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Jason D Gustavson (Gustavsonj)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 05:20 pm: | 
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I DID IT IN MY 96 D1 ON THE OLYMPIC PENNISULA IN WASHINGTON AND I GOT SLAPPED WITH A $490 TICKET AFTER BEING QUESTIONED FOR NEARLY AN HOUR ABOUT THE OWNERSHIP OF THE VEHICLE DUE TO HAVING THE PAPER PLATE STILL ON THE BACK WINDOW THEN BEING ACCUSED OF TAKING A RENTAL VEHICLE OFF ROAD, AND MAKING FAKE PLATES SEEMED LIKE THE COPS HAD A HARDTIME BELIEVEN THERE ARE A FEW TEENAGERS OUT THERE THAT OWN A LAND ROVER FU#@IN BASTARDS. BUT AT LEAST THE COP WAS HOT ALL IN THE END ON NEGLIGENT DRIVING TICKET. I hate the Northwest makes me want to move back to Scottsdale AZ where the cops understand that you like 4 wheelin
JASON |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 05:52 pm: |
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But then again, there isn't much salt water in Arizona. 
Where were you driving? Long Beach? I beleive there are signs saying "don't do that".
pwc |
Todd Sanders (Sanderskog)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 06:18 pm: |
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Why are you yelling?
I too would be curious where.
If you hate the NW so much, move.
Land Rover + Salt Water = 
Todd |
Chris Marcel (Gumarcel)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 08:03 pm: |
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I don't understand the things with cops. Almost a week after I got my licence this stupid cop pulled me over in my Red Rover becuase he thought it was stolen. Why is it they want to pull me over, just to mess with me because I was 16? God what has this world come to!? |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 08:29 pm: |
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Hmmmm
Having grown up in Washington State, I do know that the locals (including law enforcement) like to keep people from harming the environment. After all, the NW is the most beautiful part of this country. To get slapped with a $490 fine, you must have been doing something else. Don't forget, those "Stupid Cops" are out to protect and serve their communities. What have you done for your community? |
Jason D Gustavson (Gustavsonj)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 11:06 pm: |
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490 bucks just for the negligent driving . i was doing about 35 mph when I was splashing the water. they consider that portion of the beach that everyone drives on a stretch of highway so I guess that raises the fine the cop was like this is considered pretty much the same as 1-5 and then asked me if I would do this on I-5 and I looked at her and said if this is I-5 there wouldn't be ocean water on the shoulder then she looked dumbfounded and went back to her jeep and came back about 25 minutes later with a ticket and she was like im tempted to charge you with wreckless driving but im going to charge you with negligent driving in the second degree
Jason |
TPH (Snowman)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 11:10 pm: |
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Jason-
Bummer about the ticket. But I have to ask, what's an Imagery Analyst?
S- |
Jason D Gustavson (Gustavsonj)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 11:17 pm: |
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Paul in refernece for what I have done for my community.
1. Joined The Military
2.Combined Federal Campaign Assisstant Manager of pierce county which collects and processes and distributes about 2.5 million dollars every year about 50% of that goes to the local community and 50% goes to national charities
so anyway I think i may be a little ahead in the what have you done for your community department compared to most 19 year olds
jason |
Jason D Gustavson (Gustavsonj)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 11:22 pm: |
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An imagery Analyst is a person that studies satellite imagery and determines places and buildings to drop bombs on foreign enemys. basically when the US was dropping bombs all over afghanistan they where dropping them on places that the imagery team i was on was telling them. then we get post strike imagery and tell them if the target was hit or not. pretty sweet job |
Todd Sanders (Sanderskog)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 11:44 pm: |
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Hey Jason,
The question still stands. Where were you when you got the ticket?
Sucks to get a negligent, ask me how I know. Although I was 18 and it involved a 300+ hp Firebird and an officer in a Crown Victoria hiding behind a telephone pole across the street. But that's another story...
Best advice, be humble. When the officer asked if you'd do it on I-5 the better answer would have been "no" with an apology. My guess is you would have gotten off a lot easier. Law enforcement in these parts don't take sarcasm lightly.
Todd |
Jason D Gustavson (Gustavsonj)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 11:52 pm: |
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it was in ocean shores there is like one main road and that road if followed straight would go right into the ocean but it is really easy to find plus there is some killer 4x4 on the dunes and behind them. i will scan the ticket and try to post it but give me afew minutes i have never posted an image before
jason |
Todd W. McLain (Ganryu)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 11:54 pm: |
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Jason,
1. Lot's of people have joined the miltary and don't use it as an excuse when somebody else asks them what they've done for their community.
