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Ned Connolly (Roverned)
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 11:07 am: | 
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I've found my current rear setup (OME N76) to be too soft, so I'm looking to upgrade/improve.
Anyone running the 14" Bilstein 7100 remote resevoir shocks with 360/80 valving?
I'm looking for opinions and, assuming there's positive feedback, trying to guesstimate what I'm going to need to mount them as far as shock mounts... Rockware uppers, Rovertym lowers, etc... I already have the RTE lowers so hopefully I'm half-way there. |
perroneford
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 12:30 pm: |
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The owner of RoverTym is already running this setup. Contact him.
-P |
Will Roeder
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 12:50 pm: |
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FWIW, last time I talked to him, he was running a 12 inch shock still..but it was the Bilstein 7100 shock.
Ned, how much lift are you running? you may want to consider sticking with the 12 inch shock. Last time i talked to john (RTE), he said that with a 3 inch lift, a 14 inch shock will bottom out too much.
Right now, I have the 12 inch shock, and 3 inches of lift, and do occasionally have some slight bottoming-out. Once I add some 1 " or 1.5" spacers, i may consider the 14 inch shock though. |
Ned Connolly (Roverned)
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 02:20 pm: |
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Thanks for the info guys. I didn't know John (RTE) was running this setup.
Right now I've got OME HDs (751s front, 762s rear) but was thinking of adding spacers/switching to taller RTE springs.
I'll give John a call and see what he thinks.
Thanks again. |
Ned Connolly (Roverned)
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 02:25 pm: |
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Think Rockware's upper shock mount would give me the extra room needed to prevent bottoming out? Looks like Rockware's might start the shock up higher than RTE. I know their setup is to accomodate the tallest Ranchos so maybe it would be overkill? |
John Cinquegrana (Johnc)
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 02:37 pm: |
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Funny thing, when I mentioned spacers in another thread everybody jumped on me.... must be me.. |
Mike Carino (Mikec)
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 02:47 pm: |
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Hey Ned,
I'm in the process of doing my lift and I am using 7100's. I talked to John @ rovertyme and he assured me that with his 3in springs, that a 10in 7100 would be fine. I posted about a week ago on the valving and I am going with 360/80 all around and may down the road beef that back valving up to 400/100. Darrel Mauzy who is on this site has done the setup with 7100's and has worked through the setup. I think he is running OME springs as well. You might want to e-mail him and ask him how it is going. The last time I talked to him, he said that the setup was great. Take a look at his photo gallery.
Mike |
Jroc (Jroc)
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 07:19 pm: |
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Hey John, it's your cologne! Sorry I haven't gotten back to you, how was the run sunday? Hope all went well, I'll talk to ya soon. |
Keith Kreutzer (Revor)
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 11:05 pm: |
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Relative to the shocks. I am running a set on my CJ7.. When I changed from RS9000's it seriously felt like I'd hopped into a Trophy truck! Soft and supple when needed, and handling high speed bumps like a champ!. Crawling is easier now too as there is no more wallowing on big rocks and side hills, just control.. I can't wait to save up for another set! For the Disco of course! |
John Cinquegrana (Johnc)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 08:10 am: |
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Keith, what size lift you running on the CJ? What size shock did you get? I have the R5000s on my CJ and it rides like shit.. maybe I should look into the Bilsteins...
JROc, you mean you don't like my Old Spice toilet water? Where you been? Making porn movies still??? |
Keith Kreutzer (Revor)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 10:34 pm: |
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I't kind of a custom setup... I'm using custom 6" longer than stock springs in the front and 4" longer than stock in the rear. It's a spring over axle setup I get about 20+ travel inches at the outside of the tire and it will lift a tire about 42" before one of the others comes off the ground on 36's.. it's about a 6+" lift.I've built many Jeep suspensions and spring over has been the biggest pita, so if you're not in the mood to mess with the springs alot keep you're axles over the springs.. Depending on what you want to do with your Jeep the Super lift 4" (soft) kit is nice and you could make use of the 7100's to control the soft springs... The question remains what do you want it to do? E Mail me off board so we don't bore the coils off these guys  |
Ned Connolly (Roverned)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 10:45 am: |
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Update:
Just plunked down for RTE 3" springs and upper and lower shock mounts.
