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Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 03:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

So I'm driving along when I find myself behind a "souped up" Honda civic, dual exhaust set up with some big-ass coffee can ends but get this: ONLY ONE OF THE PIPES HAS EXHAUST COMING OUT!!!!!! He had a fake dual exhaust system.

It gets better though: a stop light turns red so we start slowing down, I pull up next to him and looks to be all of 12 years old so I motion for him to roll down the window, he does and I politely inform him that his left side exhaust pipe is broken, he just flips me off and turns up the Emenim -I felt like sticking a steel toe boot up his ass but instead I just laugh.

Now it gets even better: a minute or so later he starts reving up the 4 squirrels under the hood and looking over at me, lets keep in mind that the Disco is still in the shop so I am driving a rented full size chevy with a V8 so when the light turns green I throw away any shreds of maturity I have and floor the bitch, I beat him off the line and a few seconds later I have a very clear view of him in the rear-view.

Truly one of the funniest things I have been a part of in a while, thought you guys might enjoy it too. I know it was dumb but I just couldn't help myself. :)
 

Snowman
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 03:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Carter-
Absolutely classic! Thanks from all of us.

S-
 

Dana Giles (Dana_G)
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 03:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Way To Go :)

I'm all for people spending their hard earned bucks any way they want, but never could understand building up a Honda Civic. Buy a $3000 car, and spend $10,000 or more trying to make it into something it was never meant to be. Hell, spend $8000-$10,000 on an 88-91 Porsche 944, and a couple grand on restoration and you've got a hell of a set of wheels that'll kill any souped up Civic...not to mention they look a hell of a lot classier than those silly ricer Hondas.
 

Clif Ashley (Cta586)
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Great stuff man, thats hilarious.
 

chu
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 07:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

The chivy might have taken it, but i bet the disco woulda had a tuff time.
:)

Come on, why we comparing Porsches to Civics anyways???


chu
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

That isn't saying much, school busses beat my disco :)

Dana is comparing Porsches to Civics because morons like to buy Civics and dump TONS of money into them trying to make them fast and when it is all said and done they could have spent the same amount on a used Porsche and have a much faster car.
 

RVR OVR (Tom)
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 07:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Sounds like an arguement against fixing up your Disco in opposed to buying a Unimog. Live and let live, Carter.

Tom
 

Dana Giles (Dana_G)
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Tom,

That would be a stretch. Fixing up a Disco is making an offroad vehicle better at offroading. Ricing out a Civic is taking efficient, basic transportation (and they're quite good at it..a friend has a '92 with 330,000 miles, and very little spent on maintenance) and trying to make it into a race car. Like Carter said most of the people ricing out Civics are high school kids. I'm just wondering if any of them realize that for the money they are spending they could actually drive a really cool car. Perhaps I'm just out of touch with the youth of today, but in my day a Porsche was far more desirable than a Honda.
 

Downunderdisco
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 08:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Im all for live and let live, but in the case where common sense has clearly been thrown right out the window, sometimes you just have to take the piss where its clearly required.
Ive never understood building cars for show but no go anyway. Here in OZ they go even better.
Cant afford to lower your civic proffessionally? No problem! Simply fit shorter springs till your car rides 1" off the bump stops! Hey presto! Youve made a the mod thats actually designed to make your car handle better, but youve done it such a way that your car is now a danger cause it has no suspension!! Rice one! Clowns.
Roll on my new bull-bar.....
 

chu
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 10:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Well, the rice cars are just another example of something practical that turned into a fashion statement. I'm sure there was a guy who turned a civic into a great little track car, and along followed the flock who didn't care to be a racer, but just look and sound like one.

About the porsche-civic statement, how can you argue about dollar vs. price? We're talking civic vs porsche. You get a '91 civic vs. '91 944, i doubt you'll save money going with the porsche...
Besides, cars seem to be a form of expression. Like I say about Ferraris: Wish I could own one, but I just ain't cool enough to be seen wearing one! :)

chu
 

Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I hope I wasn't looked at in this light when I was in high school adding BBS rims and new tires to VW GTI's but then again the rims and tires improved performance and didn't just look cool like a fake tail pipe. Then again back in the 80's the Civic was just a good little car with REALLY good mileage and VERY cold A/C.
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Nobody ever said the cars were going to be the same age.
 