2. Just because your working with CFC doesn't mean you contributed.
3. It seems your job description would be something that you wouldn't really want to be boasting about on the web. Something along the lines of "loose lips sink ships" comes to mind.
Also, I would agree with the cop that doing 35 on a beach in the water is negligent driving.
Lastly, to agree with Todd, salt water and a land rover seem like a really bad mix. You may think it's fun now, but, come a year from now when your at the deealer begging them to cover your corrosion problems you won't think it's much fun.
Just my .02 of the currency of your choice.
Todd |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 12:07 am: |
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Quote:said if this is I-5 there wouldn't be ocean water on the shoulder
Yeahhhhh, that's your problem right there. Ocean Shores being a vacation spot they tend t olook for easy targets, like you. It didn't matter if you were 16 or 42, she would have pulled anyone over that was doing that.
After that, it matters how you act. If you are a humble older gentleman and act coy and say you were having too much fun and regret it, you get a lesser ticket, or none at all.
If you're younger and back talk....well.....you had it comin'.
I agree with Todd S. If you don't like where you're livin' move. It's still a free country in that regard.
pwc |
Jason D Gustavson (Gustavsonj)
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 12:30 am: |
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1. i joined the military because i wanted to kill people
2. your in aerospace so you probbably have your TS clearance and besides what i told you was unclass everyone in the whole country has known since day one because of CNN and if you really want to know about my job check out the discovery channel they having a special about my role in the whole thing it is pretty good
3. Im a leadship giver and i give my money to the monkey helpers orginazation which trains monkeys and helps out people like my 16 year old brother who got slammed head on by some drugged up fool while he was driving his porsche boxster and he is going to permantley disabled for the rest of his life.
anyway wish i could leave but thats considered going AWOL
Jason |
Jason D Gustavson (Gustavsonj)
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 12:36 am: |
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I've never been the one to get out of a ticket anyway. But the good thing about it is due to having an AZ Drivers liscense the tickets Ive gotten here havent hit my driving record which means they havent hit my insurace company. but knock on wood and hopefully they never due
the ticket is to worn out to read so no use posting it
jason |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 07:22 am: |
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Ocean Shores Eh?
Yeah I remember getting all of my illegal fireworks confiscated one 4th 0' July as a kid. Apparently, the law didn't like the stuff that I acquired from the Indian Reservation. |
Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 09:29 am: |
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"...the tickets Ive gotten here." Seems as if there's a pattern developing. You haven't been hanging around Camille, have you? |
Marc Ingham (Marcingham)
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 10:33 am: |
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"1. i joined the military because i wanted to kill people "
I really hope that is just bravado, otherwise you have bigger problems than a traffic ticket. |
Marc M (Mosi)
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 05:57 pm: |
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Isn't there a speed limit on the beach? At Sand Lake in Oregon, the limit is 20.
Also, since you are in the Military, what were you thinking being a smart ass to a cop? If anything, Military folks should have the discipline to suck it up and address Police Officers properly since you interact with superiors on a daily basis. Trust me on this, I have been pulled over 7 times in my 15 years of driving and have only been cited once. |
Jason D Gustavson (Gustavsonj)
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 06:07 pm: |
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How many teens out there don't smart off? That's how my generation is.
Jason |
Marc M (Mosi)
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 06:18 pm: |
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"How many teens out there don't smart off? That's how my generation is."
Looking at your credentials above, you should be SETTING an example for your "generation", not adding fuel to the fire. Be a smart ass to your buddies, not to someone who can make you $490 poorer. Sheesh! That's a lot of mod money! |
Pugsly (Pugsly)
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 06:47 pm: |
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Hey Jason -
Sounds like I did similar work to you when I was in the military, only we did the radio emitter location (mainly radar systems) with phased antenna arrays intead of imagery. We mapped out a lot of sites in Iraq that later got wiped off the map. |
Jason D Gustavson (Gustavsonj)
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 07:05 pm: |
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so were you like a 98j or 98k? |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 07:16 pm: |
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"How many teens out there don't smart off? That's how my generation is."
Ohhhhh..well then it's oooookkkkaayy.....sorry about that, we older people didn't know it was ok now to piss off an officer. The next time I get pulled over I'll be an ass and then tell him I'm trying to be hip.
