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R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 08:41 pm: | 
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I got new plugs, went to put them in tonight. Never did it on the Discovery before, so it took me about 15 minutes to do the passenger side - no problems. Then I go to the drivers side and CANNOT get the lead off the plugs, none of them on the drivers side will come off the plugs!
At first I thought it was just that I was pulling at the wrong angle or something, checked myself, made sure I wasn't twisting or bending the lead. CANNOT GET THEM OFF! The rubber shield on the lead is all stretched and I am afraid I may be ruining the leads.
Is this normal? Will I need to replace my leads after wrenching them off the plugs? If so, where can I get the Magnacores everyone talks about? G.I. Joes? NAPA? I am in Portland, need to drive to work tomorrow. Should I drive it with only half the plugs changed, and a questionable lead?
The simple operation meltdown!!!!
503-307-2536
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William T
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 09:24 pm: |
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I would definitely not drive like that. If you drive with the plugs changed on one side, the difference in combustion rate may cause an imbalance problem that may cause damage to your crankshaft. I know a mechanic who repaired a car that had this problem. It warped the crankshaft and ruined the journal bearings. The bottom end of the engine had to be totally rebuilt. |
todd slater (Toddslater)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 10:11 pm: |
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William...quit smokin that funny stuff :0
RB, get new wires and trash the old ones...put a healty schmootzing of dielectric grease in the boots when installing them. Crank shaft... journal bearings ....what will they think of next |
R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 10:55 pm: |
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What are journal bearings?
Anyway, right now, no driving...
But what do I do NOW, between 8:12pm and 6:00am when I have to go to work! |
William T
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 11:02 pm: |
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Journal bearings are the bearings between the crankshaft and connecting rods. The connecting rods connect the pistons to the crankshaft. I would not drive your rover at all with this problem. The journal bearings in all engines is of the sleeve bearing type and thus are very succeptable to heat and angular misalignment. With the possibility of a warped crankshaft (heat and misalignment), this could ultimately ruin your engine. In the mean time, I would either ride your bike to work tomorrow or find a friend to give you a ride |
OLIVER CLOTHSOFF (Everythingleaks)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 11:23 pm: |
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Have you seen how they put that POS of an engine together from the factory. It wouldn't hurt it anymore than the way the man that hammered the cam valley out with a hammer and chisel did.
I heard a story in our shop of a classic that would break flexplates almost every 25k. At 110K the engine finally let go. When the tech tore it down he found the upper part of the rear main bearing was missing. This car made it 110k with the bearing missing. I don't think a day of driving is going to kill it. |
R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 11:41 pm: |
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OK, I talked to my bro-in-law, an aircraft mechanic. He said that as long as I am not hearing the engine run rough like on 7 cyl., or hearing the lead pop, but not spark the plug, or if I am not hearing interference on the AM radio, it should be OK to drive - but to fix the problem soon. That is what I am going to do.
My question is where do I get leads for the Disco other than at the LR dealer? I would like to get the Magna-whatevers that everyone seems to like so much. Who sells them? |
muskyman
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 11:51 pm: |
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drive it all you like it wont do a bit of damage
i change my plugs in my cars all the time ,over the years there has been a dozen times the wife walked out and said go get milk,pick up the kid...ect ect...and I drove away with only some of the plugs changed.
never hurt anything
RB go get a plug boot puller at a part store its a handy tool designed to pull the boots off from down low so you dont destroy them...$20 tops
or take Todds advise if they are sticking that bad the botts could be getting old . these things have the most shit wires on them. the guys at magnecore just told me they are some of the worst they have seen on average(they test bad ones if you send them in)
thom |
R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 12:26 am: |
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Thanks, I tested the truck, starts and runs fine. Obviously firing all 8. It is a little wavery in the RPMs, and has a knocking sound, but it is by no means a destructive sound, and the check engine light is not on. I think my wife will take the truck tomorrow though - because I drive 30 miles, she drives 1.6!
I will buy new leads tomorrow however. I will be going to LR if I have to, but I would like to get Magnacore 8mm's if I could find them in town. By the way Magnacore has an internet special 30% off for Land Rover owners - no kidding! But I cannot find a distributor list for their products.
