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Author Message   William Turner (Wturner) Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 11:49 am:    Last night I tried to give my computer a memory upgrade. I had 3 sticks of 128, so a total of 384 MB. I pulled them out and put in 3 sticks of 512 (way more than I need, I know, but I got them from a friend). It didn't work. Is that too much memory? I finally got it to work with 1 512, and 2 128's. Also, in the process, something went wrong with a system file called 'mshtml.dll' it affected everything that had some connection with internet explorer, but netscape navigator worked fine, so I thought uninstalling it and reinstalling it might fix it. I didn't try that yet, because by the time I figured it out, I was sick of dealing with that peice of SHIT. Any suggestions?   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 11:55 am:    What the heck do you do that needs that much?? lol... Depends on the MB. What kind of board? Model? IE - I remove it from my computers and use Netscape anyway. ;-) Use Linux. IMHO, FWIW.... -L   Anonymous Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 11:55 am:    You can't just throw any memory stick or combination thereof in your PC, man. Read your manual for a proper combo. Try reinstalling explorer after a proper uninstall - that would be easier than trying to explain to you what to do. Also, I am not a nerd, you friggin' neanderthal. Next time your machine acts up, beat it with a jawbone of your last kill and stick to your nintendo for games (I know that's your main reason for owning a PC. That and, of course, porn.)   PerroneFord Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 11:56 am:    You don't mention what kind of computer you have or it's age, but some computers will not recognize memory above a certain amount. It seems you have found your maximum. Your second problem I think you hit the mail on the head. MS (Microsoft) HTML .DLL, seems reasobable that a re-installation of IE would fix the corrupted file and you should be on your way again. You may want to make an effort to safeguard your favorites as I am unsure whether a new installation will overwrite that area. Good luck, -P   Neandertal nerd Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 12:24 pm:    >"Also, I am not a nerd, you friggin' neanderthal." then why did you reply?   Chu Son Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 12:39 pm:    Can I be called a Nerd too? I wouldn't mind being worth a few billion bucks. That kind of sensitivity cracks me up! chu   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 12:52 pm:    Kill the penguin!!! Kyle   KJ Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 12:56 pm:    chu, Would you settle for Nerdanderthal? I don't think that .com is claimed.... Karen ;)   Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 01:21 pm:    Windows NT based systems have a limit of 4 GB memory. SOme other OSs have lower limits. But you should do as anon says and read the mother board instructions to see which combos are acceptable. My guess is the advantage you will gain by having 1.5 GB will be outweighed by the slower start-up memory checks you'll have to wait for every time you restart (if you do this multiple times a day, like me) Dean   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 01:39 pm:    LOL, Kyle.... -L Win2000Pro user   alhang Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 02:25 pm:    kill the penguin??? i thought you had a new found love for linux after setting up this machine?   Chu Son Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 02:28 pm:    Nerdanderthal...that's great. Sounds like a good name for the internet Rover junkie. chu   jim Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 02:36 pm:    Hell I'm a nerd, geek, or whatever you want to call it who cares. you must not be your worth if you hate being called one. Let the penguin live!!! Kill the office assistant in MS Office instead!   William Turner (Wturner) Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 03:00 pm:    Actually anon, I use my PC to check email, and surf Disco Web. That is all, so you assumed wrong. The only reason I wanted to put the extra memory is because I had it sitting around, so why not? I never, ever, ever claimed to know or care about anything that has to do with computers; in fact I think they have become a ridiculous, but necessary virus in our way of life! It seems, by your scornful rebuttal, that you were offended in some way. I had no intentions of offending anyone, but if I did offend you then that makes me SMILE Good day   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 03:02 pm:    I hate the paperclip, but I like Einstein... he runs out of coffee more often than I do.... -L   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 03:04 pm:    Oh that freaking penquin , sitting there laughing at you. He knows what he is doing to your brain and he thinks its funny... Shoot him , right between those happy ass eyes... Kyle   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 03:08 pm:    BA HAA HA haaahahahahahaha........ ROTFLMAO!!!! Kyle, I'm glad I've got my own office so I'm not bothering anyone else.... lol...... -L   DonC Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 03:17 pm:    BJ, Next time you try this just give me a call. You know the number. The error you see is based on IE.. I presume that you have IE5 or earlier on your system. The fix for this is to upgrade to 5.5 or 6.0. There is one last way to fix it if you don't want to download the newer IE and that is to use the repair console. Call me later tonight and I will run you though it. Here is a link describing your problem. http://support.microsoft.com/search/preview.