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Greg French (Gregfrench)
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 08:02 pm: | 
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I just heard that they are ticketing people who let their vehicles run without anyone in it.
Nice law...especially on these cold mornings!
How many of you are guilty of this horrible crime?
Are you one of these lawbreakers who goes out in the morning and starts up your car when it is cold, then goes back inside; allowing your vehicle (God Forbid) warm up so your drive will be a little more temperate? Be warned...the men in blue are coming for you!
Am I missing something here? |
Bill M. (Circekat)
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 08:07 pm: |
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Worst part is that in Orangeburg county there isn't even a decent Krispy Kreme store for them to go to at 6:00AM so they can be off of the streets!!!
Bill M. |
John Cinquegrana (Johnc)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 08:06 am: |
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There is a "ten minute idle law" here in NY. You can't leave your vehicle idling for more than ten minutes (doesn't matter if your are in it or not). Sounds kinda stupid since you might be stopped at a light or traffic for more than ten minutes..... fortunately they don't enforce it much... I say "much" because the other day I was up on Broadway and Exchange Place and this limo driver was parked waiting for a customer when a cop in one of those 3 wheel scooters comes up to him and gives him a ticket. Tickets in NY are now $100 or something like that... The driver told the cop he would move but the cop said it was too late....
Welcome to the Big Apple!!!! |
John Kruger (Johnnyk)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 08:29 am: |
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A local woman had her car stolen on Super Bowl sunday, it was warming up outside a bar. When the police arrived, she was given a 67$ ticket for leaving her keys in the car. I guess it is illegal to leave your keys in your car on city streets in La Crosse, WI. The local news mentioned this is quite common in most municipalities.
John
www.teampb.com) |
Tom Rowe
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 10:46 am: |
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Good for SC!
I hate my neighborhood in the wee hours of cold mornings. All the wimpy ignorant people idling their cars. Cars pollute the most when idling, and especially on cold starts. In fact, it is actually harder on your engine to let it idle to operating temp than to drive it.
Unless it's aircooled one minute at idle then driving gently until normal temp is the best for engine longevity.
As for being stuck at a light, traffic, train crossing...it's actually to your advantage to turn the car off (unless of course you have a problem starting it) if you are going to be sitting for more than about a minute. It takes about one minute of fuel at idle to start a warmed up vehicle.
Yes, I'm in GA now, but I lived in VT and had many subzero mornings, I remember wel the creaks and groans starting out in the morning.
I mean the Rover's, not mine ;-) |
Paul Grant (Paulgrant)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 10:59 am: |
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Tom, I have to be the contrarian here because my Rovers have carburetors and according to Tom and Ray (Click and Clack) from Car Talk it is more efficient to let my trucks idle rather than restart them. In a funny bit they had on a few weeks ago they finally agreed that the cut off point for fuel efficiency was four minutes! I guess the reason why some people today leave their cars running while they get gas, despite the warning signs posted at the pump, is a through back to the days of carburetted cars. They also agreed that there was no benefit to be gained from either warming up or idling a modern fuel injected car. So you're really right, EXCEPT when it comes to me! LOL |
Tom Rowe
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 12:09 pm: |
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LOL Ok...four minutes when waiting for the train...but still better to not idle till warm a carb equiped car.
So there :-P
As for warning signs at the pumps, ever notice how many people chat on their cell phone and pump gas? Or for that matter smoke and pump gas? |
Greg French (Gregfrench)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 08:56 pm: |
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I always heard that if you took off without first warming up your vehicle it could cause the metal to expand unevenly and cause some pretty serious damage...
Plus- A warm car in the morning is SO much nicer than a cold one.
Kinda like putting on underware fresh out of the dryer on a winter morning...or peeing in your wetsuit.
Warms you up all over. |
Clif Ashley (Cta586)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 10:45 pm: |
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Same law applies in Kansas. It was an issue made public on the news, and when the police cheifs were interviewed, they all stated that there would not be any tickets written for this. However, warnings might be issued due to the high rate of theft common with this activity. In Missouri the law only applies when cars are left idling on public streets. |
Tom Rowe
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 11:59 am: |
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Greg..the real answer is "it depends"
If you are a hot rodder, like so many people it seems, then yes, it is hard on the engine. But in my original post, I said warm about 1 minute, then drive genltly till operating temp. Actually until you see the temp guage start to rise.