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Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 08:44 am: |
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R.B.:
I went through several sets of wires that were supposed to fit the Rover. Don't screw around, go buy the Magnecors, you'll be pleased.
To keep this from happening again, and also improve your ability to get your truck wet, gush some dielectric grease in the boots. It will help keep water out and it will make it somewhat easier to remove the boots in the future. Do the same at the distributor (or coil pack) end.
Paul
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Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 09:34 am: |
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Check out this long ass link.
http://buy.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?P65=yes&qt=1&tool=all&INV_ONHAND=&FREIGHT=&qty=1&Item_id=10802&PartNo=YA824B&Price=14.69&ListPrice=14.69&FORMNAME=3&Desc=Pliers%2C+Spark+Plug+Boot&SUB_Cat_ID=1371025&SUB_Cat_NAME=Boot+Pliers&Cat_ID=1371023&Cat_NAME=Spark+Plug&group_id=1351&group_NAME=Boot+Pliers&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog |
muskyman
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 09:57 am: |
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yep thats the beast....buy one and take 10min off every spark plug change for the rest of your life
it also is the best tool for putting them back on in tight quarters
man thats cheap for anything Snap-on too |
perroneford
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 10:25 am: |
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Why didn't anyone point this guy to the Magnecor site?
http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/specialoffers/offers-rover.htm
You can't get these "in town" man. You have to order them. Until you get them, jsut keep the ones you have. It'll only take a few days.
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todd slater (Toddslater)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 10:59 am: |
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Shoot...now I is cornfused...nuttin against magnecor...but couldn't a fella just order up some nice and fancy universal wires from Summit Racing, maybe the purdy red ones, cut'em and fit'em ? Or has LR somehow made a buick motor...well...special ? The only dog around my house that is special in plug wire way is the old 911. Long ceramic boot dodads. I am however, afeared when I think of how in the hell I'ma gonna put wires on the D2...gnomes I think. |
R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 11:35 am: |
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Thanks, I know Magnacor doesn't REALLY sell them in town, I am just hoping that someone in the Rover community - Ship's, Northwestautoparts, or that other shop in SE has them. If I can't find them today, I am ordering them directly from Magnacor tonight. I just don't want to drive the truck with a busted up wire and half-n-half plugs.
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PaulLong
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 11:53 am: |
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RB; The problem with all the wires on the drivers side is that the drivers weight is always on that side! That makes it work harder on that side of the engine. Everyone knows that! Now tell your wife you need a winch to pull your plug wires off. She'll understand. |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 12:09 pm: |
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you really think you can put together a set of universal wires with the same quality and accuracy as the store bought versions?
i can dso some nice soldering and crimping but it seems like you'd need some special tools and practice before you can get it as nice as an automated process.
rd |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 12:12 pm: |
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Todd,
Sure, you could cut your own, but.... when you can get Magnecors for less than the dealer asks for genuine ones, they're already cut to length, well made, and guaranteed.... shipped to your house straight from the maker, no middleman, why not?
IMHO, FWIW....
-L |
Greg Hirst (Gregh)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 12:13 pm: |
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RB-The magnecor's are great but if you need them now (like I did) just go to your local speed shop and buy a set of 8mm MSD Heli-Core's (universal fit). I can't remember but I think I had to cut-and-fit but IMHO they're equiv to the Magnecor's and weren't expensive.
GregH |
Todd Juneau (Toddxd)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 12:16 pm: |
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I just installed a new set of NGK's and 8mm wires I ordered from Nathan at DiscountRovers. They work great and I noticed an immediate difference. |
Greg Hirst (Gregh)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 12:19 pm: |
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RB-BTW, Use the dielectric grease! It'll definitely save your boots.
Rob-MSD supplies a special crimping and fitting tool that allows you to have the same quality as factory. (At least I couldn't see a difference bet |
Greg Hirst (Gregh)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 12:22 pm: |
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Hmmm...Somehow my posting was cut off. I typed: (At least I couldn't see a difference between my ends and factory)  |
R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 12:23 pm: |
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Ya, a winch! That would be great, thanks for the advice! A winch would probably fix my oil leaks too hu?