Go jump off a bridge now, little lemming. And it better not be a floating bridge.
pwc |
Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 12:28 am: |
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Jason,
I imagine that with your attitude that you will not be in the military very long. I met lots of guys like you while I was in the Marine Corps. Funny thing about them was they started off as my senior and woulnd up being my junior. For every rank I would make they lost one. It was rather funny to have them taking out my trash.
As far as unclassified goes...doesn't matter. OPSEC. There are some smart people out there that like to peice together little bits of info like you just gave away. For all the snoopin and poopin that the U.S. does, don't you think that other countries do the same thing. I am not a conspitor theorist but don't you think that there might be a few people around that are not as they seem? And just from the information that you gave and the fact that you are bragging about your job to impress people you have never met tells me that you are a security risk. I could just see you in a bar talking crap tying to impress some chick. Get some disciplin.
Joined the military because you want to kill people huh? Put you on the line in combat and I bet you are the first to freeze up and get your budy killed. Then you would probably claim tramatic stress syndrom to get out. You are indeed a undisciplined little prick. You would serve the comunity and our country better if you were working at 7/11 for the rest of your life, wich you probably will be once you get the boot. If I was your comander you would loose your t.s., and maybe he is a Land Rover nut and just happens apon this post.
brian |
Alan Yim (Alan)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 01:14 am: |
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Not too sure about a lot of things you said Jason but really not too impressed about your "killing people" comment. Need to grow up a bit and take responsibility for your actions instead of passing it off as something "your generation does". |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 09:02 am: |
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Well Said Brian. Even though I am out of the Corps ('94), I still work with Marines everyday with the Osprey Program.
Jason wrote, "i joined the military because i wanted to kill people" That's nice Jason, Kill anyone lately, how about this year? Do you plan on killing anyone next year? Remember Jason, As a 19 year old analyst, you do not make the decision of what or who gets hit. You analyze. Now, show me your war face or pass the Jelly Donut. |
Pugsly (Pugsly)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 04:31 pm: |
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Jason - I was 33R, worked with 98Js. I always liked the MI work, because there was always an active mission [unlike most of the rest of the Army, where you spent a lot of time just waiting around for a war to break out] |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 05:06 pm: |
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I agree Paul,
The responsibilities of a soldier in defence of his country and life should not be taken lightly. I've made my mistakes just like everyone else, and what I have learned is that national service in the military is not a job to take lightly.
Comeing from an analyst, "i joined the military because i wanted to kill people", sounds brash and silly. It also sounds like it comes from someone who hasn't been around. There are those who join the military to kill people, those indeviduals are combat arms.
Jason, you must always remember that the police put their lives on the line every day. These people live the life you seem to wish you had the right stuff for. I'm not downplaying your job, I'm simply saying you speak like a child who just saw an action movie and wants to be like Bruce Willis.
Yell back if you want, I hope, though that yuou take a lesson here.
Cheers,
Kennith |
Jason D Gustavson (Gustavsonj)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 07:13 pm: |
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I still stand behind what I said about I want to kill people that is the main reason I joined the military. there was no incentive for me to join. I wanted to join combat arms but somehow i was talked out of it because I was told by my recruiter nobody scores as high as i did on the asvab joins combat arms they all go MI. and I was like whatever where do i sign. And yes i do analyze, and just because of my age doesn't mean they won't put a lot of resposibilty on my plate or think the information I provide is less credible. i see what i see and I report to the same colonel as the guy next to me who has been doing it for 10 years. And I must be doing my job right because I have been promoted incredibley fast since I have been in but that is also due to there is like less than a thousand people that do my job in the army. And I don't take my job lightly when I'm actually working. By know means do I think I'm some sort of Bruce Willis or something. My job affects to many people to fuck around at work.
My secondary MOS is being a 98j
Jason |
Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 09:40 pm: |
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Jason,
I didn't say you were bad at your job. I said you are undiscplined and a security risk. Guys like you don't make it real far in the military.
The military will give you much more responsibility than any other organization in the world. Every job has lives that depend on it. The military is full of systems that anyone that follows orders can do well.
I did some things in the Marine Corps that CEO's of major corporations would not want to touch, and I was young. I worked on things that went directly to joint cheifs of staff and then right to the president. none of it is classified but that doesn't matter, it is not apropriat to talk about it on the internet.