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q288285 As for the memory.. What system do you have? Are you trying to run some 133 Mhz memory in a 100 Mhz system or even 100Mhz in a 66MHz (Pentium 300 and older). It should work depending on the system. Sometimes yes sometimes no depending on if the memory can cycle down. Like someone said in here.. CHeck you system specs on this. Can you use this much memory? Depends on what you do. My home system runs 1gig on a 2.0 Ghz processor and you saw how that runs. (yes with what I do I need it) As for being a computer nerd.. Yes I am but it does pay for the Disco.   jim Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 03:21 pm:    right on DonC and all the updgrades for the disco.   Jeff Anderson (Groovydude) Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 05:21 pm:    If your Useing MICRO SHIT as an OS be it Win 98,2000,ME,or XP(NT don`t count) your Mem limit will be 512 megs ram, or 1024 if its DDR mremory(512 of ddr=1024 ram DDR=double data rate). So even if your MOBO claims it can support 50 gigs of ram your OS will hold you back NT being one of the few exceptions. I do believe win 2000 can take more than 512 but you have to change a setting in the mem manager or something. I mainly deal with Win 98 and ME and i know for a fact that 512 is that OS`s limit. Also make sure your mem is going in the right slodt in the right order. I know on the ABIT KG-7 and KR-7 the mem must go into the slots closest to the edge of the mobo first or it wont register. Also you could have a bad stick of mem in there so try 1 stick at a time and see if ya got a bad one. Hope this helps.   Dee Cantrell (Disco_Dad) Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 05:37 pm:    Jeff, Windows XP Professional for 64-bit platforms supports 16 GB of memory.   DonC Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 05:53 pm:    Jeff since XP is based on the NT kernal then it will support way more then the 512.. I know mine runs great at 1gig. I am getting some more info from the OS guys here at work. I will let know what the max sizes are. Now with 95/98 running on a old 66mhz (BX mother boards) PC then anything over 64MB was not totally used. In the W2K side there is no setting needed to change but it is recommended to adjust your page file accordingly.   jim Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 06:01 pm:    I run XP with 4GB, 3.5 GB and 2GB win2000 with 3GB,2GB, 1.5GB NT 4.0 with 3GB, 2GB, 1.5GB and 1GB All are stable and all OS's recognize all the memory.   Jeff Anderson (Groovydude) Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 08:58 pm:    DonC, Didn`t mean to put in XP sorry about that.   DonC Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 09:09 pm:    Hey man don't sweat it. I have to give you credit.. I am so glad we dropped ME out of our line up where I work. Man what a pain! Don   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 09:19 pm:    I've (luckily) never dealt w/ XP or ME.... I went from NT3.51 to NT4.0 to 2000Pro (which is also an NT).... -L   Jeff Anderson (Groovydude) Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 09:23 pm:    Yea ME=Satan. WTF where the gurus at Microsoft thinking when they oked the release of ME. My favorite is win 98. I`m a gammer and I think its the best os all around. XP is ok but I change out MOBOS and other hardware to much. I`d have to have a hotline to MS for a new code once a week. hehe.   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 09:26 pm:    Laptop's still on 98, actually.... -L   DonC Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 09:37 pm:    Jeff get the Corp edition for XP.. you wont have to call anymore.. I have about 20 laptops that go though my desk every week and each one of them has to be loaded and tested. I have not had to call MS to get a reg number since i was on the beta test team for them on XP. The only bad thing I can say about XP is turn off the damn visual effects. What a pain! once you do that it is really much faster (also disable the built in laptop interface that is install by default. yes even for desktops). I run in on both of my laptops and my desktops and it runs great even better then my W2K boxes. A few weeks ago I got a ultra lightweight portable that I am going to mount in the DIsco as my GPS unit. I loaded XP on this one since XP does handle battery life much better. NOw as for games... Really try XP.. I game on my systems (yes laptop too) and it runs all of the Direct X games kick butt. I have been running Medal of Honor lately and that does run nicely there. The only game I have had a problem with is Midtown maddness ( if you have it get the Disco load for it. Really cool blasting down the streets in a D2 hehehe) DonC   Jeff Anderson (Groovydude) Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 09:58 pm:    Cool will check it out..I'm also building a new systen and i`ll give XP Corp a try. Thanks   DonC Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 11:00 pm:    Sure! When you get your box running check out www.tweakxp.com for some ideas on the OS. Good luck with it. Don   Curtis Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 02:23 am:    There is no such XP as Corp to the best of my knowledge. I think you are referring to XP Professional. XP is good, but it is Windows all the same. They somehow figured out how to bring some of the Win95 problems to screw up the NT kernel in XP Pro. I cannot tell you exactly how many desktops my