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Spanky
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 12:05 pm: | 
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Funny site. Check it out.
http://www.idontcareabouttheair.com/ |
Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 12:31 pm: |
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stupid indeed.
the BBS is mostly good, though.
peter |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 12:55 pm: |
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yeah, the BBS is funny |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 12:55 pm: |
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My 1999 Roadster with a 6 cyl engine put out less emissions than my 1999 Disco2. Go figure. |
Greg French (Gregfrench)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 02:16 pm: |
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Actually, I think they have a good point. Their purpose is to educate. I am thinking about buying some of the bumper stickers for my own Disco.
I have said before that the best thing we could do for the Earth is to make gas $5.00 or more a gallon. The whole reason people don't want to spend money researching cleaner alternatives to gas is they don't really care. It doesn't really affect them personally. But start taking $80.00 out of my pocket every time I need to fill up, and I am going to want something with better milage for my daily driver.
Anybody heard of the new Fuel Cell vehicles that will run on Hydrogen? The hydrogen comes from splitting a molecule of water into Hydrogen and Oxygen, which is re-released into the air as water. The drivetrain is all electric. No more air pollution. No more leaky oil polluting the ground water. No more dependency on foreign oil.
It is a good idea, but we don't really care, because we don't really pay that much for gas.
So, until we do, I will be as guilty as the rest of us and continue to drive my leaky, poor mileaged, polluting Disco.
Just my 5 cents |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 03:11 pm: |
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Better yet is the Hydrogen Internal Combustion engine. It's dual fuel capable. But I know of only one car maker working on it. They plan on introduce it mid-late this decade. |
Erik Olson (Jon)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 04:39 pm: |
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Orange juice costs more a gallon than gas in most parts of the country - until that changes, nobody is going to be in a big rush to switch to fossil alternatives. |
Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 05:02 pm: |
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I liked the profile for the mini-van and the suv drivers. Hhhhmm I've got a mini-van and a disco..I wonder what that makes me?
And who hasn't seen the crazy minivan mom driving her kids to a game. Weaving in and out of traffic, talking on her phone. Just minding her own business as if nobody else was on the road. |
GregH
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 05:03 pm: |
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I think BMW and to a lesser degree, Mercedes are both working on Hydrogen-fueled (NOT fuel cell driven electric) vehicles but BMW has working models that have been presented to CARB here in California. The nice thing about Hydrogen as a fuel in an internal combustion engine is that it should be retrofittable to older vehicles as well (Like my RRC) but of course cost would be a big ???
Anyways, if the safety factor (did you say Hindenburg?) can be contained it would be nice to drive my water vapor-only emitting Land Rover over the top of some environazi's piece of crap electric vehicle full of environmentally toxic materials! |
TPH (Tph)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 07:05 pm: |
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In my opinion what has been offered by the major automakers is never going to take hold, no matter what the price of gas costs. I looked at Honda's ultra gas mileage car at the dealership last summer. You could easily drive the front of it under a safeway grocery cart with ease, what a joke. I will not risk myself and my family with that amount of safety. Not to mention how just plain boring it would be to drive. |
Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 11:26 pm: |
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well the faster we use up the gas the sooner we get to that alternatives. in the long run we are doing ourselves a favor. in the meantime if you drive any internal combustion type vehicle shut up or jump on a segway.
-chris |
Greg French (Gregfrench)
| | Posted on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 07:53 am: |
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TPH...
I agree. They are ugly and don't look very safe. If I were going to get in a collision with one, I would sure be glad it was me and my family in the Disco and not in the little plastic thingee.
Plus...can you imagine driving across teh country in one of those with your kids?
Sometimes large is nice.
What I was saying is that if people start lobbying for it, the automakers will respond. Eventually, they may make one as large and sturdy as the SUV's of today.
Of course, no matter what we do, the radical environ-mental-ists will find something else to complain about. |
Todd W. McLain (Ganryu)
| | Posted on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 08:47 am: |
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Greg,
I would haveto disagree with you. I pay nearly $4 per gallon, and it doesn't hamper me or anybody around me .... same percentage of SUV's here. You just get used to it.