Bruce Mac Lennan (Bmac66)
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 11:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Get shorter springs?? are you crazy? maybe the rich GET shorter springs but everybody else gets out the hacksaw mate.
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

You know maybe I spoke to fast about the age thing. The amount of money some of these guys pump into the cars is ridiculous, I know someone who has around $15K in one (just mods not including the actual car) so I wouldn't be surprised if you could get a nice porsche for the price of a same model year civic (assuming it isn't much newer than '91) and that many mods (assuming YOU were going to shell out the money for the mods aren't buying the car with them installed). I mean really there reaches a point when you can't polish a turd and on top of everything else a real high performance car will handle performance mods (i.e. less breakage) a lot better than a commuter car. The difference between pumping a bunch of money into offroad mods for a disco and performance mods on a Civic is that the disco is made to be an offroad vehicle while the Civic is most definitely NOT made to be a performance car, hell if I could put as much money into my Disco as is in some of the riced out Hondas around town that thing would climb up walls.
 

Dana Giles (Dana_G)
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 11:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Chu,

I was comparing the overall cost of a riced out Civic to a 944. A restored 87 944s will set you back between 6k and 8k, and a 91 Turbo will run between 10 and 15k. By the time you mod a Civic you'll have spent more than the Porsche, and , having had the priviledge of playing with a 944 I can tell you it will smoke any non-nitro, non-turbo civic off the line, and lose even the best nos/turbo civics in a corner.

I LOVE Ferraris too...I think I'm cool enough to be seen in one (would love an early 80's 308) They aren't that expensive to procure, but they make Rovers look cheap to maintain.
 

Dana Giles (Dana_G)
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 11:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Interestingly enough (little thread hijack here...sorry Carter) A friend (who happens to be the one who owns the Porsche) is looking to buy a late 80's/early 90's Lotus, and into it he intends to drop.......drum roll please....ludicrous part coming up.......a Rover 4.0 V8. I thought he was completely looney, apparently it has been done before. He cites www.v8engine.com. I haven't checked it out yet. With a few thousand dollars in mods these engines will pump out 450hp. I can't wait to see how it comes out.
 

Dee
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 12:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Dana,

Chris at RPI " www.v8engine.com or www.rpiv8.com " is one in the same. He has done a few other wild V8 upgrades look on his site. I would love to do a V8 powdered MG but im too dam big to drive one...
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 12:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I've seen a TR6 with a chevy 350 in it before, very scary stuff.
 

chu
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 01:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

but you're still comparing civics to porsches. Come on, you're doing a disservice to the Porsche brand! :)

The truth is, there are civics that are very fast. I've seen them in high altitude run 11s and 12s. Some are embarrasing, incomplete works, but I gotta admit, I've seen some nice ones. Modifying cars in itself is a hobby, wouldn't you say? And to start with a porsche would be nice, but sometimes beyond the budget.

And yes, I would say it's just like pumping in big bucks to a disco. Making a disco climb a wall is probably as "Xtreeeme" as making a civic smoke a vette.
 

Mike Rupp (Mike_Rupp)
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 09:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Tom,

I have to disagree regarding your comment that souping up a Civic vs. buying a Porsche is like adding mods to a Discovery vs. buying a Unimog. If you are looking for a trailer rig, then you are correct. But if your intention is to have a daily driver that can travel long distances, carry heavy loads, and off-road well, then modifying a Disco makes sense. A Unimog is clearly not that vehicle.
 

RVR OVR (Tom)
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Mike,

Don't military forces utilize Unimogs to do just that?

Anyway, last night watching ESPN I saw Civic's pulling 150 mph/9.5 sec quarter miles on some sanctioned drag race competition and they drove their own vehicles cross country to compete.

I guess the Civics are doing the metaphoric job better than Rovers. Also, I don't think there is a Porche made that can do a sub-10 second quarter mile, definately not in the souped-up Civic price range.

Tom
 

Mike Rupp (Mike_Rupp)
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Unimogs and Discos are apples and oranges. Compare Unimogs and Discos in the same price range and try to drive the $8k Unimog cross country. In my last post I should have said "travel long distances in comfort".
 

