on the H2, but if you want to talk about longevity, durability and overall make up of the car, I can get an H2 to last as long as any rover, if I do half as much service on it as most rover owners do on their rover.
Look how many people are always posting about breaking shit. Now, maybe it's because they do "extreme" off roading. Does that mean they drove 400 miles without touching pavement? Usually not. Usually it means a bunch of guys got together to measure their man hood with a big, steep, slippery mud bank. Usually the mud bank wins too.
Could someone have taken a non rover product to MAR or any other rover event and not faired as well. Sure. Could someone have taken a non rover event to MAR and out performed most of the rovers. Sure, I think they did. I can think of a very well equiped Jeep wrangler that did fine and to my knowledge didn't suffer any damage. However, there were lots of folks that broke their axles, diffs, or what ever.
I guess I just don't get why everyone on Dweb seems so quick to put down the H2 product. |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 05:08 pm: |
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honestly, i think the H2 would have kicked some ass at MAR. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 05:11 pm: |
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Well I think you are mixing it up with a few folks that know alot more about the subject then you. As far as your statement about getting the hummer to last as long with half the shit. What do you base that statement on ?
There are also many folks that ended up in a Rover (Like myself). There is a reason for that. There are two groups. People that "started" in a rover and people that "ended up" in one. The ones that "started off" in one have an attitude like yourself because they havnt tasted the bullshit other makes bring along with them. The ones that "ended up" in a Rover did so for a reason. The reason is one you wont understand until you have eaten enough of the bullshit....
Hell , you drive a DII , I know damn well the H-2 will kick its ass....
Kyle |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 05:12 pm: |
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You bringing MAR into the thread is very telling. Its kinda sad that its the only yard stick you have from which to measure.
Kyle |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 05:14 pm: |
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yard stick?
greg davis, calling greg davis, we need a real yard stick. |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 05:15 pm: |
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Greg,
H2's are ugly, that's why. H1= broad chisled features, much like my perfect 6pack abs and bulging biceps. H2= rounded corners and softness, much like the girlymen who read poetry and sip lattes.
you're starting to remind me of this guy...
http://www.onion.com/onion3843/modern-day_proust.html
pwc
PS Ho, BigMacs taste the same as the others. It's just a regular burger with a tomatoe roof rack and pickly sliders. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 05:18 pm: |
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ho your killing me here |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 05:27 pm: |
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Well, Kyle, I could have said any number of events or outings. The point has nothing to do with MAR itself, it was simply an example. When are you going to get off the MAR high horse. You know, as much as you don't like it, there will be a few hundred trucks worth of people down there again next year, and lots of them will be drinking. Deal with it.
Regarding the H2, and the Rubicon for that matter, would it make everyone happy if I just rolled into the rover brain wash and said they couldn't be better, because I bought a rover to be my last vehicle? Just because you did your home work before buying your current truck, doesn't mean that things won't ever change. No, I'm saying that the H2 is better with this particular comment, just responding to your Last Truck comment. Hell, my grandfather just bought his last car too, if that makes you feel better. It was an oldsmobile I think. Does that mean that I just don't get oldsmobiles now either? |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 05:32 pm: |
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greg, go home, you sound like you are babbling!
get some beer and relax. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 05:33 pm: |
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Greg , address your statements. Dont go off on tangients about irrelivant shit. And no , it would make me quite happy to see you get that H-2 and then tell us about how nice it is after you have some experience with it.
You obviously didnt understand a god damn thing my post said. but then again. With the argument you are making here , YOU WOULDNT!!!!
Kyle |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 05:35 pm: |
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Yeah , some beers..... And make that Homer simpson sound..... I like it when the boozers do that.....
Kyle |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 05:41 pm: |
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So Ho, what do you think is more cute? The H2 or Gregs D2? |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 05:43 pm: |
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Cmon Al , thats no contest. How many pics have we seen of those tires propped up against the fork lift dominator ? And with cute little kids no less!!!!! Greg wins that hands down....
Kyle |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 05:45 pm: |
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Greg,
What do you REALLY want to drive? Now go find a way to buy one, buy it, and don't look back. Then find a website to figure out how to fix it.
pwc
PS If you don't tell people what you like or want, they can't pick on you. I personally like making concrete stepping stones. |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 05:52 pm: |
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hmm, peter, go home for some beer, you babbling too. |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 05:54 pm: |
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I'm babbling??? You're babbling. Just with less words. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 05:55 pm: |
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Hmmm , that was kinda like "I know you are but what am I???"