As to all of the alternative fuel cars being cheasy and unsafe .... Toyota has same alternative fuel Land Cruises 100 Cygnuses. Seen them at the toyota car show last year. |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 10:35 am: |
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Give me a D90 300Tdi running on Bio-Diesel  |
Snowman
| | Posted on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 10:58 am: |
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Todd-
Could you expand a bit on the "Land Cruiser 100 Cygnuses". I did a google search and came up empty. Spelling possibly incorrect?
S- |
R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
| | Posted on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 11:39 am: |
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Hey, if they can make an alternative fuel, battery powered, or other engine that will give me as much power as I have in my Disco right now, I would buy it.
Or, we could start actually being allowed to buy deisels here...
http://landrover.mrbaileyshistory.net |
Letmebe
| | Posted on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 11:43 am: |
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Just to let you know, they guy who wrote the article on that web page, "The Highest Patriotism Lies in Weaning U.S. From Fossil Fuels" Drives a Land Rover and flies around the country in a Lear Jet. |
Greg French (Gregfrench)
| | Posted on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 02:01 pm: |
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Letmebe...
Are you serious? Figures.
Todd...I, too, would like the info on that Land Cruiser. Also, I believe that over there, the gas has either always been expensive or went up gradually. I may be wrong, though.
Start importing desiels here. Yes. Good idea.
Eventually, we are going to run out of fossil fuels, though, and I don't want to be stuck with some little plastic P.O.S.
Of course, I am not going to do anything about it except bitch and moan about how much it needs to change, all the while I will be burning up gas taking unnecessary romps through the mud.
After all...there's nothing quite like Internal Combustion. |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 04:35 pm: |
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"After all...there's nothing quite like Internal Combustion."
And this is why BMW is the only company making the effort to build Internal Combustion Hydrogen Vehicles.
http://www.autoworld.com/news/bmw/bmw_clean.asp
http://www.bmwgroup.com/e/nav/index.html?http://www.bmwgroup.com/e/0_0_www_bmwgroup_com/5_engagement/5_2_verantwortung/5_2_4_umwelt/5_2_4_2_clean_energy.shtml?5_2
and PDF file...
http://www.bmwgroup.com/e/0_0_www_bmwgroup_com/8_science_mobility/8_4_wissenschaft/pdf/8_4_6_Hydrogen.pdf |
mark
| | Posted on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 06:29 pm: |
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well if we could blow up iraq and take over the oil fields, it wouldnt be foreign oil would it? and if i need fuel i buy it, $80 or whatever it costs. and even if there was an "alternative" it would take a LONG time for us not to be dependent... |
GregH
| | Posted on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 09:20 pm: |
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I want a hydrogen-powered M5... |
Todd W. McLain (Ganryu)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 04:41 pm: |
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Sorry snowman, I was in Tokyo for the weekend and didn't take the laptop Went to the dealer to testdrive one of the new Freelanders. Anyways, for the info on the LC100 Cygnus, use this link and click on the adventure button.
http://www.toyota.co.jp/T/
That's just the straight Cygnus, not the hybrid. My understanding is that they only made 4 of the hybrid LandCruisers. I've got the info on it from the Toyota Auto-show phamplet's, if anybody wants it I can scan it and post it.
As to the gas having always been high here, that is very true. I think about 75% of all the SUV's sold in the Japanese market are Diesel, since Diesel is about three-quarters the price of gasoline (and half the price of the high-octane stuff I put in my Disco.) When I wass talking to the dealer, he said that 50% of all the Discos and Freelanders they sell are Diesel (the Defenders are offered as Diesel only). Funny thing about that is that only the gasoline powered models are the ones that I see in the used market. Anyways, not to get off topic, I was just trying to say that given the choice, I drive my gas Rover more than my Diesel Land Cruisers, even though it costs a hell of a lot more to operate. |
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