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CL
| | Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 11:22 am: | 
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Today I had the Amber Hill Decent mode, ABS, and Traction control trouble lights come on at the same time in my car. I happened when I started my car up in my drve way. I last drove my car about two hours before with no problems. The only cause I can think of is the recent snow and cold. Any sugestions? |
CL
| | Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 12:10 pm: |
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I still can not figure out the problem. Could some one please help me with this one. I am trying to call around but no one is working at he dealership in service today. I just want to know if it is safe to drive? |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 01:06 pm: |
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This is only a guess but I would think only those systems would be impacted and your brakes would work sans ABS. Have you had the SLABS recall done? Did you check the ABS sensors on the four hubs? |
cl
| | Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 01:22 pm: |
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I had all of my recall work done. I looked under my car and all the sensors and brake lines apear to be alright under each tire. |
John Moore (Jmoore)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 01:36 pm: |
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My 1999 D2 did this a few days ago, while in stop and go traffic (also Snow.) I have had the slabs recall done on my truck too. I took it to the dealer and no codes had been stored. Mysterious.
-John |
cl
| | Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 01:38 pm: |
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Did the touble lights go away when reset. |
John Moore (Jmoore)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 01:43 pm: |
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They came on once, about a week later. They went off when I turned off the truck and restarted. Since there were no codes, there was nothing for the dealer to reset. They told me they were going to consult LR technical support. I have not heard anything yet. I had the dealer check it on Tuesday.
I have used the hill decent control and in the snow, I can tell that my abs is working.
-John |
CL
| | Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 02:10 pm: |
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My ABS Brake are working. It seem everything is working alright for me. |
John Moore (Jmoore)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 02:14 pm: |
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I would suggest taking it to someone with testbook to check to see if you have any codes, just to be safe. You don't want to have your brakes fail, especially the abs when there's snow around. I will let you know if I ever hear anything from the dealership, but it's one of those things, you can't fix it if it's not broke!
-John |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 02:21 pm: |
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"You don't want to have your brakes fail, especially the abs when there's snow around."
Wow! 
I wonder what everyone did back in the "old days" when we didn't have ABS. Now I've said it before, I don't mess with brakes but to ME ABS is a nice feature but far from something that would keep me in the driveway. But John's right, just get it checked out to be safe. |
John Moore (Jmoore)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 02:33 pm: |
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Al, The old days for me were three weeks ago, before I sold my 88RRC!
I have said this before but with the new D2 I feel like Scotty asking the computer on the Enterprize if it feels OK.
-John |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 02:36 pm: |
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She'll hold captain but the valves can't take it for much longer. |
cl
| | Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 02:41 pm: |
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I have already dove around and the brakes work but I don't think I have ABS, (my other car before this one were junkers where I was lucky to even have brakes.) I took my car out on a little back road took her to about 40 and slamed the brakes. I stoped with no troble but I did not feel the ABS clicking in. I did check out the ABS pump and I can hear (at least I think I can hear) a very faint low pitch churping sound where the electrical plugs (have no idea what this is called) connects into the ABS. Could this be the cause? Will I still have manual brakes even if this sensor goes out? |
robert
| | Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 02:57 pm: |
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my 2001 has " an erratic wheel speed sensor" as i was told. hpoefully this will help |
John Moore (Jmoore)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 11:19 pm: |
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This evening, while out Christmas tree shopping, I got the chime and the same three lights came on again. After turning off the rig, 15-20 mins, they were off again. I didn't step hard on the brakes, but everything seemed fine.
This time, no snow, no stop and go traffic. Only thing in common with the other times the lights have come on is some highway driving.
I too want to get this fixed.
CL, can you feel the ABS pumping when your foot's on the brake when you start the car?
-John |
CL
| | Posted on Monday, December 09, 2002 - 07:34 am: |
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I did not check for that. I have been very easy on the brakes since the lights came on. I will look for that.
I have driven the car about 200 miles since the lights have been on with not troubles. I am calling the dealer today. |
CL
| | Posted on Monday, December 09, 2002 - 08:02 am: |
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Last message to JMoore.