Cheers |
Bill M. (Circekat)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 06:54 pm: |
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FWIW, I am a volunteer firefighter; obviously having a warm up time is not an option all of the time. I do tend to drive a bit more conservatively on those late night runs, mostly because of the deer in this state. |
Tom Rowe
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 08:21 pm: |
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Bill...yes, I was in the same boat. As a firefighter we made/make the choice to put others' welfare above ours. That goes for our vehicles as well of course.
Cheers.
"Firefighters still make house calls" |
Ron
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 09:40 pm: |
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Last time my disco idled it threw a P125 (no warm up water temp code).
That will teach me!
Ron |
Greg French (Gregfrench)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 02:31 pm: |
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Makes sense.
We're just whimps down here where it is big news if the temp drops below 40 degrees. |
Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 04:09 pm: |
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"Unless it's aircooled one minute at idle then driving gently until normal temp is the best for engine longevity."
And this is based upon what experience may I ask??
Personally follow this process:
"Its definaately better to warm it up for many reasons. Just a few are ...
Oil Circulation , warm oil circulates better.
Aluminum motor with some age and piston slap gets tighter once its a little warm..
Firing up most any injected engine and just slamming it into gear before it has settled down a bit will get it all freaked out as to what the base idle should be." KVT
Has worked well for me for many years and the above explains why.
Jaime |
Tom Rowe
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 08:28 am: |
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Well, personal experience for one. Also, all writings I've read over the years by people respected in the automotive field have said the same.
"Oil Circulation , warm oil circulates better."
Oil circulates better in an engine under load and reving at above idle. Take note of your oil pressure at idle vs when driving.
"Aluminum motor with some age and piston slap gets tighter once its a little warm."
I was specifically addressing normal engines. If an engine has problems, all bets are off. But in any case, engines warm quicker when under load.
"Firing up most any injected engine and just slamming it into gear before it has settled down a bit will get it all freaked out as to what the base idle should be."
Well, "slamming" is the key word here. It suggests the person is not one to drive in the manner I described in my original post. Mine settles down within one minute anyway.
I guess for a definitve answer, someone could write LR |
muskyman
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 09:31 am: |
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it all depends on what cold is
people that dont warm up in truley cold climates end up with motors dying a early death from repeated oil starvation.
we have a home in northern wisconsin,I have a friend that owns a local service center up there and all winter long he does engine swaps from people with rod failures.
he tells everbody to use synthetic oil and warm up .standard oil no matter the weight is like molasses under 0* it appears to have oil pressure but that is not through out the block only pump filter and bypass(where the sensor is) has oil. the lifters ,crank, and rod journals end up getting starved.
I grew up in wisconsin and have woke up to hundreds of mornings below 0* and getting in and driving the way you need to in todays fast paced traffic with a dead cold motor is just stupid! |
TPH (Snowman)
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 10:00 am: |
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I warm up my car at least 10-15 minutes or longer in the winter. It's always much warmer than my house when I get in it. I choose to save energy in my home heating processes, which where I live is about equal to my vehicle fuel bill per year, about $1300.00 How do you guys compare?
It's funny no one seems to bitch in the media when 5000-6000 square foot homes are built for a family of 3-4 people, as long as they drive a fuel efficient car. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 10:04 am: |
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good point snowman
a city buss will belch out more soot in a day then a car will in a year, but yet they drive up and down the streets in many cities with 2 or 3 riders on them?
thom |
Alex Cabrera (Alexcabrera)
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 12:46 pm: |
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I'll chime in.
Maybe a wrong perspective but anyhow.
The engine is a machine. The human body is a machine.
Haven't you folks seen Million Dollar Stars (NBA) warm up before a game. You just don't jump cold into playing a basketball/ soccer game. Same with a vehicle.
I keep the cars in the garage so they aren't that cold in the winter but do let it warm up about 5 minutes before driving. Summer time .. maybe a few seconds. Georgia heat. |
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