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todd slater (Toddslater)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 01:58 pm: |
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No No No..winch, lift, and lockers would be necessary for oil leaks |
Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 02:11 pm: |
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Rob,
sure you can put together a plug wire at home with just as good quality as a store-bought thing.
You will need a quality crimper, however, to the tune of $70. I've replaced four sets of plug wires on four V8s, and if I ordered bulk wire from MSD, few bags of boots and terminals, and the crimper, I'd be ahead of the game now.
Peter |
R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 11:55 pm: |
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Keep letting me know when you guys go, I will show up one of these times. In fact, tomorrow would be perfect, but I already made plans with some people to go to the auto show.
Post or send me a review of where you go, maps, GPS data, etc. |
GregH
| | Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 02:28 am: |
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Rob/Peter-With the universal-fit 8mm MSD Heli-Core's the crimping and measuring tool comes included for free.
GregH |
thom mathie (Muskyman)
| | Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 10:33 am: |
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i have bought a buncha sets of wires over the years MSD, jacobs,cheapies,oem...ect ect
the cut strip and crimp ones even with my nice crimping tool are a waste of money
arent you trying to get the best quality you can?
the guys at jacobs once told me that there tests showed that customers assembling there wires even with there patented no crimp system ended up with bad wires in about 1 out of 20 or so wires! thats why they say measure the old ones and they will custom do them for no extra charge.
I always feel that anything other then a factory crimped wire is suspect,sripping them bending them back then crimping them then forcing the boot down over it just has to many steps to get it right every time for someone that dosent do it for a living IMHO so why risk it when you can get Magnecors for 30% off straight from them??
I just put some on and they are top notch in my opinion,the coil core really gives alot of contact to the HEAVY guage crimp connectors...good product!...and I had them in one day ground service!!!
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GregH
| | Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 11:45 am: |
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Thom-I prefer the magnecor's for $60 myself. That said, the $10 savings for the MSD universal isn't worth the hassle unless you need them NOW (which I did, and was the focus of the question above).
I've put together quite a few universal sets (accel, jacobs, mallory, MSD, etc.)over the years myself and would agree that probably most people screw them up. However, the little tool supplied with the MSD set impressed me and I was able to make what I consider to be very good crimp connections with it. It does take more time than I normally want to just to put wires on the vehicle so I would go with magnecors if I ordered them in advance (esp. for the $60 they charge for my RRC). |
R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
| | Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 12:03 pm: |
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I went ahead and ordered the Magnacor, I could not find any in town, could not find any other "good" set of wires that would fit a Discovery in town, and even the Land Rover Dealer in Portland didn't have any originals.
So, I won't drive the truck very much for the next few days while I wait for my UPS package!
I am glad that I am going with the best though.
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muskyman
| | Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 01:18 pm: |
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Greg,
I wasent bashing you by any means ,or your opinion I have used old wires off other vehicles sitting around in a pinch a number of times. You do what you gotta do in a pinch.
I was just saying that in a expensive vehicle that is known for tempermental ignition wires going with a proven wire is the way to go. I have been a jacobs fan for a long time ,but I gotta say Magnacor has a really solid product from what I have seen.
thom |
todd slater (Toddslater)
| | Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 01:29 pm: |
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thom,
I am of the MSD bend myself, some of the best ign components I've installed ...and they way I look at it...if I can't make up a set of wires without screwing it up...I'll know it's time to hang up the wrenches. However, I do understand the ease and convenience...especially if the cost is basically a wash. Work smarter not harder etc.... |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 05:47 pm: |
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electrics and wrenches.. i dont see the connection.
rd |
GregH
| | Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 08:16 pm: |
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Funny story, Thom-
I was planning to get Magnecor's myself(have used them on other vehicles) but was stuck when a year ago I was replacing all the belts and took the dist and jacobs wires off to get to adjust nut for steering pump. I went inside for lunch and meanwhile my doberman got in the garage and used the wires for a chew toy.
It was weekend and I needed truck Monday morning. Of course I had just thrown out some old Lucas wires. Thus the MSD's and have had no probs.
GregH |
muskyman
| | Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 08:46 pm: |
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greg,
that would truley test jacobs unconditional 100% replacement warrentee!
thom |
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