Kyle |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 06:01 pm: |
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That seems to be the way many agruements go here.
pwc
PS I'm actually rubber, and you.....you're most defintely glue.
PPS It's only 3:13pm here and no beer to be found. |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 06:13 pm: |
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peter your attempt at being funny was flattering, but now that i'm home from work i think i can take over you an go try to change that fan belt that confused you , BTW we all know that's you in the picture.
currently 2" inches of snow and falling fast , yay!
rd |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 06:19 pm: |
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"I'm babbling??? You're babbling. Just with less words. "
Thats pretty damn funny, Peter.
I just got home. No beer though. I'm not buying an H2, I'm keeping my D2. I just enjoyed the chatter while at work being bored.
My posts tend to keep everybody stirred up I guess. Just think though, I did it here without even putting a picture in this thread.
Good night to all and to all a good night. |
chu
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 06:21 pm: |
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There you guys go again, pickin on poor D2s...
Big bullies! |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 06:28 pm: |
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Chu?? Shuddup , atleast we didnt pick on Asians.... Have we done that yet ???
Kyle |
chu
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 06:34 pm: |
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I'm just the whole package here ain't I? Asian D2 owner. Great... Know of any good holes to crawl into?
chu |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 06:36 pm: |
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LOL
Kyle |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 06:47 pm: |
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Rob, thanks for the relief. i'm actually trying to figure out how to get the stock springs and shocks back on this truck. I don't need the beefed up suspension now that I sold the ARB, winch, rack, locker and all those frigin' skid plates and dif guards. I learned from dweb that everything I had on there was really just crap.
pwc
PS I can see glaciers from my window at work, does that count??
PPS, Oh yeah, 2 inches of snow in PA. That reminds of my biggest bitch about renting cars. Last Jan. we rented a Chevy Blazer while visiting family in Manheim because I thought "winter....PA....might snow" Sure enough it did snow good while we were there. It's then I figured out the friggin' "Trailblazer" was a ***2 WHEEL DRIVE PIECE OF SHIT****. I ended up parking it for 3 days because it was useless compared to my in-laws 4wd. Who would make a 2WD Blazer??? Useless. |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 06:50 pm: |
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hmmmm...interesting line of demarcation Kyle.
So who here started in a Rover and who here ended up in one?
P.S. admit it Kyle - you think that the H2 "looks" like it's a badass rig too |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 06:54 pm: |
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LOL rookie mistake. with the blazer.
oh and if you need some stock srings i hav a set for the disco and the range rover i sell cheap ;)
is "manheim" home of mannheim steamroller my all time favorite band?
rd |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 06:55 pm: |
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Oh I dont think it looks bad ass , I think it IS bad ass and its definately a nice Suburban.
That was not my argument with Greg though , now was it ??
Kyle |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 06:59 pm: |
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No, I think your argument with me was nothing to do with "bad ass". I think you were calling me "dumb ass".
gp |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 07:05 pm: |
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well, the H2 has lockers stock, a brush guard, recovery points, and bigwheels and the brochure shows it offroading so it must be a fully capable wheeler. I mean, how could one not be impressed by this (pic lifted from EE):
I just want someone I know to buy one so I can play with it... |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 07:10 pm: |
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Blue,
I started out with a Dodge and after 2 years of MOPAR quality (lack there of), I went looking for something else. Hell, I even went and looked at the Xterra and the 4Runner. I couldn't fit in either one, so I bought the Pig. Now, that H2 that I sat in: Wow that was plush!
Paul
'00 Pig |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 07:11 pm: |
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YEahhh!!!! Beer!!!!
pwc |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 07:12 pm: |
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Hey Paul...........
