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Author Message   Prescottj (Prescottj) Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 08:50 pm:    went and did some wheelin with a friend of mine that has a new mercedes G-wagon no mods. he killed my 02 range rover with no mods. Now i'm thinking about trading it in for a defender. what is the newest 110 i can get? I wanna show him up big time. there was mutiple times today there was trails my rover couldn't do and his truck was all over. Then i thought maybe he is a way better driver so i tried with his truck and did the ones i could'nt do in my rover. Now he wants to put rover recovery vehicle sticker on his g-wagon. need to find a 110 quick help P.S. anyone in the Sedona Area? prescottj   KJ Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 08:52 pm:    Uh-oh....I think you're gonna have to start a "Spoiled Brat" thread for yourself...... Karen   Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 08:59 pm:    hmmm... newest D110 would be a 1993 since you live in the US. And even a new 110 stock may not beat a G stock due to the lockers on the G. Learn your vehicle and what it can do before going out to buy another. Might want to talk to Bill at www.bb4wa.com too.   Prescottj (Prescottj) Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 09:05 pm:    I'm going to due some serious research on this. Don't want to touch the range rover becuase way to compilcated. thanks for the advice ill check out the website   Prescottj (Prescottj) Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 09:18 pm:    karen, yes my wife does let me spoil myself. just gotta make sure to give her diamond earrings before she notices the new land rover in the driveway Prescottj   Pugsly (Pugsly) Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 10:24 pm:    Prescottj - If a G-wagon beat a RR, you should consider a course like Al has recommended. It could be that some hands on training in how to get the best out of the RR could change your mind! www.bb4wa.com   Carter Simcoe (Carter) Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 10:38 pm:    Ohhh lord.....   KJ Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 10:55 pm:    Would you like to expand upon that, Carter? LOL! Prescottj, Those had better be some beeeeg diamond earrings in exchange for your $$$$ habits! Karen   Carter Simcoe (Carter) Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 10:59 pm:    Nah   KJ Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 11:01 pm:    Coward....   Carter Simcoe (Carter) Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 11:11 pm:    Either I say "yeah you need a new truck to show up your friend" and I'm the stupid spoiled rich college guy who thinks money can buy everything or I say "You need to learn to use the capable truck you allready have" and then I'm stupid spoiled college guy with no money trying to tell others how to spend theirs. I'm a loser either way   MTB Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 11:20 pm:    Why do you think a 110 will beat your friends G-wagon. chances are he will still beat you, what kind of trails were you having problems with. maybe it was your tires or not to insult your driving "but" The RR should have been able to keep up pending on the trails, I will put my $$ on tires and skill level being the problem not the RR.   KJ Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 11:21 pm:    Goddamn Carter, you're easy, too! LOL! Game, but easy. Now, get over to that other thread you started and edit that pic down so we can see what you're talking about. Rich brat. Karen   Carter Simcoe (Carter) Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 12:02 am:    yep, rich brat, thats me. Now get out of the way of my $90K truck   Max Thomason (Lrmax) Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 12:22 am:    Prescott, I used to have a lot of trouble with my rig. The problem was that the truck was up to the challenge, the major malfunction was me. Once I learned what the truck liked and didn't like, it became a totally different beast off road. I do believe that the RR has ETC, if you work with the ETC I am pretty sure you can make it work good for you. Also, a good set of Mud tires makes the world of difference. Go get em'! Max T.   JC Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 01:13 am:    This thread scares me... terribly -Jon   Pugsly (Pugsly) Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 01:31 am:    I have a late model RR with ETC - it does definitely take some getting used to, very different driving style required. Also, if you don't go at obstacles correctly you can totally confuse the computers and the system will work against you not with you. I find the lines and speeds required for P38s and DIIs to be quite different from the prior model LRs.   