I already had RTE lower shock mounts, but the bracket needs to be switched around for the Bilsteins, so John (at RTE) is fabbing a new set to do the job. Free of charge, and he doesn't even want the old set back!
Now that, my fellow DWebbers, is customer service.
I still may need to space down the lower mounts an inch or add spring spacers to accomodate the Bilstein 7100s but John thought I should hold off for now as I may not need the extra space.
Watch the classifieds soon for: (2) 751 Old Man Emu HD springs (5k on both); (2) 762 Old Man Emu HD springs (9k on both); (2) N76 Old Man Emu shocks (5k on both); (2) Rovertym rear lower shock mounts (5k on one, 2k on other). |
perroneford
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 04:29 pm: |
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That's why we willingly pay what John asks. I still think he is the best vendor in the business for the stuff he carries. Welcome to the club and spread the word about RTE.
-P |
Ned Connolly (Roverned)
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:32 am: |
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Hey Mike Carino-
Why are you possibly upping the rear valving to 400/100? Are you carrying a lot of weight in the rear?
I just got some totally different info from a guy at eshocks. He recommended I go with the softer 255/70 valving in the rear and possibly 360/80 upfront, seeing how the bulk of the weight is up front with the engine.
He said for moderate rockcrawling, trailriding and things like that you want to go towards softer, more responsive valving. And that too stiff valving will make it ride like a tank onroad.
Now granted, I don't think he knew the weight of a Disco offhand (neither do I) so his opinions may be way off base for a Disco. But from everything this guy was saying, it sounds like all factors lead to softer valving.
I haven't ordered the shocks yet 'cause now I'm totally confused. Any opinions would be greatl appreciated. |
perroneford
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 12:32 pm: |
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Ned,
That guy didn't know anything about Rovers. The bulk of weight in our trucks is NOT in the front with the engine. This is why your stock rear springs are significanly heavier than the rears. The Rangie came sprung with 155/180 f/r and the disco closer to 180/210 f/r.
He's right in that you don't want to over-valve, but valving of the shocks is NOT proportional to truck weight, it's proportional to spring rate.
-P |
Mike Carino (Mikec)
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 02:19 pm: |
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Ned, that is where I bought my shock from and they told me the same thing, use the 255/70 valving. But like I said earlier, I was a little leary about putting such a soft valve stack back there since I'll be using rovertyme springs. I talked to Darrel (he runs 7100's with OME springs)and luckily he knows someone that works @ Bilstein in their off-road r&d and he did the custom valving for him on his 7100's. According to Darrel, he really likes the ride and his pictures do say alot about the flex of his rig. I ordered the 360/80 for all around and see how I like the ride. If I feel it needs to be improved, I'll redo the valving to 400/100.
Glad someone else went to eshock. They had great pricing and shipping was free, plus they had them in stock. Can't beat that!
Mike |
Ned Connolly (Roverned)
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 05:10 pm: |
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Yeah my local Rover mechanic said the guy at eshocks probably wasn't aware that a Disco weighs over 5,000 lbs. (neither was I!). He thought the stiffer 360/80 would be solid. As did a buddy in KC who runs them on his D90. Though he thought, in theory, the 275/78 option would be very similar on compression but quicker on extension.
Hmmm... I think I'll just go with the 360/80s.
Thanks for all the input guys. |
Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 05:17 pm: |
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Is there a website for eshocks?
What do they want for a 7100 w/resorvoir? |
lance
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 12:39 am: |
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I run the 360/80 on the rear with a 12 inch travel 6100 shock it rides pretty good but the shocks make some noise |
Mike Carino (Mikec)
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 11:10 am: |
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Will,
it is www.eshocks.com. I paid 170.00 per shock and the shipping was free ( promotion right now on orders over 200.00). I liked the fact that they have a huge selection of Bilsteins and most are in stock. Very friendly folks and easy to use on-line ordering system. I can let you know more when I get my order. Should be either Friday or Monday.
Mike |
Ned Connolly (Roverned)
| | Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 03:16 pm: |
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Lance-
What kind of noise? |
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