Thanks for the hot pockets.....
gp |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 07:14 pm: |
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you got 2" already whitey? damn. stop measuring it with your dick rob!! it will only get smaller.
i think kyle would look cute in an H2. maybe when they make a convertible H2 he will get one. his hair blowing in the air......i can see it now. quite sexy.
as i get older i like cars/trucks with fewer and fewer switches. well except for lights. that damn H2 just has too much going on in the inside and outside. sure the typical H2 owner has the same attitude about their *car* as does the typical D2 owner. when the washer fluid gets low they pull over to the next full service station.
soon enough we will see some forums with tricked out H2's and all that. the proof will be in the pudin'. i just think they are gimiky like an Aztek and i am sticking to my story. once i see them on some trails acting civilized i might change my tune some day. |
Snowman
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 07:15 pm: |
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It is Woody Allen, I believe, who once said, "Making predictions is a very difficult task, especially regarding the future.” I am agreeing with him and waiting to see how the H2 does after a year or so and then I will form an opinion. Although I do hate to see another big 4x4 just for going shopping but to each his own. |
Ron
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 07:19 pm: |
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Rovers are complete and total crap. Anyone who tells you otherwise is full of it. BUT the beauty of a rover is that you can beat the living snot out of it and it will generally get you home. The suspension, trans, t-case, axles, chassis are all way stouter than they have any right to be. But the cost is that you have a 5000lb vehicle that a 1961 buick V8 has to push around and an electrical and engine management system (CUX and GEMS, bosch is mediocre) that is complete and total POS.
Now my family has a sub just like the one musky posted above which now has about 140k on it. It tows, hauls, and is a small block and the little trans and you know what . . . there has been nearly zero problems and all it gets are oil changes every 3k. Now take for comparison a similar Rover. Half as many miles on it and it has had more NEW problems in the last MONTH than the sub has had in 5 years and it has had every service. And the sub gets way better gas mileage and runs on 87. So if anyone has a 96 sub to trade on my 96 disco shoot me an email and I am willing to bet that the H2 fairs much better than the D2 in a few years. |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 07:21 pm: |
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From the dealer’s 2003 H2 brochure:
Quote:2003 Hummer H2: NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN
The hour is finally at hand. HUMMER has introduced the long-awaited H2, expanding its product offerings and making the brand accessible to more buyers with a slightly scaled down, more civilized version of the H1 that’s every bit as rugged and every inch a HUMMER.
Its design is extremely daring and attention getting. It’s instantly recognizable as belonging to a highly exclusive brand, at the top of its class in off-road performance. Its look and feel conveys the sense of power, authority and complete control that these buyers seek.
“In practical terms, the rugged individualist will be more likely to take it off-road and exploit all capabilities,” says Marc Hernandez, H2 marketing director. “The successful achiever is more likely to drive it on-road as a symbol of his daring and success.”
Well, that's from the horses mouth. Sums it up pretty well I think. One thing, though....does the Mayor of Truckville know that there's a new sheriff in town? |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 07:22 pm: |
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garret, looks like it is getting near 4" already!!!!
see below |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 07:25 pm: |
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Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 07:28 pm: |
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Now Rons perspective I really like. Now lets take the Sub and abuse it. And I aint talking about the fucking MAR Ron or the dirt road Safari. I am talking about everything it does now and then the harsh duty of bouncing it off of shit a few thousand miles from home. Limping up and down mountins hitting on a few cylinders in the worst conditions possible for a vehicle. Then driving your ass back home and doing it again and again...
Two differnt vehicles good at two different things.... Although , you can sweep the Sub up with a broom and a dust pan in a few years....
Kyle |
GregH
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 07:37 pm: |
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I hope they sell a TON of H2's and DaimlerChrysler stops limited production of Wrangler Rubicons-why? Because they are the only vehicles being sold that at least market themselves to be for offroad use (I do not count those Xterra ads) and if successful will maybe convince Ford/LR to figure out how to bring back a decent D90 or D110 or reconfigure Disco with short rear overhang and decontented version for offroad (I've lost hope on the Range Rover). I do not want a dII.
Al-I agree about the SWB G-wagen-but you can only buy the LWB at MB. BTW-go to www.copleymotorcars.com and look at that green '85 280GE 3 door
w/ 24.5K miles for $23.5!
My 2 cents-
GregH |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 07:43 pm: |
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"Rovers are complete and total crap. Anyone who tells you otherwise is full of it."
I hope this is not the Ron I know that works at Land Rover Mainline and owns like 6(?) Rovers. Because an employee at a Rover Dealership would never boast such hate. Is this you Ron?
Paul
'00 Pig |
Ron
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 07:47 pm: |
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My disco which we are comparing to the sub lead about as pampered a life as a disco can and it is still falling apart (note this is my disco not my wife's).