I did look at the ABS pump and I think I hear a slight faint electical chirping sound where the wires connect (do not know what is called) connects into the ABS pump. |
f
| | Posted on Monday, December 09, 2002 - 12:29 pm: |
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Tom
| | Posted on Monday, December 09, 2002 - 03:09 pm: |
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Sounds like snow and cold can do a number on LRs. It looks like quite a few people are having problems with ABS on the east coast since that ice storm. |
Alyssa
| | Posted on Monday, December 09, 2002 - 04:13 pm: |
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CL, are you out of warranty? If you are still in, don't worry about a thing. Just let your dealer deal with it. Unless you have any noticeable problems, like inappropriate ABS activation, don't worry. There was a second SLABS service action after the SLAB recalls didn't take. So there may be a new SLABS in store for you. All three are hooked into each other, and it's usually an electrical problem. |
cl
| | Posted on Monday, December 09, 2002 - 04:19 pm: |
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Alyssa,
I got the Extented warranty, (100 dollar deductable).
Also, I just talked to dealer and will have it looked over. Will let you all know what cause was. |
Will Distel
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 04:14 am: |
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Will D,
The ABS slab upgrade has been a real stuff up with many problems with D2's.
Im in Brisbane Australia and LD Aus is all out of wheel speed sensors nationaly. There seems to be a clash with the slab and the sensors.
The fault you are talking about may be an open circuit on the sensor. The plug for the sensor is under the bonnet on top of the wheel arch, it is about the size of your little finger. Test the two points in the plug, thay should read 1000 ommes. If you get an open circuit the sensor is RS and neads replacing. you may have cracked the sensor with the cold and shorted the coil due to your recent weather |
Will Distel
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 04:19 am: |
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Can any one tel me how to re set the ABS slab and reset the fault code's on a D2 |
CL
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 03:28 pm: |
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Had it checked out and it was a bad senor to one of the hubs. |
John Moore (Jmoore)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 04:18 pm: |
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CL, Did they tell you that "testbook" or the computer had posted a code? Usually, if a sensor is bad a code will be posted.
-John |
robert
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 09:56 pm: |
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damn, the only time i have ever been right.hopefully cl you will get the sensor before me. its going on 3 months now! |
Ron
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 10:42 pm: |
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If it goes on then resets itself when your turn the truck off then comes back on at some random time it is likely a shuttle valve failure in the modulator ($$$$). So if you are in warranty make them fix it. However, in all the cases of this I have seen there are no appreciable ill effects in the brakes.
If it goes on and stays on after the truck is shut down and restarted it is likely a wheel speed sensor fault, or a SLABS fault. The new SLABS are more sensitive than the prerecall ones and some trucks get "eratic speed sensor" readings because of this. These faults may or may not lead to the ABS working improperly depending on how the sensor is functioning. Hubs are on backorder.
Ron |
BW
| | Posted on Sunday, December 15, 2002 - 12:12 am: |
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Side note.
If you have lights come on and the dealership says no codes were stored . . . be sure you have them document your report anyway. This will help faciliate "free work" when your warranty expires if in fact you are still "covered" now. Of course not every dealership will honor "post warranty work" on "can not duplicate problems", but some do.
Been there done that,
BW |
John Moore (Jmoore)
| | Posted on Sunday, December 15, 2002 - 12:31 am: |
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Thanks BW for the info regarding warranty. I still have less than a year left. I do have a documented report from the dealer showing I took it in for this problem, and no codes reported.
So far my lights will come every few days and when they do, they will reset when I turn off the truck. My dealer said he would contact LR technical services. We'll see what happens.
-John
99D2 |
Ron
| | Posted on Sunday, December 15, 2002 - 12:44 am: |
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John,
Everytime I have seen that it was a shuttle valve fault in the ABS modulator. When the lights come on drive right over and have them read the codes. The modulator is like 2 grand plus install so try to catch it while you still have warranty left.
Ron |
CL
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 10:38 am: |
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It was a sensor (on the hub). The lights come on and stay on. It was tested and the codes stated it was a bad sensor on the hub. Only problem is part is on back order. Will get it fix when I get more time after Christmas. Not a major deal. |
John Moore (Jmoore)
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 10:53 am: |
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Thanks Ron, my lights "only" come on once in awhile. I am going to try to get to the dealer when they are on! I still have warranty until next Sept.
CL: seems like our problem is a little different, from what I understand your lights came on and didn't go out, where as mine only come on every few days and will reset when I restart the car.
-John |
CL
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 11:30 am: |
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John
About a week before my senor went my ABS light would come on and then just go off. This happened a couple of times before the lights stayed on. |
PJKBRIT
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 04:21 pm: |
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Me too on my 99...lights came on and have stayed on...but the ABS works normally....stupid shit like this really annoys me.
