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Author Message   embassured Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 05:36 pm:    Well - I decided to go on one of my stupid off-raod adventures at a local construction site today. All was going well for the first 45 seconds until I got to a small but unseemingly "deep" ditch. There was only one small area where a crossing was even possible - and, as I found out, it wasn't. Front wheels were over - all is good. Rear wheels go over and the departure angle was too deep. The rear hitch and retractable step dug into the mud effectively reducing my rear traction. Now I'm spinning so I engage the CDL and, at first, thought I had a chance until what seemed like dirt on the incline ahead was really mud and my tread blocks became packed. So here I am with my front bumper pointing up about 5 degrees and my rear shelf stuck in the mud with my rear tires perfectly situated at the bottom of the small ditch - spinning in mud as well. I'm toast. Lucky for me, across the street was a pool construction company with 3 big boy jeeps outside. Man, these guys were great and looking for a challenge! Here come the chains and two jeeps. They couldn't pull me out from behind because there was NO WAY to drag the back end up and over the little cliff. So, we attack from the front with the chains and tow hook. Life is good again but my ego bruised. The jeep guys were great and had a good laugh. Just a quick story to remind all of us that mud and a small ditch (combined with lack of judgement) means getting stuck! Good Luck, Eric   Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 05:53 pm:    Yikes... chains?!   Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith) Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 06:05 pm:    Hell, The reverse happened to me. I got my fronts in slag filled slop with the rears off loaded. I had no real gear with me, so I spent 7 houres digging with a knife and trying various traction aides. I finally dug far enough under to find out that my transmission cross-member had pulverized a rock and was sitting in the rubble. With the cell out, I hiked two miles until I hit a street and flagged down a (yes, this is true) BMW Z8. I offered the lady a filet and lobster dinner if she let me use her phone. Well, she didn't have one, so she actually let me (covered in dry mud) hop in and have a ride to the service station. When I got there, the guy brought out a flat bed and started winching. I was in there so damn hard the flatbed slid backwards a few feet before the ramp dug into the ground and lurched me out. Damage: 2 alloys 1000$ Flatbed: 50$ Dinner with a beautiful woman who drives a Z8: priceless. Cheers, Kennith   Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 06:21 pm:    why didnt you have your diff locked before you went into the ditch? waht yall think the chance of not getting stuck woulda been had the diff been locked?   Carter Simcoe (Carter) Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 07:50 pm:    Thats what you get for trespassing   joe (Joe) Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 10:01 pm:    I gotta go with Phillip on this one. Don't ever got alone and if off-road, put diff lock on. simple as that. Joe   muskyman Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 10:51 pm:    well without pics its hard to know ,but the fact the hitch was hitting I'll bet you hit the ditch to straight on. by crossing a ditch at about 45* as aposed to 90* you will only have 1 tire trying to climb out at a time.   embassured Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 02:26 am:    In hindsight the diff would have been on from the beginning but the ditch looked, dare I say, too easy. The 45* angle was a thought but the left and right of my path chosen looked to steep to cross comfortably. Soooo, I saw this nice narrow, seemingly shallow, crossing that I thought I could attack head-on. Would I have had a shot if the the diff. had been locked? I answer with a tenative maybe. The problem was that my rear only had, at best, 50% of the normal weight it should had been carrying due to my rear shelf hung up on the edge of the ditch. Like I said the 5* hill ahead of me was all mud. Put it this way, I wouldn't do it again even if my diff was locked from the get go. The Z8 story truly is priceless! Oh the lessons we learn while having fun! Eric   Greg French (Gregfrench) Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 10:02 am:    Don't feel bad, Eric...I got pulled by a jeep yesterday, too. But we went out together with the intention of getting stuck.   Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith) Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 10:39 am:    Yeah, I didn't have a CDL, and I did attack it from a 45 degree angle. The only problem occurred when the bank collapsed and I ended up staring at the muddy water creeping up over the hood. Cheers, Kennith   Brian Dickens (Bri) Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 03:27 pm:    Attacking at an angle will also help the departure issues since the entire bumper will not hang at the exact same time. If you do not have lockers also two foot it, using the brake at the same time as the accelerator. As well remember as slow as possible, but only as fast as necessary.   Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith) Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 04:43 pm:    Well, It would have decreased the departure angle a little, but the traction and ramp breakover benefits would have outweighed the losses. I simply misread the ground, as I had every intention of crossing the ditch properly. Lockers all around wouldn't have helped me, I was grounded too hard, however, the capability they add to a truck is amazing. Cheers, Kennith   Aaron Owens (Aaronowens) Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 08:27 pm:    Well, since we're talking stuck here, I'll add two cents. I was pulled out of a mudhole by a 70,000lb bulldozer at midnight this past New Year's Eve. This the last resort after numerous pulls by a Disco, tractor, and a stuck tow truck none of which moved me an inch. Lesson learned, definitely time for a winch. Aaron   Pissedoff Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 01:05 am:    THanks for helping the sport by wheeling in construction sites it makes all look good. If it was me across the street I would have called the police and had you arrested for trespassing. People wonder why shit is getting shut down It is because of people like you.   embassured Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 08:49 am:    Well, in that case, I'm glad it wasn't you across the street. Eric   Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 09:15 am:    Pissedoff, so if I was wheeling at a construction site where I was building my house and got stuck you would have called the cops on me. The cops would have spent time and tax payer dollars trying to find out I was not tresspassing and had permission from the builder to check out MY lot. hmmm... okay. I'm not saying that was the case with Eric but we shouldn't be quick to jump and call cops unless there is actuall property damage being done or you know for a fact that the person was in the wrong.   Carter Simcoe (Carter) Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 09:20 am:    When he describes the place as "a local construction site" instead of "a piece of land I am building something on" it really makes it sound like he doesn't own it, but just to get the record straight did you own the construction site or have permision to use it Eric?   Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 09:29 am:    I'm not advocating wheeling on private land without permission. I understand that it makes us look bad. But false alarms put into the police department also puts a strain on the police force and tax payer dollars. But then again the police in my area also walking into bars and arresting people for being drunk in public but that's another story and maybe a sign that they have nothing better to do and maybe should camp out at construction sites before more funding gets cut.   B-Mc (Mcartist) Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 12:00 pm:      Clif Ashley (Cta586) Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 12:22 pm:    Wow, thats cool.   B-Mc (Mcartist) Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 12:58 pm:    im bored today   Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith) Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 01:07 pm:    I was on my own private land in NC. My stupid ass knew there were no phones around, too. Cheers, Kennith   Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 01:08 pm:    That Disco looks like a D2. I think Eric has a D1.   Aaron Owens (Aaronowens) Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 01:13 pm:    I had permission in my case and they were building a pond. I wouldn't go in a construction site where a building was going up. Lots of trash and nails that could ruin your day. What is the suspension setup on that green disco? Must be a stiff ride.   embassured Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 05:28 pm:    Absolutely no permission - but no "private land" or "no tresspassing signs" either. If there had been, I would not have gone. That being said, it was a local development for a large, already cleared, strip mall/housing development. Just gravel path, ditch surrounding the property, and cleared land. Now I'm not going to claim ignorance by saying - "well hey, there were no signs so it must have been legal to go out there." I knew exactly what I was doing. At the same time, if I had made it to the clearing I simply would have travelled the 1/2 mile to see the end of the property and where the associated town homes were going to be placed. BTW, if I had been "caught" they certainly wouldn't have seen me spinning wheels or doing doughnuts in mud holes or tearing up and down hills. That's something that was better left to my youth when I had very little feel for what these things cost to regrade. Pissedoff, your absolutely correct but your comment sounded a touch abrasive - my opinion only. But assuming that you've never done anything so "destructive" to anything, anywhere, ever before, I'll stand corrected and thank you for your words of wisdom. BTW, the jeep pulling the Disco is really cool and yes, I've got a D1. Have fun - don't get stuck... Eric   charlie Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 07:39 pm:    For construction sites, there may be insurance issue involve. Not your auto insurance, but the contractor/construction managment firm's insurance. You know, some assholes get hurt playing in construction sites and then sue the contractor/construction management firm for not putting up signs and secure the area. Also, construction sites maybe more dangerous than on trails. ---Charlie   Carter Simcoe (Carter) Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 07:46 pm:    "Absolutely no permission - but no "private land" or "no tresspassing signs" either. If there had been, I would not have gone." Still doesn't make it legal or right, If you don't own the land or it isn't posted as public then you have no legal right to be there w/ out permission. Just because there is not a "no trespassing" sign in my front yard doesn't mean you wouldn't be trespassing if you drove through it w/ out permission. -Long story short: do us all a favor and next time find out for sure if a place is legal before you wheel on it.   the Big Daddy Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 10:02 pm:    "a touch abrasive".... Its all about the love.. feeling the love   Peter Carey (Pcarey) Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 11:42 pm:    B-Mc, you need to extend that gif a little and show the disco stall after hitting the puddle. pwc   Carter Simcoe (Carter) Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 11:44 pm:    ouch   B-Mc (Mcartist) Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 09:39 am:    better?   muskyman Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 09:53 am:    that proves that adding a snorkle does not a submarine make   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 10:22 am:    you guys sound like a bunch of little old ladies bitching about a price hike on support hose hehehehehe nice gifs though BMC...   discojudge Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 11:59 am:    Eric, whatever you do, don't post about the candy and gum you may or may not have stolen from the local five & dime as a kid...these cats will string you up!   Marc Ingham (Marcingham) Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 12:27 pm:    Actually, boys, I believe that in most states (I can only say NC for sure) it isn't trespassing unless it is posted.   Marc Ingham (Marcingham) Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 12:28 pm:    That said, there may be some destruction of property (real or personal) issues.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 12:57 pm:    please tell us about your bunions   Brian Dickens (Bri) Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 02:40 pm:    Marc, What you say might be true even though I do not believe it. However, making this assumption can get you into some pretty serious trouble and one should never promote that trespassing is OK as long as you have not seen a posting. Besides, maybe you did not see the sign, maybe someone else tore it down, maybe the sign you saw back a mile is still the same property. In the end you are still liable for your actions. If I found someone stuck on my property, the next person they would be talking to would be the Sheriff.   Ethel Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 03:05 pm:    Why, just yesterday Edna told me that this damp weather is making her hemorrhoids flare up somethin fierce.   B-Mc Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 03:32 pm:    and once when I was in band camp...   Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 03:35 pm:    Quote: please tell us about your bunions Since you insist blue...here you go... -glenn The power of GOOGLE!!!   Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 03:38 pm:    damn... let's try again...   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 03:49 pm:    man I love the internet   Brian Dickens (Bri) Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 08:47 pm:      RJ Clayton (Tozovr) Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 02:02 pm:    I think the point is, is when you trespass to wheel you make all of us look like assholes. When it comes time for trail closures and land closures, that's one of the BIG cards they play. RJ   muskyman Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 02:22 pm:    yep thats the truth and in some states such as where I live it dosent need to be posted. plus there is a property forfiture law that allows someone to sieze property that has been left on private property. so when a construction company A parks a Dozer on a property B and knowingly leaves there property there they are then risking forfiture of that property. so go get stuck in a farmers land and you may lose your truck! they do have provisions if the property has a lien against it such as a finianced car or if the vehicle was stolen but either way its paper work and lawyers. one more thing, doing damage of over $500 on private land is a felonie in this state. it dosent take many ruts to cost $500 with a landscaper so that pretty much says "IF YOU DONT KNOW DONT GO"   craigd Posted on Friday, January 24, 2003 - 12:24 am:    All right already, lighten up! You all sound like a bunch of tree huggin yuppie shmucks. Every time someone says something you might not love just bite yer damn lip.(please) A guy makes a funny little post and eveyone is analyzing and chastizing...gimme a break. Any of you all attain a life of perfection yet?? All right then cut the freakin holyer than thou preachin! And Eric...you have to watch your choice of words and every little nuance around these politically correct elitist schmucks...they just can't take the truth...and they'll never be able to admit they too may have found themselves someplace they maybe should'nt have been at least once in their life. Ok already, I'm teasin y'all...but how bout everybody lightening up a tad...ok?   Carter Simcoe (Carter) Posted on Friday, January 24, 2003 - 12:35 am:    craigd, When one of your favorite trails gets shut down you get a new perspective.