Rovers are crap but they can take the abuse. Sub is not crap but it is not stout enough to handle serious abuse offroad (now on road that sub has seen more time at 80mph in second gear with 6k on the hitch than you would believe).
You just have to accept the fact rovers are crap, then move on. Reliable is boring.
Ron |
Ron
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 08:02 pm: |
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Paul, I decline to answer on the grounds that it may incriminate me.
Its not hate, its love. You just have to accept the crap aspect to get to the love aspect. What other vehicle can survive and perform like a rover? Nothing. What other vehicle can you hit a 2ft rock at 25mph and all you have to do is straiten a wheel? What other vehicle can you skid over a three foot log and drive out on the other side? What other vehicle can you use the front bumper (aftermarket) as a ram to bouce off of trees and not tweak the frame? What other vehicle can drive 700 miles in 90+ degree heat towing 3500lbs on 6 cylinders due to a blown head gasket and not overheat? What other vehicle can you cook the trans, then just change the fluid and drive off? What other vehicle can the T-case eat a bolt and still function?
For all this joy I have to accept the fact that my cruise will almost never work, my radio reads in syrillic, I will have to continually feed it ABS harnesses if I want my ABS to work, and along with the score of other common disco I issues that are posted over and over again on this site based on everyone elses' experieinces all I have to look forward to a valve job and a new trans any day now. But do I love it. Of course or else I would have a suburban!
Ron |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 08:12 pm: |
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Now this I really love ! Ole Ron here is working at the LR dealer and is surrounded by LRs but he still doesnt get it.
The facts here are that Ron hasnt had either vehicle off road for any long periods of time over many miles or years. He goes to the MAR and the Dirt road safari and from that he draws his conclusions. I bet the Sub would fair pretty well in those enviroments...
Apparently Ron hasnt had to weld many of those rear covers up after the cross shaft came peeking out of that rear in the Sub (Light use)?
I am at 160K Ron and one of my trips has included more off road travel then all of your little trips combined. You (Like Greg) are making statemnts blindly.....
Whats really funny is that someone needed to tell the LR marketing team that the damn things just werent any good in the arena that they were trying to market them. You can fit alot of kids in there but man O man it just doesnt accel on the road (Litterally). The DII ofcourse was better in the market they are trying to capture but we all know what got sacrificed for that.
I noticed in your profile Ron that you are 23 and you are a self proclaimed "Rover whisperer"?? Is that what they call the kids at the parts counter these days ?
Go somewhere , "use" the truck , and then make your statements.....
Kyle |
Ken Tipton (Irish_Nv)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 08:24 pm: |
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Just curious where the picture of the BLING BLING h2 came from. I was driving home on I15 in california by barstowe about 2 weeks ago and saw one just like that one on a trailer. Everything was chrome I would image it would be the same one as there can't be 2 idiots that have the same offroad prowless and affection for all things shiny. |
the Big Daddy
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 08:31 pm: |
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I'm feeling the love ...just the love..
"make it happen , captain"
Is that green RRC running yet?
So no one is curious
Evan |
Greg Hirst (Gregh)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 08:32 pm: |
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LR's not trying to market vehicles towards offroad crowd-they're marketing to pregnant ladies who want to go to the beach and yuppie couples who pick up stray dogs on the freeway...
Are they trying to tell us something?
I personally haven't seen a TV ad for Rubicon but they've got plenty of deposits on them at my local Jeep dealership!
GregH |
John Lee
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 08:34 pm: |
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I have to agree with Kyle. I've never met Ron, but I just can't believe he has six wrecked Land Rovers when the only wheeling he seems to do is go to MAR and other similar events. Those comments like "you can beat the snot out of a Rover" or "you can ram into trees with the bumper" are very telling. That's why every one of Ron's trucks is barely running or not running at all. And again, it's not as if Ron is doing the Hammers every weekend. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 08:50 pm: |
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well that suburban pictured above has been to utah 2 times both times pulling a jeep on a tow bar. it only made the trip once complete under its own power the other time it gave up the •••••• in west iowa on the way home.and thats with a huge •••••• cooler on it to boot.
it also blew up a sprague gear after a weekend at sliver lake sand dunes.and has had a few other offroad related failures.
