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lab0302
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 11:19 pm: | 
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Need help? I've got a 95 Rangie SWB. Just got a lift jack the other day, and I'm stumped where to jack the vehicle from. Any where I've tried, the frame only raises, due to the air suspension. I know w/ the original issued jack, you have to jack the vehicle from certain points underneath. Well of course the lift jack doesn't fit that far under the vehicle. Any assistance is appreciated. |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 11:55 pm: |
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So why did you buy it then?
Untill you get sliders or an aftermarket bumper the only place you can use it is the trailer hitch and even then it isn't good, lifting wise, for much besides getting out of muddy ruts. You can also use it for winching, at the risk of sounding like Al go check out www.bb4wa.com to learn more about that.
These things are really dangerous and it always gets worse when people don't really know what they are doing w/ them. ALWAYS make sure the handle is locked in the upright position while using it unless your hands are on it and you are in the process of jacking.
And FWIW they are a great recovery tool but not safe to use for stuff like changing tires (unless it is a real emergency) and don't even thing about crawling under a truck being held up by one. |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 11:57 pm: |
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Oh some guys use the holes in the wheels as a jack point but I'm not sure how I personally feel about that, never tried it or seen it done myself so I will let others who have give their insight on this matter. |
Cesar Unzueta (Lab0302)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 05:30 am: |
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Carter,
I didn't buy the lift jack, was given to me by a friend who sold his Disco. Sounds like I've got a great piece of gear for off roading, but not so great for changing a tire. Looks like it's back to the orginial stock tire jack for changing future flats. Thanks for the info. |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 09:40 am: |
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Didn't mean to jump on you, there are just way to many people around that buy these things because they look cool straped on the side of the truck, they never bother to learn how to use them properly and wind up hurting themselves and others. You did good by coming here asking about it before you wound up doing the same. |
Cesar Unzueta (Lab0302)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 10:16 am: |
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I'm not one of those gear queers that have to have the latest hot accessory for your Landy. I don't do much intentional mud slinging, just enjoy loading up the labs and heading for the outdoors in my Rangie, (i.e. hunting, fishing, & orienteering). Thanks again for the concern and advice on this issue.
R/S,
Cesar |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 10:25 am: |
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No problem but if your hunting and fishing expeditions are anything like mine do be sure to throw the jack in the back, like I was saying earlier it is great for getting out of muddy ruts. Bring a board to place under the jack foot, place the jack in the trailer hitch and lift the back of the truck up untill the tires clear the ruts, make sure the handle is latched and everyone -including dogs- is out of the way, then carefully tip the jack to one side or the other so the truck falls outside of the ruts. This has saved me many times back in the pre-winch days. |
Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 11:48 am: |
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Cesar, you can jack up the wheels using the hi-lift. just run your fingers around the circumference of the rim, you'll see what i mean. I've done it many times. The only precaution (except for mandatory check for never leaving the jack handle in any but upright position) was to slide a roll of paper towels or toilet paper over the jack strut, so it doesn't mangle the bodywork when it moves around.
peter |
Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 11:52 am: |
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Hello Cesar,
good to see another Lab/RR owner. we have 2 yellows that go with us. basically the RR is their kennel on wheels!! if you haven't purchased a rear waterproof seat cover yet, wetoklie is a good option to the LR versions
just to second what Carter has mentioned, a highlift or jackall jack is good piece of recovery gear if used safely. bill burke from the site Carter mentioned has a video called something like "unstuck". it has some good info about using the jack.
although not as bad as a loaded gun, even the experienced have gotten hurt using them.
as a former EAS RR owner before switching to coils, be careful jacking or raising your RR. the EAS is real sensitive and gets out of whack very easily. in this instance, really follow what the owners manual says for disabling it if you're going to raise the vehicle other than with a bottle jack on the axle.
Jaime |
Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 02:41 pm: |
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almost forgot. tip on changing a tire with a jackall or highlift. you need to strap the axle to the chassis. I go around the top of the spring perch and around the axle with one of those
ratchet tie down straps. I'm lifting on my sliders.
Jaime |
Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 02:47 pm: |
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Quote:not as bad as a loaded gun
Jaime, have you heard of a guy who lost his eye during some of the East Coast rallies last year?
peter |
Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 03:11 pm: |
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yep, it was in Maine. and a very experienced individual. was in the hospital for awhile over it also. really shows what can happen.
get your point though, yet, still think a loaded gun is more dangerous if you're not careful.
either case - both could be deadly if not used safely.
Jaime |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 03:59 pm: |
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yeah if you want to get anal a loaded gun would kill you or at the very least cause severe brain damage not just take out the eye. But yes that was a VERY scary story w/ the part about his wife and kid having to watch it happen being especially disturbing. |
Cesar Unzueta (Lab0302)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 11:43 pm: |
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Well gents, I can't say thanks enough for all the guidance!! I'm excited to know that this message board can be a great asset for fellow Rover enthusiasts. I'll definitely spread the word.
Take care,
Cesar |
Cesar Unzueta (Lab0302)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 11:48 pm: |
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Jaime,
Thanks for the tip on seat covers. I've got two labs, a yella & a chocolate. And like your Rover, mine also is our crate on wheels. I'm a Marine stationed in VA, but orginally from Fl. We travel home quite often so the dogs are real use to being in the Rangie. I don't have a seat cover for my back seats. I just keep em' folded up all the time, giving the dogs as much room as possible. I have one of the load space durable mats, that has saved me several times, from the all but usual wet muddy lab! Thanks again.
Cesar |
Cesar Unzueta (Lab0302)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 11:52 pm: |
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Peter thanks for the tips. From everyone's advice, these things definitely shouldn't be employed by the amatuer user. Guess I'll stick to the bottle jack for standard tire changes. Anyone in the market for a Hi-Lift? JK.
Thanks.... |
Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
| | Posted on Friday, January 24, 2003 - 04:25 pm: |
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Cesar,
hold on to your hi-lift. It IS a very valuable tool, for hundreds of various uses; the point was that one needs to think before doing something with it. The case we mentioned with a person losing an eye due to it - I believe it happened in a hurry in the midst of a recovery, things tend to get sketchy and many safety rules overlooked.
for instance, three weeks ago I've used my brother's hi-lift to get granite crumble from between his tire bead and the rim. I could do it using some other tricks, but Hi-Lift was the most convenient.
peter |
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