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 07:46 am:    G500 = 3 factory lockers... RR = Trac Cont... Defender = no lockers and no TC... G500 will walk away from you.. Not sure what year your RR is but, why not get some lockers for it and level the playing field a bit.   gp (Garrett) Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 08:32 am:    i suggest a Freelander. nuf said.   Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 09:28 am:    I thought the late RR had only the rear ETC not all 4 corners like on the D2. Not that the ETC will beat the 3 lockers on the G but that's another flame war Either way picking the right line and other tricks like left foot braking will go a long way.   Pugsly (Pugsly) Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 12:04 pm:    Al, the P38 does have 4 wheel ETC. And if you want to start the flame war we can discuss lockers vs. ETC! Based on my experience, other than heavy duty rock crawling, ETC makes things a lot easier. But you definitely have to figure out how to drive it.   Steve (Steve2) Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 01:58 pm:    preskit j - don't dump the rangie until you get some arb lockers on it, (front and rear) - some good a/t michelin 16's. you will then atleast be on par with the g-wagen in that sense. some light trimming of the bumpers front and rear would also help.... (also been thinking of adapting a snorkel for use in one.....) so with lockers, a snorkel, and adventure rack /ladder combo and some cool lights and you'll be all set!! i think a tricked out rangie is v.v.cool - and possibly my next car. steve   Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 03:47 pm:    Any day Pugsly And by the way I do have an ETC and CDL equipt vehicle so I understand the weaknesses of the ETC but if you think you can keep up lets go   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 06:19 pm:    I think I can Al... Kyle   Zak Ruck (Zak) Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 06:24 pm:    Just get a unimog and run over the Gwagon.   Matt doc175 Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 06:37 pm:    I wish the most difficult choice I had to make was to exchange my RR for a G-wagon. Combine th etwo and you could buy my house   Ron Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 08:35 pm:    32x9.00x 16in tsls and a couple of ARBs and he will look silly in the G Ron   Brad Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 08:35 pm:    You should just get the rangie use the extra what 20 or so grand left in your pocket. use that to modify the rangie then go wheel with your friend you both now spent the same amount of money and see who's is better.   Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 08:52 pm:    Kyle, you think you can what? Are you actually defending ETC now?   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, December 25, 2002 - 10:00 am:    I didnt defend it from the start and still dont right now... You and I both know just how worthless it is...I am just amazed that you managed two posts without bb4wa in them... Kyle   Curtis N (Curtis) Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 02:20 am:    Kyle & Al, Please let us start up the ETC dabate again! ETC rocks when included with a TT & CDL! Oh - hold on - ETC sucks in every other DT configuration. Yes, it can get the average yahoo through an obstacle better than that same yahoo in a D1. However, how relevant in this when we are comparing ourselves to a rig with 3 diff locks like the G. If one were to throw 3 diff locks on a D1 and a D2, the D1 would smoke the D2 due to better departure angles. Who knows who would win over in a Rangie vs. G compaoro, but who cares anyways. Curtis   Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 12:40 am:    Ummm...I take exception to the word "smoke". So my ass bangs and scrapes a little more..."smoke" is too relative a term. A few degrees of increased departure doesn't equal "smoke". -Chris   Curtis N (Curtis) Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 12:54 am:    Chris, I can only assume you live in an area where departure angle does not mean too much. Where I live every little bit really matters. The alternative is bent up body panels - not "my ass bangs and scrapes". Curtis   Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 01:22 am:    Not trying to get into a pissing match but what I was getting at was a common denomanator to clarify your statement "the D1 would smoke the D2 due to better departure angles". I stated that "smoke" is too relative a term and one that is more opinion vs. fact. What I want to know is what "smoke" means to you. Is it going over/through the same obstical? or going over/ through the same obstical with less damage? -Chris P.S. -And yes, departure does mean alot to me. Where do you live?   grant lawson Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 09:38 am:    15 year old G wagens refurbed and detailed$20-25000 cdn. a friend imports them into Vancouver from the fodderland. pretty good off road too. as a matter of fact i thought it would make an excellent expedtion vehicle. the diesel engine and all the romm in back was impressive. ..... i think there will be alot of them around in the future. The US Army and Marines are using them extensivly.