Pete |
John Moore (Jmoore)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 10:52 pm: |
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I have the dealership stumped. I took my truck today to them when the lights were on. Testbook told them there were no problems. They again are going to consult with LR technical services. In the mean time they told me if the lights come on to turn the truck off to reset them. They seem to think it is either a short or some problem with the computer.
I told them I would take it back to them after the holidays.
-John |
pete
| | Posted on Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 02:41 pm: |
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Oh...and I'm JUST out of warranty of course!!!!!!! But I'll try real hard to shove it up there arses anyway.
Pete |
streak
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 05:53 am: |
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Our DII had been fine since the SLABS upgrade until recently. The lights kept on coming on about 5 minutes after first drive of the day.
Dealer found a fault code and thought that the best way to fix the problem was just to reset the fault. So next day same problem and back to the dealer. Now they found the ABS modulator faulty and needed to order a new one from the UK. Fiited the modulator and still had the fault, now a wheel sensor needed replacing.
So far so good. However I was away in the bush recently and there were 3 other DII's there all with the same lights on problem. One owner was so pissed with the dealership and LR's inability to solve the problem that they had handed the whole issue over to their lawyers.
Hope the 2003 Disco. has this problem resolved.
www.worst4x4.freeservers.com |
PJKBRIT
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 08:51 am: |
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Yer know....!!!! Don't get me wrong...I LOVE my D2...it is the best car I've ever had and it really performs....yesterday it easily blew a 5.7 liter Tahoe into the weeds off the lights!!! BUT...now in addition to these 3 lights...I have the bloody Service Engine Soon light....it looks like a Christmas Tree there...and at night all these warning lights are a distraction!!!!! Back to the 85 Saab Turbo today...it's only got 266K on it...and hasn't been off the road even 1 day this year!!!!!!!!!!! |
PJKBRIT
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 11:31 am: |
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So I go to the dealer at 51300 miles...out of warranty of course...he tells me it's the right rear ABS wheel sensor...a mere $400.00 plus $93.50 to diagnose. I tell him he gets to do the work if he gets LR to pay for it...otherwise leave it alone and don't expect me to buy another one...guess what? He tells me that 'LR dictate warranty terms" ...I tell him 'no....the customer dictates what car they will buy next' . So now he concedes he'll see if LR will pay for it!!!! What this space...lets see if they do the right thing. And if they don't...we'll all get to play "Name that Dealership".....LOL |
PJKBRIT
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 11:27 am: |
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Soooooooo...the result was positive...and LR ARE honouring warranty for the sensor. Good job 'cos there was nooooo way I was paying $500 for that!!! My only concern is how much it'll cost me for the next one...does Nathan Crabtree sell these yet???!!! Still...credit where it's due...if you push 'em hard enough, you'll get more out of them. This was also smart...because they will have a great chance of selling me another one...especially after my Rover's performance in that little Blizzard we had up here yesterday!!...it was as good as you could imagine...with 7 people to boot!!! |
PJKBRIT
| | Posted on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 11:34 am: |
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Uh oh....spoke too soon....all the lights came on AGAIN....this is gonna be a PITA I can tell!!!! |
Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 01:22 pm: |
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Mine are on as well. Was backing out of the sitter's drive Mon morning and they all lit up. Turned off the rig, waited, restarted, all still on. Had the SLABS work done this summer under warranty. I'm now out of warranty. You think if it's a bad SLABS they'll replace for free since the initial one done under warranty was bad(if that's the problem)? |
Christian Frezza (Christian)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 01:34 pm: |
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Hey everyone. I've had the same thing going on when first starting up the vehicle and sometimes when braking coming to a stop sign or light. Still occurs. What exactly is SLABS??? |
OLIVER CLOTHSOFF (Everythingleaks)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 08:37 pm: |
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Self Leveling Anti-lock Braking System |
Aaron Owens (Aaronowens)
| | Posted on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 07:59 am: |
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Greg, do you think it was anything on Sunday like overextending a line or catching a line on some brush? I hate those three lights so I feel for ya.
Aaron |
Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
| | Posted on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 09:50 am: |
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Well, it was fine on the drive home, all throughout that night running errands, and was fine until I backed out of our sitter's drive. I'm pulling the extensions this weekend and will check them out. After that I'll have to go to the dealer(!). I'll keep everyone posted. Up until this point, I've not had any problems with my extensions whatsoever. |
John Moore (Jmoore)
| | Posted on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 10:21 am: |
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I still haven't gotten mine fixed. But my problem is intermittant. I restart the rig and they will stay off for a few hours if not days. I think the dealer is planning to replace my SLABS unit under warranty.