your right kyle about street vs off road it is always after the offroad trips it pukes a major component. but thats why disco's rule they go from trail to road to trail to road like it no big deal.if all the suburban needed to do was 80mph on the highway it might be ok.but just to do casual trips on easy stuff like teapot canyon and it throws in the towel?
now this isnt a neglected truck either, it gets constant and 100% of what any rover ever gets as far as preventative maintenance if not more. the owner is the most anal guy I know.
it just gets used hard all the time...it is on its 4th set of tires at around 160k i wont call it crap but it does fail to get you home from time to time. |
Ron
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 09:53 pm: |
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Well you said it yourselves, you have not met me and you don't know me. So like the rest of the crap you put out you are talking about shit you know nothing about.
Ron
PS the 10 bolt does not have a POS gov lock so it should be fine for a bit longer |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 10:20 pm: |
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Good to see that the 60's love fest is still going strong.. |
KJ
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 12:17 am: |
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I blame Paul. We need a new car smell intervention to put things right......
Karen, "Sopranos" fan |
Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 12:45 am: |
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Man, why is the D2 the redheaded stepchild of rovernation??? When will the hate end???
-Chris
P.S. - I might go wheeling with an H2 this Friday. I will add comments... I am a D2 offroad performance driver so keep that in mind. |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 12:58 am: |
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I have to agree with the new car smell alure....I even liked my wife's minivan when it was new and had that lovely aroma. For a moment there....I too wanted a minivan. But then I figured Rob's smelly old Rover would do. How many inches you up to now Rob?
pwc |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 07:23 am: |
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Well if thats the case Ron then prove any of us wrong..... Shouldnt be difficult....
Kyle |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 07:25 am: |
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Glad I could help Karen  |
Rover Junkie
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 08:18 am: |
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DIIs are nice, my little sister drives one. H2s are cool, P. Diddy drives one in his new video. Word to your collective mama's....DEFENDER. |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 08:23 am: |
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Good morning all. Hopefully the entertaining chatter will continue throughout today as well.
gp |
John Cinquegrana (Johnc)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 09:01 am: |
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The Jeep at MAR: I guess you are talking about the Jeep that went thru a 2 inch deep body of water at 40 mph screaming "Yeahhhh" .... Is that the Jeep your talking about? I can assure you that a stock Jeep could handle most of the obstacles at MAR only because they weigh half of what our trucks weigh. I can assure you that if there were more rocks (large ones) the Jeeper would have snapped an axle (only because he had a heavy foot)...
Make no mistake about it (uh oh, I sound like W know) LR parts are stronger than any SUV out there, at least on RRs, I don't know about the components on the POS Discos...
I don't know anything about the H2s other than I don't like the appearance. |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 09:04 am: |
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And the love fest continues..... |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 09:10 am: |
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I'm not sure how the jeep was driving. I do think he had just put a new set of dana's on it though. |
John Cinquegrana (Johnc)
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Slow day today, everyone stayed home because of the 1/4" snow we got...bunch of wimps. LETS GO WHEELIN' |
John Cinquegrana (Johnc)
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The Jeep was nicely setup. Was the driver a young fellow? I only saw him driving at night and heard him screaming...oh wait, or was that Big Daddy screaming??? |
Rans (Rans)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 09:17 am: |
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"POS Discos" John??? Hopefully you won't need a tug out of anything when we're out wheeling at Ringwood or anywhere.... |
the Big Daddy
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 09:20 am: |
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Stiring & stiring & stiring,
I think it was Garrett you heard , my ear is still ringing |
John Cinquegrana (Johnc)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 09:32 am: |
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Trying to stir things up here... |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 09:35 am: |
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oh evan. don't flatter yourself. it wasn't that good. |
KJ
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 09:35 am: |
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My reform school kid can beat up your honor roll kid.
Karen :P |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 09:38 am: |
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John, the jeep I'm talking about belonged to a friend in Delaware. He is Jason Johnson's brother, although I'm not sure he lurks on the board. The jeep was really awesome as far as how it was setup. Don't remember what model it was, but I'm thinking it was an older CJ5 or CJ7.
gp |
Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 09:53 am: |
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I just want to know how the hell I got pulled into this? Damn Ho, you don't forget anything, do you? And please, leave the poor DII's out of this. They didn't ask to be brought into this world! |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 10:04 am: |
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Love... exciting and new,
Come aboard,
We're expecting you-
And love, life's sweetest reward,
Let it float.