You have a lot to learn, I did my fair share of stupid things and got in trouble more than enough trouble but I was a good enough Marine and cared enough about my country that I knew not to talk about anything we did, weather it was t.s. or not. That includes my job or where my friends unit just got shipped of to or how many people in my unit. I followed the rules of opsec.
The reality is that what you said will probably not cause any harm but the PERSONALITY that you cary around and the attitude that you protray tells me that you will mess up again and probably in a bigger way than this.
As far as joining to kill people...probably a good thing that you didn't tell anyone about that before you got in or you probably wouldn't be in at all. The military likes stable people and someone that wants to kill people is not stable.
You lake self confidence, discipline, common sence,judgement and you are weak. You are not the same calibre of military men and women that I know and respect. Stay in your little hole. |
jbone
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 06:33 pm: |
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I realize this is a little late but I didnt realize sarcasm was illegal (law enforcement in these parts dont take sarcasm lightly)
UP YOURS TODD... better watch your tone boy !! You never know when your messing with a pig with an inferiority complex. I suspect about a 50 / 50 chance. |
Todd Sanders (Sanderskog)
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 07:50 pm: |
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What's your point? Guess I don't understand the hostility or your point.
While we are on the topic of going "up things" I'd be curious what crawled up your  .
Todd |
TPH (Snowman)
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 08:10 pm: |
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And the love continues to flow once again on the dweb... |
Todd Sanders (Sanderskog)
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 10:33 pm: |
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I hear you Snowman. The response is not typical for me but I've got to say, I truly don't understand where this came from or why.
I guess I just don't see what's wrong with the comment .
Best advice, be humble. When the officer asked if you'd do it on I-5 the better answer would have been "no" with an apology. My guess is you would have gotten off a lot easier. Law enforcement in these parts don't take sarcasm lightly.
Oh, well. You try to give someone some advice on how to deal with the small town police on the Peninsula/Coast and looks what you get  .
Todd |
TPH (Snowman)
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 10:56 pm: |
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Hey Todd-
No flame intended on my part. I found the whole thread quite enjoyable and I agree with all your comments. Certainly being humble is always the best policy communicating with any law enforcement officer, they have a tough enough job. I believe the whole thing comes down to youthful fortitude gone amuck!
S- |
KJ
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 11:32 pm: |
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Hey Todd,
I didn't get it either. Maybe it was bad eggnog talkin'?
Karen ;) |
Ron
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 11:51 pm: |
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""How many teens out there don't smart off? That's how my generation is."
I like this guy. He knows whats going on.
The bastards at my high school made us all take the asvabs. I ended up taking them twice. The first time I got what I was told was a perfect score. They implied I cheated and made me take them again (they were upset, I was really pissed because I saw it as them forcing us to take the test and now I had to take it again), I did, and I got every question wrong. No one saw the humor in it except me. Didn't matter I was not going the military. If I was not disqualified for medical reasons I would have been section f
Ron |
Ramsay (3toedsloth)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 03:50 am: |
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I'm in your generation.
I don't 'smart off'.
I don't know you.
I still don't like you.
Please stop staining my life.
Please stop staining 'our' generation.
Please stop breathing.
Thanks.
John R.C. Ramsay
age:19 |
scott hodges (Sugarlandman)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 09:51 am: |
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I generally don't post messages to this board, but I would strongly agree with Brian Friend. Jason you are a security risk to yourself and those around you. Someone could easily track you down and make your life and the lives of those Officers and Enlisted you serve with quite unbearable. For exmaple, you could easily be trailed and the wrong people could easily piece together information that they don't need to know based on your everyday moves and actions. Like when you head to an installation and when you leave. Which could perhaps be some indication of preemtive action on the part of the US Military. Who knows what else, the simple fact is given the current geopolitical enviorment and the current OPSEC, you really have no need to advertise in a public forum your MOS and any details pertaining to the MOS.
CPT Hodges |
Glenn Guinto (Glenn)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 10:24 am: |
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I think I saw this guy Jason before. That's right in the movie True Lies with Arrr-nold. He plays the "love interest" of Jamie Lee.... hehehe Oh but that guy is a little too old.
-glenn |
L_Tilly
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 12:25 pm: |
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Awsome message, Scott. I worked on an airborne Joint Chiefs platform managed by the Air Force(anyone heard of the E4B NEACP / NAOC / Nightwatch?) for eight years in the AF. The kind of things you and a few other armed-services members have pointed out were drilled into our heads constantly.