RVR OVR (Tom)
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 12:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

What does it take for you to be comfortable? Change out the seat and istall a decent radio.

I really don't want to argue Unimog vs. Disco. The main point of my comments was that the rice rocket guys are no different from us. While we think the aluminum spoilers, fart pipes, and otherwise are all stupid, there are many folks who think a 2" lift, mud tires, and an ARB ruin an otherwise nice looking Disco.

Tom
 

Dana Giles (Dana_G)
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Tom,

You're absolutely right, and just like Chu said, it's a hobby. It's all about personal preference.

I dare say the 150mph/9.5sec Civics are the absolute cutting edge and probably more than $15k was spent to get them there. Probably the only Civic left on them are a few original body panels. Certainly a Porsche that will put up those numbers is going to cost you a serious wad of $$. For something used which will do that you're probably looking at shelling out at least $60k

Basically what I was saying with the Porsche bit is that for the average guy doing some mods on his Civic to improve performance and appearance, (ie not an actual serious racer) he could have started with a Porsche for realtively short money. This would be the path I would choose, but hey, I'm just me :)
 

muskyman
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 01:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

people can bang on the ricers all they like, but the truth is that these guys are right on the cutting edge and starting to dictate performance and stylin in stock vehicles.

these guys are no different then the guys building flat top fords back in the 50's. they are willing to do whatever it takes to get the power they want.

rover guys should learn from them not scorn them.

a rover guy says he wants more power then when someone tells him his ECU wont supply enough fuel they jump right to oh well I need a 5.7 chevy. What they should say is pitch the ECU and install a complete new engine managment system...thats what the ricers do.

as far as guys pretending to have a rocket and its stock?...thats just like the guys driving set up disco's that never or rarely go off road. no law against trying to look good in ones own eye.
 

RVR OVR (Tom)
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 01:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

i have to agree, musky. it completely blows my mind to see a front wheel peel out lead to a 150 mph quarter mile.

tom
 

muskyman
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

when the fast and the furious came out it got panned because "honda cant do that"

but they can, tom I'm with you I love fast cars and if somebody could make a hugo do 10sec quarters i'd tip my hat to them as well.
 

irish_nv
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 01:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I agree with people doing what they want to their cars in a effort produce a desired effect. ie. better performance better offroad ect. but to put a fake pipe on for looks is a little much. Thats like putting tin foil on your rocker panels and passing them off as rock sliders. YOU JUST DON'T DO IT.
 

RVR OVR (Tom)
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

true, but did you know that the fake dual comes from the factory from honda?

yep, my buddies CRX back in the 80's had one. i agree on the level of stupidity.

tom
 

Alan Yim (Alan)
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 02:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

LOL...that's like glueing a snorkle on...
 

Peter Carey (Pcarey)
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 03:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I like all these kids tricking out their cars. It's great for the economy. They end up like most other fads, in a scrap heap some day.

I think of it like a pyramid scheme. The trick is to get out before you lose everything. Think back to the great lowered trucks with "Slo 'N Lo" and "Lo N Behold" decals in the back window a good dozen years ago or more. Do you see any around much now? Nope. Not in fashion.
It was mostly high school kids who built them, and then sold them to other high school kids. Eventually they go out of fashion and something else comes along and the low-riders go to the scrapheap.

After the Honda fad goes away, I wonder what will be next?

pwc
 

Alan Yim (Alan)
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I also see lots of kids taking pickup trucks and lowering them and putting big tail pipes on them with low profile tires. Seems kinda silly to me but hey, whatever turns your crank.
 

RVR OVR (Tom)
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 11:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

In my tainted past a buddy of mine had a lowered Nissan pickup. About the only saving grace was the neon sign in the back and his license plate that both read "1HungLo".