It floats back to you-
The Love Boat,
Soon we'll be making another run.
The Love Boat,
Promises something for everyone-.
Set a course for adventure,
Your mind on a new ro-mance.
And love... won't hurt anymore,
It's an open smile, on a friendly shore.
It's love-, welcome aboard it's lo-o-ove. |
John Cinquegrana (Johnc)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 10:05 am: |
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Jason Johnson? Ricco Suave guy....oh damn...gotta meet this guy.
I thought the Jeep was a TJ (square lights)... I must be confused |
the Big Daddy
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 10:13 am: |
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Garrett , Shhhhhhhh , now all the fellas are going to want to sleep with us .I guess we could call that the H-3sum ????? |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 10:13 am: |
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it's jasons brother. you are right john. it is a TJ Wragggggggggler. red in color with big honking tires. he will be making the switch to Rovers sometime in the future. he knows this, but has had a hard time fighting the Force.
kyle has seen the truck. he gave him a yank last year at an event with sticks when the jeep busted a shaft.
evan has issues. i have no idea who this man is. |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 10:14 am: |
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Maybe it was. Don't recall for sure. Don't know why I'm thinking it was an older one. I just remember that he got there late because he was installing a couple of new Dana's (My mind is telling me 38's for some reason).
Anyway, Jason could tell you more about it if he chimes in. |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 10:15 am: |
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You mean Kyle attended an event? |
John Cinquegrana (Johnc)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 10:45 am: |
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Yeah, take a look at the Robesonia pics in the Trails/Events... |
the Big Daddy
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 11:02 am: |
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Kyle didn't get there til the afternoon , I think he got lost .
Garrett , I don't care what you say. You're so damn cute in Carharts!
Its all about the love, right ?
I'd be curious to see what the H-2 could do in the trials at Robesonia. |
John Lee
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 11:03 am: |
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"You don't know me."
Is this the classic defense of the moron? This is just about as meaningful as "Hey, you can't say that about me. I work." Both are classic defenses proffered on the Jerry Springer Show, so you're in good company.
No, I don't know you personally. But I know enough. You have multiple Rovers, none of which works. The only times I hear you talk about offroading is when some kind of east coast event is coming up or has just passed. Most of your talk about that event is what you broke at the same event. When someone asks why you own a Land Rover, your response is typically "because I can beat the snot out of it" or "I can push trees with my front bumper". Everything you have touched has broken. You seem to have the Midas touch, but in reverse. You used to rave about your Husky 8 until you broke it, and then "Superwinch" became "Stupidwinch". And you brag about what you have broken, as if it were something to be proud of. |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 11:57 am: |
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Damn, dripping with holiday cheer and love around here..
I got an idea, how about every one here talk shit about every one else till every one gets pissed off to the point that no one wants to even look at this web site. Then at least Kyle, Axle, and Ho can save some money every month and shut this site down. That seems to be the direction that it is going anyways so why don't you all just speed the process up a little. |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 12:22 pm: |
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john i dont know if you are interested but there is a wonderful graham nash (hollies) song called kind midas in reverse.
he's king midas with a curse, he's king midus with a curse |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 12:44 pm: |
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Funny that Robesonia came up. I went for a couple of reasons , one was the hill climb thing that Ron had been going on about with Dean. So I went and Ron broke down and didnt make it. Very telling I think in this thread....lol
Kyle |
John Lee
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 12:44 pm: |
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"I'm not the guy to run with
'Cos I'll throw you off the line
I'll break you and destroy you
Given time"
"He's not the one to hold your trust
Everything around him turns to dust"
How fitting. King Midas In Reverse. Sadim? |
Rick Lindgren (Slacker)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 01:21 pm: |
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Ok. Let's not get distracted here. You can hate whoever you want and drive whatever you want but the bottom line is, the H2 is butt ugly. Let's not wander off on tangents about who can/can't spell, Ho and Greg's "yard stick", or whether or not Kyle can find his way to an event. It's almost Thanksgiving. Save your hatred and spite for your family.
Once again, the H2 is ugly and that's all that matters. The stock one looks like a mini-van with testosterone sprayed all over it to fool your underlying animal senses into thinking it is the next best thing to sex. The lifted one shown on EE reminds me of those lifted vans that were so cool in the '70s except they had the commen sense to use less chrome.