(hummer does not fit into a chinnook helocopter) for special(ized) units. And the cdn army is looking at possibly an order of excess of 1000 units. Watch for the influx. I like my disco, but would love to jazz up at gwagen for camping.   Curtis N (Curtis) Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 12:39 pm:    "Smoke" is the correct and substantiated term. This is fact and not opinion. It is a strong term - I will give you that. To most it will not even matter. However, measure the angles yourself. I live in Utah. I drive a D2. I wheel with D1's so my opinion is not biased. I WISH the D2 was as good as the D1. The reality is that if you lock and lift both up, the D1 is better than the D2 off road. You can call that: smoked, beat, kicked its ass, or whatever you want Curtis   Chu Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 01:42 pm:    Any idea what the stock departure angle of the D1 is? I think they got the d2 at 25 deg. That's probably with SLS. Sounds like you need a little trimming on that rear end Curtis. chu   adtoolco Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 04:03 pm:    Ok, Thats what I was looking for, rock crawling. I agree with your assesment with the variables you describe. Hopefully I can get some first hand knowledge on Utah trails someday. For now New England trails are a challenge enough for me. -Chris   Curtis N (Curtis) Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 04:11 pm:    Chu, Hehehehahaha! (with evil smile) I have plans my friend. Yes I do. However, I do not have the time to implement them yet. Once I get past my garage modification (raised insulated cieling and heat), I will turn to butchering my rig up Were there any d1's in your recent BB trip? Chris: Only some of what I do is rock crawling. The D2's departure angle has not been too much of a liability there because there are typically different approach path options. The mointain trails are a different story. Curtis   Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 05:42 pm:    Do I post Bill Burke's site that often? I just point people to where they can get help. At least I'm not pointing people here to Bill W's site   Curtis N (Curtis) Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 11:04 pm:    Al, Why not? It sounds like a few people around here will end up meeting Bill W sooner or later if not already Curtis   Will Bobbitt (Rkores) Posted on Saturday, December 28, 2002 - 12:14 am:    Who is Bill W.?   Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Posted on Saturday, December 28, 2002 - 08:20 am:    Will... here is a link to Bill W's web site.... http://www.aa.org/ There, I did it.   Will Bobbitt (Rkores) Posted on Saturday, December 28, 2002 - 08:27 am:    Hahaha, well I am sure you know that site well... Will   Peter Bullock (Downunderdisco) Posted on Saturday, December 28, 2002 - 10:26 am:    Prescott, Drop your Rover in at the local off road shop and have lockers fitted front and rear. (does the RR not already have rear LSD?) If you honestly feel it wasnt your driving that let you down or lack of familiarity with the the RR, at least then youll be on even ground. The G probably has better approach and departure angles but not by much. The G would be down on power too I wouild have thought. Try again with lockers and more time in your car. There is no good reason why you shouldnt keep up the G. Wagen. Pete '94 ES   BW Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2002 - 01:42 am:    Hands down . . . lockers work better than ETC. I think the "Hole in the Rock" video allows one to witness the two systems at work over similar terrain and setup. You can watch all the wheel spin and struggle the D2's had that the locked D1's just cruised over. In all my years of getting stuck and getting others unstuck in the bayou's of Louisiana, getting high centered or loosing traction from all the muck was the main reason to get pulled out. Lockers or no lockers, if you don't have traction, your stuck. So, I never truly appreciated the argument over lockers, limited slips and ETC until I moved to Arizona. Here, your not going to get high centered unless your making a really bad decision. I drive a D2 now and can say that with a little practice and patience ETC does a really good job but it doesn't compare with lockers. Of course, after a year of scaling the canyon walls in Arizona I became immune to the thought of getting stuck. It took a little southern Alabama mud to remind me getting high centered still conquers all. Thank God for Warn. BW