Being a SIOP platform, every movement of our aircraft was classified until the moment the wheels hit the ground, even if it was just to hostile Indiana. But I can't tell you how many times we would be in the BX the day before an alert move and you would hear people talk about hitting the NCO club that night at Grissom AFB, or what movie was showing at the Barksdale base theater, etc. We even had one Navy LT (no offense to any particular branch, just being specific) that got kicked out of the assignment and sent back to his post because he was booking tee-times prior to a move to England. Based on his conversation someone listening in knew what day we were going to arrive and even had a pretty good idea of the actual time.
Security is everyone's business. Talking smack or having someone stroke your ego at your favorite bar are two of the easiest ways of getting some of those little pieces of information that could confirm someone else's little piece of information. There is an entire Congressional investigation going on right now asking "why didn't we know about 9/11 in advance." And you know some of the things they are finding are simply little fragments such as who travelled when on what day, who talked to who in what order, etc. None of those are classified. None of those are even things many people think twice about. But you know, if enough of those little pieces of "public knowledge" were put together 9/11 might have gone much differently, or even been a non-issue. Anyone complacent enough to think there are no more enemies, or that those enemies don't know / don't care about the little things we say or do should not be trusted with that level of information. Remember, Top Secret is defined as information that could cause grave harm to the nation should it be compromised. The use of the term "grave harm" should not be taken lightly.
Oh, and just to keep this vaguely on-topic: Don't drive your Rover thru saltwater...it'll rust.
Lawrence lnctilly@metrocast.net
96 Disco - Beowulf - NH, USA |
KJ
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 12:38 pm: |
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Lawrence,
My dad was in Nightwatch for several years out of Andrews. He was pretty tight-lipped about things, at least at home.
Karen |
Todd Sanders (Sanderskog)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 12:43 pm: |
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Come on guys, go easy on him. Jason's lack of focus on security is not his fault. He said it himself, "That's how my generation is."
Guess this applies to many things...
Before the younger board members  me please know I am joking.
Todd
Why is it I feel old after writing this? I'm only 31! |
L_Tilly
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 12:56 pm: |
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Way cool, Karen. I've met so few people involved with or familiar with the community since I left in '96. Was he AF or one of the other branches (one of my favorite parts of the job was interacting with members of every branch)?
If he was involved while the cold war was still warm then I'm sure he was very tight lipped. When Strategic Air Command went away and (sarcasm:on) love was breaking out across the world (sarcasm:off) there were some changes bringing it out of the shadow a little. For example we started working with FEMA during natural disasters. The communications equipment we carried allowed us to get into a devestated area and serve as a command post for a few days until the FEMA ground teams could arrive. Proved very effective after the hurricanes that trashed the Carribean and south FL in the mid-90s.
-Lawrence |
KJ
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 01:35 pm: |
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Lawrence,
He was in SAC, too. He was in the AF, but predated you by a couple decades. He retired in the mid-70's, so the cold war was very much still on. Most of the time we knew where he was, or at least we thought we did! (G) I had so many tours of Air Force One and Two, I can't tell you. He flew all the wheels, and we heard a lot about who he'd flown. Reagan gave him a couple of bottles of California wine when he flew him as a Govenor. I got some cool souvenirs like autographed pictures of astronauts, back when we revered them. It was an interesting childhood.
Karen |
L_Tilly
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I was stationed out in Omaha, NE (woo hoo!) but we visited Andrews a lot. I was in almost entirely during the Clinton reign and I don't think he ever set foot on our plane. First President to stiff us (no pun intended) in 30 years of service. We did play taxi driver to the Secretary of Defense on a few occassions though. One of my fav items from my time in is a pic of me and three of my crewmates with SecDef Perry on our way back from 24hrs in Switzerland. It's a pretty cheezy posed pic but heck...how many people have a shot of them with a major political figure hanging on their wall.  I had a chance to meet Senator Glenn one time in Ohio but we had to bug out due to weather. I was SO bummed the whole flight back.
Lawrence |
Chris Marcel (Gumarcel)
| | Posted on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 11:23 pm: |
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Ron
I am 18 and I am one who does not smart off to adults. That is what was taught to me, probobly because I am the child of 2 Ex-Army officers, my father which was a ranger. Most of of my friends and people I know don't smart off to adults. So I think generations are different, everyone I know in my school are respectful of adults, for the most part...
Chris |
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