clients have it installed on, but it is a lot. We still get the typical Windows problems: freezing, app problems, OS cratering, and mysterious power on/off problems seem to top the list. Does not seem to matter what hardware configuration or software setup. Shame that MS can't get a good thing right. Curtis   DonC Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 09:56 am:    Curtis.. Actually there is. It is made for network admins that have to install on multiple machines. During our beta test of XP we submitted a complaint to MS about this. If you look at the submissions on various news groups about the same problem you will see how many admins complained about the same thing. When you are building over 100 pc's at a time to test an OS, it can be a pain to see the license manager continue to come up. The license number that is assigned to the disk will work across platforms (yes it is XP pro). If you are having a problem running Win95 programs in XP then run XP in compatibility mode. Yes it does work. I run XP on systems from legacy laptops to current servers and I have not had the same problems. If some of the programs are memory intensive then look to see if they have a XP specific update. For all of the OS's (yes I have to test all the OS's from win95a to XP) XP has been the most stable.   Curtis Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 10:38 am:    Don, I am interested in hearing ore about this Corp Ed. Do you have a part number? We frequently do installs greater than 100 machines so it could be helpful. I cannot seem to locate it in MOLP or media form anywhere on the MS Price lists and we are an MCSP and part of the MSDN. We were also involved in Alpha and Beta testing of XP. About the only thing I can think of that comes close to this was a Beta version pre release called Corporate Preview, but that was just a Beta sampler that anyone with 20 dollars could get. Thanks, Curtis PS XP still has problems   DonC Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 11:22 am:    Curtis, ON the MS web site it is called Enterprise Agreement 6.0 that can be installed in over 250 PCs. Let me know your email and I will send some more info on that. Don   DonC Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 11:25 am:    FYI... From the MS web site again. "Licenses acquired through one of Microsoft's volume licensing programs are NOT required to be activated. Microsoft Product Activation does, however, require volume license customers to input a Volume License Product Key when installing from volume license media " http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/resources/vol/default.asp Yes I do agree it has problems as all OS's do but they are less then the previous OS's Don   DonC Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 11:31 am:    OK here is the stuff from MS on how much the OS's can handle. Remeber the XP listing is for the 32 bit version NOT the 64.. Win98SE and WinME can handle 1GB Win2000 and WinXP can handle 4GB BUT this all does still depend on the mother boards and how much that they can really support. Now back to playing with the Disco's..   Curtis Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 01:19 pm:    Don, Enterprise Agreement 6.0 is simnply a Volume Licensing Key that activates the licenses. The Volume Licensing Keys are issued based on a purchase agreement that gives some pricing and support advantages to customers who are purchasing large ammounts of licenses. It has absolutely no effect on the software other than to allow the input of one number to activate 250 rather than one number for each of 250. I guess my point was that if one was looking to get in to XP they only have the options of XP Home and XP Pro. Curtis   DonC Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 02:24 pm:    you missed my point on the Corp. Corp is XP Pro that does not have to be called in to get the license key. That is the problem when you try to deploy XP. I would not want to have to call in over 100 PC to get the OS unlocked. THe EA 6 will give you the XP Pro OS w/o having to call in for each and every PC. No there are not 3 editions of XP but the mass license copy we refer to is Corp. You cannot use this key in a different version of XP (pro-non corp) to reg it. Sorry if I did not pass this on clearly. (the scary part is there MIGHT be a 3rd version if MS is forced to cell a stripped down verson with no IE, media player, etc)   Curtis Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 03:13 pm:    Don, You are right. I did miss your point. I re-read an earlier post of your just now and I misunderstood what you were saying. I hereby certify that what you are saying is BS Free and suitable for viewing. Sorry for the mixup. Curtis   DonC Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 05:22 pm:    Hehe.. Thanks Curtis.. Can I go back to playing with the Disco now? =-) (well I wish.. still stuck here at work till much later tonight) Don   Curtis Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 06:16 pm:    You may - just don't trip on any patch cords on the way;) Idea: Maybe we could talk Land Rover into offering and "Upgrade Advantage" like the MS model? Ah hell - I am dealing with licensing hell right now and my brain is shot. Just an idea. Curtis   KJ Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 12:46 am:    Wow, this is REALLY creepy....a DiscoWeb thread that went South, and then got strangely righted and BACK on topic! I'm buyin' a lottery ticket tomorrow, times is strange... Karen   Curtis Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 01:34 am:    Karen, One would only hope. Thing