If you have to drive ugly but "X-treme" vehicles drive one that is actually designed to do the job not just hyped to do the job. I'm not saying that the H2 isn't capable, just that it can't possibly live up to the hype factor.
http://www.maximog.com/
Did I mention the chrome? Man that's ugly.
Rick |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 04:24 pm: |
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Well,
I guess it's my turn...
You know what's funny? I almost bought an H1. It was a silver 1996 hard top double cab. I test dorve it a few times and liked it ok. Since then, I have driven the military models on road and off, to get a better feel for their capabilities.
I wasn't satisfied at all with the results for my purposes. Even the relatively new ones, with only 15k miles on the clock had problems. Now we keep our vehicles up and running very well, with oil analyzation, frequent changes, and careful driving. They are not at all reliable. The long wheelbase is a serious hinderance, and the suspension bits arent up to hard wheeling.
To counter this, at 22000 miles on my disco, she was doing fine. I wheel her hard. 5 feet of air on jumps (yes, I smack my head against the roof every time), sliding backwards down the wrong side of a hill (yes I am dyslexic) and being polevaulted over a boulder by my exhaust system, and even noseing down in a ditch when the ground gave way (with enough force that an entire rock was pulverized by my center crossmember.
I know for a fact, that I wouldn't have that H1 anymore after all that, I've seen it happen for real. The Disco still takes those right angle turns at 35mph, and still cruises effortlessly at 90mph.
Who really thinks that plastic ass H2 can hang?
Cheers,
Kennith
(on behalf of Misty) |
adtoolco
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 04:29 pm: |
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Wait until I bobtail my D2...than I'll shows ya' a yardstick. Take that you haters!!!! Oh yea, the H2 is a cool looking van for suburban "tough guys" and the chicks that dig them. But can they "wheel"? I will know soon enough.
-Chris |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 04:40 pm: |
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Quote:The lifted one shown on EE reminds me of those lifted vans that were so cool in the '70s except they had the commen sense to use less chrome.
now that was funny |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 10:21 pm: |
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i had the misfortune of having to buy another altenator. i purchased it at Land Rover of Dayton, nice guys, anyways on my ride there i saw teo H2s and two real hummers. all i can say is that the old hummer is a real truck the H2 is more like the gay cousin!
mike w |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 28, 2002 - 09:49 am: |
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i want one of those vans, with shag carpet and diamond windows.
for the record. i liked the aztec and i like the H2. i like the gimikie stuff as a concept and i really like it if it works and isn't junkie.
time will tell if the h2 is junky like the aztec showed
rd |
the Big Daddy
| | Posted on Thursday, November 28, 2002 - 09:27 pm: |
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Mr. Ho , Which gp ? Garrett or Greg ? I like them both in the special way:-) |
BW
| | Posted on Friday, November 29, 2002 - 04:20 pm: |
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I'll take on any H2 with this:
http://www.element.honda.com
. . . any day of the week and twice on Tuesday.
BW |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Friday, November 29, 2002 - 06:01 pm: |
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evan,
both of them
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M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Friday, November 29, 2002 - 07:15 pm: |
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as i sit here and bring my mind up to a higher level and enjoy the words placed upon my screen, i took the time to go to the Honda website and view its latest entry in the mini suv race. my wonderful loving wife walks by and after taking a quick glance at the screen stated "yuck". i believe that pretty much sums it up.
mike w |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 10:21 am: |
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rob you admitted to liking the Aztek. what....the black and gold steelers version? you are a hick!!! haha.
don't listen to Evan.....anyone. after that David Haselhoff concert he has not been the same. |
Ross Thoma (Rossthoma)
| | Posted on Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 12:46 pm: |
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That new element sure has the angles of the H2
and it also looks rather "schoolbus"ish.
What ever hapened to the wind cheating slick designs, well yes I know that you loose your front pass corner with the sloping hood but you gain a broken dead lamp and realy, isn't it more enviro friendly to drive a curved brick wall rather than a flat one
The success of the H2 is very aparent in the design of this CAR. I personaly think they should have stoped at the Pathfinder and stuck to cars
RT
P.S. I wonder if the back window reads "Kick Ass AWD" instead of "Real Time AWD" |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 07:00 pm: |
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1873464479 |
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