I will keep you up to date.
-John
99D2 29K miles |
PJKBRIT
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 - 12:38 pm: |
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Uh-oh....this is going downhill fast. So the lights call came on again and now they tell me after 3 days off the road that it is the front right sensor....$500 bucks please. I say...No, this is an unfinished service ticket from the other week and how do I know it won't happen to the remaining 2 'old' sensors...I have complained to Land Rover Corporate on the grounds that ABS is a safety related issue and that because so many of us are having this problem there is clarly an 'issue' here which is LR's responsibility, not the owners...they said they'd get back to me within 2 business days...good job my 85 Saab Turbo is doing just fine at 266K eh!!!???
Pete
99 DII, 51800miles |
pete
| | Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 09:54 am: |
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So guess what....they won't honor it...and Land Rover Bedford Hills, NY kept my car off the road 1 whole week before 'coming clean' and inconveniencing me to the tune of 1 week off the road....I am disgusted and was made to feel a pain in the arse...needless to say I explained that I own and run my own business and just don't treat customers this way. The Service Manager never even returned a call the whole week. So I guess I have to fix it myself....as usual. God I hate the Motor Trade. |
joe (Joe)
| | Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 10:21 pm: |
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Guys, Your dealers are feeding a line of shit. LRNA knows that the slabs recall is f ed up. They do not know how or what to do to fix it. They are also have hugh problems with ABS sensors. they were on national backorder for over 1 month. Owner careless will not help because they are all new. Ford just transfered this part to a company that has never delt with landrover issues. My advice would be to harrass the living shit out of them(owner care). From my personal experience, the LRNA parts situation is at an all time low. My customers are fed up as is my service dept. There is also a hugh problem with dealers programing your slab ecu for a car with SLS or rear air suspension and vice versa. A bulliten has even come out about this. In our defense, we, the dealer, are getting absolutely no tech support.All but 2 tech reps in the entire company have quit with the ford changes. The two reps we have for the entire country are great but can't keep up with the calls comming in. Keep calling them 1-800-637-6837. My customers know that number by heart. Land rovers are the best but the support is the worst. We honestly want to fix your car right. We just can't get the help from the Brits.
Cheers
Joe |
Nathan Hughes
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I just had all my lights go on also- the ABS, the traction control, and the decent hill control. I let it ride for about a week b/c the dealership said it should be no problems for a while...so I did-and all the systems continued to work properly. Then, after checking out what little options I had I took it in to the dealer-they said the three systems could potentially fail and so I paid for a $651 new left rear ABS assembly hub- they told me it was a faulty ABS sensor and without this repair it means potential loss of safety let alone a potential failure of DHC and Traction control---I haven't any idea if this is a rip-off or not! What is the SLABS recall???? I already had the repai and no problems since, but is there a big problem with these sensors and was there a recall for them? Help!!!!
[email protected] |
PJKBRIT
| | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 08:28 am: |
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Sounds like a ripoff to me...they replaced my hub...and 3 weeks later the problem recurred!!!!!
My honest opinion is that they ain't 100% sure of what the problem really is...but it sure ain't comin' outta my wallet!!! |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 09:59 am: |
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So aren't we all glad LR went with a sealed hub? Now if we need a new ABS sensor we change the entire hub. Or if you need bearings you also get a new ABS sensor? I'm wishing I picked up that D1 when I had the chance in April 1999. |
John Moore (Jmoore)
| | Posted on Friday, January 24, 2003 - 02:53 pm: |
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On my 99D2, the problem has been intermittant. The lights will come on then they will go off when I restart the car and stay off several hours if not days. No codes detected.
Finally, the dealer ship replaced the SLABS computer under warranty. $495 part. They told me they weren't sure this was the problem but were making an educated guess.
No lights yet, but it has only been one day.
-John |
Carl_kps
| | Posted on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 12:33 pm: |
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I got the Brake hub sensor replaced under extended warrenty, along with idler pulley changed, for 100 dollar deductable. No more lights |
CL
| | Posted on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 12:37 pm: |
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I got the Brake hub sensor replaced under extended warrenty, along with idler pulley changed, for 100 dollar deductable. No more lights |
John Moore (Jmoore)
| | Posted on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 01:56 pm: |
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So far, no lights since they replaced the SLABS computer. 5 Days, fingers crossed. |
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