is...I think William originally asked a question about memory problems or something. Don & I had to screw things up by bringing up licensing. If I were William I would be pissed that his question ended up being ignored BTW - William: All PC problems are almost unresolvable by themselves. There are really only a couple of options: (1) Un-do whatever it was that you did to screw it up or (2) Drop back ten yards and punt...i.e. "reload the OS" Beyond that it gets really sketchy. In your case I would opt for (1). Curtis   DonC Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 10:23 am:    Curtis.. I know William away from Disco web. He lives here in Austin also and emailed me off line about what had happened. I have not heard from him in a few days so I guess his PC problems are fixed. (I just hope his Disco is ok after the inspection problems and that was just because of the PS pump clamps) Now is everyone ready to disconnect and go play in some mud this weekend? My disco is looking a bit too clean this week..:-) DonC   Hank Shank (Disco_Tex) Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 11:21 am:    NERDS!   Horness Spencer (Horness) Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 12:06 pm:    William - open up your PC, and take a note of the motherboard make and model number. I'll check out the various memory combinations you can have. If it's DIMMS modules, then they need to be the same speed (PC100 or 133) or else you will get a few problems. Did you say 3 x 512's?? That's 1.5Gb of RAM? Some motherboards will only take up to 512, 768, or 1Gb. As I said, let me know your board make etc., and I'll check it out for you. The file you mention is a Doc Object that is the IE HTML-rendering engine. IE uses the file extension to determine that it needs to load MSHTML.DLL. As it is relevant to MSIE, Netscape etc. will work fine. Re-install MSIE should fix the problem, or copy the file of another PC onto yours. (I.e. checks the file extension, and determines what application to start up). Email if you like. HRNESS   DonC Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 12:18 pm:    Hank bite me =-).. Still wheeling in Galveston this weekend? I might have to work on Sat but will be going to Houston on Sunday. Let me know your plans.. Don   Lawrence Tilly (L_Tilly) Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 12:43 pm:    Licensing? Renewing your license you alrady paid for because you decide to upgrade to a new machine? Not being allowed to legally install software you purchased for personal use on more than one machine you own just because some multi-billion $ company wants another $95? Uh, yeah, whatever. "We are Linux of Borg. If you are considering resistence, you missed the point." "World domination through world cooperation." L_Tilly [email protected] 96 Disco "Beowulf" NH, USA Debian GNU/Linux   Curtis Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 01:10 pm:    Don, I did not know I was talking to some Texas boyz. That is my home state. Got forced to move to Utah a couple of years ago. Nice here, but I still get homesick when I hear anything about Texas. Especially when I had to shovel 10" of snow off my driveway this morning. Curtis   Hank Shank (Disco_Tex) Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 02:08 pm:    Don, Few of us are going to Spring Creek on Sunday, call me when you get into town. Hank   DonC Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 04:57 pm:    Snow? Well I did see some in Dallas 2 weeks ago.=-) I am in Austin so that is just about never seen here at all. I know what you mean though about being away. I lived in Japan for close to 7 years and I was glad to be back. Keep us posted if you ever make a trip back so we can plan weekend of some off-roading.. Hank.. Sure will. I need to show you the pics from the 4x4 area on South Padre. I will bring them along if I dont get a chance to scan them tomorrow night.   Dan Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 09:53 pm:    Well�everyone thinks that you add more memory and performance improves, and it�s true, to a certain point. OK, lets say you have 128 mb, and during your average computing day your system requires 300 mb, then upgrading to say 384 mb will make a big difference. On the other hand if you have 256 and on an average day your system requires 270 then upgrading will have little effect. PC100 will work in a PC133 slot, PC133 will not work in a PC100 slot. My mainboard has two slots for SDRAM and two for DDR, mixing the two will fry the board.   Curtis Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 11:39 pm:    Don, I lived most of my life down the road from you in SA so I can relate to the no snow. About a year ago I was back on business and sure as hell my flight arrives during one of those damn Texas ice storms. 27 degrees and raining. All of it freezing as it hit the road. My rental car had 1/2" of ice all over it. We don't get that here. It snows at anything below 37 and it the snow is so dry that there is very little ice. I will be back a couple of times over the next year. I plan on going to Austink to visit some friends so I will make sure to give you a shout. Curtis   DonC Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 11:51 pm:    Dan.. Got it a bit backwards.. 133 will cycle down to 100 but 100 cannot run in a 133 machine. Anywho... After 12 hours today of playing with stuff like this time to play. Got the MAF of the Disco to check it out. Curtis. Drop me a email and let me know when you are making it down this way.   Dan Posted on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 07:01 am:    Yea... my bad