Tom
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 11:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

A "friend" huh?...... :)
 

Peter Bullock (Downunderdisco)
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 04:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"Fast and The Furious" should have got panned! It were shite!
One hit of NOS in a run I can take but two in quick succession on a small motor running big Psi turbos? Hmmm...www.thatwouldmeltyourpistonstothebores.com I think.
If I have one trait that really annoys me its the unfailing and overwhelming desire to see car films, knowing full well Im just going to sit there and pick them to bits and come out dissapointed. Always do it though...
 

muskyman
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

go rent bullett and be happy ...thats all 100% real driving no cinama this and that


but also know your wrong...those guys really do lay on the nos every gear in the rice rides that are set up right. its not like they are using 400hp nos kits just as much as the little titanium rods and forged pistons can handle.


burst shift burst shift burst shift burst 10 sec quarter!
 

Kyle
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

When I used it Musky I was even known to give it a little shot in the burn out box from time to time... :) Mine is a cheater kit that I drilled the jets out on ...... NOS dont hurt nothing if you mix things right....

Kyle
 

Matt Milbrandt (95discovery)
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

It just pains me to think that in a few years when I go to the Wednesday night cruise-in it will be full of Civics and guys reminiscing about the one they had in high school.

Matt

PS Kyle, did you get an envelope from me??
 

muskyman
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I agree kyle on the mixing it right , the new systems are so fool proof that it is a really good way to get power.

rover solutions nos cheater system?...for when the disco needs to pick up the beat!:)
 

Kyle
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 05:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Yeah Mat it was there when I got home today. And yeah , things are all twisted with the Hondas and Neons and such. Even the little mustangs now dont quite have the beat that only cubic inches can make...
Musky , back in the late 80s I put together a 800 dollar windsor for that yellow mustang and got a big kit to see if we could destroy it. The damn thing ran 12.20s through the mufflers on street tires and christ I musta run half the NOS supply on the East coast through it and it never did self destruct. I started drilling the jets out to feed it more and more and never had an issue. I just always stayed real fat on the fuel...I dont think they are actually giving the rice rides more then just a sniff...

Kyle
 

Matt Milbrandt (95discovery)
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 06:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

There is no replacement for displacement.

Matt
 

muskyman
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 08:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"There is no replacement for displacement."

yep this is the truth...but you have to understand that 300cubes at 10000rpm displaces more then a 500cube big block at 5000

the days of building a bigger motor have changed building them small light and spinning them really fast is the new frontier and Nos and turbos are the tools being used to accomplish that.

kyle,12.20's on street tires is flying! woulda been tough to get that outa a bigblock at any pricetag on street tires. thats why the ricers can go so fast they arent trying to hookup huge loads of torque on the launch because they arent trying to launch a super heavy ride. I had a 69 mack 1 with a built 428 it ran 11.80's on slicks but couldent break 13sec on street tires because you couldent get it outa the hole. it just wanted to fishtale around with that boat anchor in the front.
 

Kyle
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 10:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Ahhhhh the 428..... There is nothing like the FE series Fords. They rev like a small block and had roughly 410 HP right off the show room floor. I managed 12 Os through the pipes on street tires with the 28 and no jug.... Tell me this thing dont sound like a small block revving...

www.roversolutions.com/track3.mpg :)

Kyle
 

muskyman
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 11:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

kyle,

mine came outa a 1968? cop car. it had a huge oval air cleaner on it that said "ford interceptor 2x4V 485hp" it had a dual 4 barrel stock!

i bought the whole car less body(seats still in it) from a neihbor for $300 after he decided it wouldent be such a good dune buggy afterall. It took me a month to get all the header bolts in and only changed the spark plugs a couple times because it was a 2 day affair every time.

i used to drive it around with the hood off I was so impressed with myself

...yes I was young

but that motor made that stang jump!

thom
 

Justin Day (Polytropoi61)
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

kind of mad maxish
cool
justin
 

Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

VeryNice This says it all
 

Dave Roberts
Posted on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 11:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I was talking with a ricer the other day in the parking lot of Best Buy. I asked him why he put all that money into a civic when he could have just bought a faster stock car (Mustang 5.0 Chevy Z28 ect) and added a few cosmetic changes to make it "cool" or look like his individual car.

Answer: Modified Civics are cool because of they are trying to get the most out of a small engine. It's like cheating if you have a V8.

My feeling no replacement for displacement.

Dave
Sioux Falls SD
 

Eric Ratermann (Ericrat)
Posted on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 02:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"Speed is just a question of money... How fast do you want to go?"

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